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No I certainly would not condemn the Donegal player in that instance. Why would I? Some decisions go for your team some go against. The refs have a tough job. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13709 - 07/08/2017 11:50:35 2030155 Link 0 |
All counties have had players who've done something similar and we've all been embarrassed by it. Supporters need to stop being so tribal when these things happen, admit it's not nice to see and move on. Nobody wants to see theatrics and exaggeration become a regular part of our game. I remember Michael Lundy throwing himself on the ground holding his face near the end of the All Ireland club final against Slaughtneil a few years ago, after the Derry lad tried to slap the ball out of his hand to take a free. It wasn't his proudest moment and I haven't seen him do anything like it since. Phrases like 'entitled to go down' sound like what soccer pundits say when players dive to win penalties. The only way to stop this spreading is to call it out as it happens. It has to be culturally unacceptable. It rarely happens in hurling because there's a certain expectation of players. They would be castigated for such behaviour. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2043 - 07/08/2017 12:00:22 2030167 Link 3 |
It's true that Dublin don't have a history of diving, that and the football they play is why they have been enjoyable to watch. That's why Coopers antics Saturday were so disappointing to see. It didn't end with the play-acting either, for the next couple of minutes he tried to goad McManus into another reaction to get him a second yellow.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 07/08/2017 12:13:11 2030173 Link 1 |
Yeah he def made the most of it jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 07/08/2017 12:41:40 2030187 Link 0 |
No doubt he stayed down and played up on it. But at the same time he was caught high. No point in fellas trying to make out that he wasn't. It was a high and dangerous arm from McManus. He didn't even complain with the ref. A nothing incident at the end of the day.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 07/08/2017 12:59:33 2030197 Link 1 |
Exactly, and the same thing happened with the Connolly incident, Dublin were coasting and had the game won, an incident like this could end up costing Dublin in the semi final or final, it's a flaw in character and in a tight game it could prove costly, I hate diving and 'simulation' as they call it in soccer, and if I hear some RTE commentator mention the word 'contact' the telly won't be safe!!
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2749 - 07/08/2017 13:48:02 2030222 Link 1 |
Pretty balanced post Clon. Every team has had incidents where their players have dived. Jonny Cooper was involved in the league against Tyrone where he got Mark Bradley sent off for very little. Bradley did react but Cooper hit the deck very easily. Maybe getting a name for himself for that kind of thing. (Cue Dubs highlighting every Tyrone incident over the last 20 years, stick to the topic and title of thread). The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 07/08/2017 14:20:36 2030234 Link 1 |
Not sure what you're trying to get out of this thread. You can't complain if a player goes down having been hit around the head, and he was as you say. It was a head high tackle. Do you agree? Yes Cooper got some mileage out of it but it was a dangerous high arm. Yes?
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 07/08/2017 14:31:11 2030244 Link 1 |
It was a clear dive. Its not only confined to football, jake dillon of waterford is a master of this dark art tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 07/08/2017 14:32:41 2030247 Link 0 |
Did he dive? No. Did he make the most of it? Ya. Yellow for both as for me he initiated it. End of story. Stan.D.Hogan (Galway) - Posts: 152 - 07/08/2017 14:34:44 2030250 Link 3 |
God knows but they wouldn't be short of incidents now would they.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 07/08/2017 14:35:39 2030253 Link 2 |
Getting back to the incident itself I don't think Cooper dived, it looked to me like McManus clipped Cooper on the head with his elbow, it didn't look like much but watching Barrett the Mayo no 6 on today's match he was bleeding after what looked like an equally harmless clash updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 817 - 07/08/2017 14:38:48 2030256 Link 2 |
So you are saying that he dived but Dublin never dive.....well which is it can't be both. As for saying Dublin deserve benefit of the doubt more so than any other team, unless you're just trying to get a rise out of someone that's the type of entitled bs that's typical of an element of Dublin fans nowadays and winds other supporters up so much
benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 07/08/2017 14:43:11 2030258 Link 0 |
No I know McManus played on after the whistle but he probably thought the ref whistled for the mark. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 07/08/2017 14:45:27 2030260 Link 2 |
There's a few incidents we'd rather forget that's for sure. That goes for your boys too. There's no team that doesn't have a few incidents they'd rather forget. And Johnny and Dermo and Philly and others in this Dublin side show time and again that is the case for all teams.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 07/08/2017 14:55:37 2030269 Link 0 |
Stick to this incident, Fridge :-)
dubdec99 (Dublin) - Posts: 180 - 07/08/2017 14:57:35 2030271 Link 1 |
They certainly do but some lads from one of those counties just love to highlight these things with no little irony involved. I'm from Iowa by the way. Have a nice day now !
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 07/08/2017 15:09:57 2030283 Link 1 |
To answer the question - yes he did dive in my opinion. Jonny followed through after the kick was taken and Jonny had plenty of time and space to stop his follow through on to McManus. He decided to keep going and ran into McManus. He got a small clip and decided to stay down. That is my view. I don't think he would be proud of that particular incident. carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 07/08/2017 15:10:10 2030284 Link 1 |
What do you want me to say then ? What exactly are you looking for? I've said he dived wtf more can I say? Obviously we've dived in this situation but we haven't dived before or play act , if we have I can't remember. A player playing today did an obvious dive but there won't be a word about it but if a Dublin player does anything against the rules there's threads set up ffs
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 07/08/2017 15:27:34 2030302 Link 3 |
Do all players who may/ may not have dived get a full thread or is this just another Dublin thing? IE, could this not have a been a point made on the Dublin- Monaghan thread? Was it so unique or outrageous that it needed such scrutiny? poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 07/08/2017 15:48:00 2030329 Link 1 |