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Did Jonny Cooper dive?

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Replying To Soma:  "So you had no problem with the Donegal player who faked injury in 2011 to get Connolly sent off? You accepted back then that all counties do it and so there was no point condemning the Donegal player? It's a real stain on the game and despite what you say it's not very often that players lie down pretending to be injured when they have barely been touched. Usually the reason for doing it is to try and con the referee into sending your opponent off which is a despicable thing to do. We are constantly reminded by players about their sacrifices so why they think it's acceptable to get an opponent wrongly sent off when they have made the very same sacrifices is beyond me."
No I certainly would not condemn the Donegal player in that instance.

Why would I?

Some decisions go for your team some go against.

The refs have a tough job.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13709 - 07/08/2017 11:50:35    2030155

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Replying To Joxer:  "Just saw it again myself. Was he caught at speed by an arm from McManus to the head area? It's clear that he was and was entitled to go down. It was a clear yellow card offence. He seemed genuinely shook and still down for a while after the card was issued. This was no hair toss issue. Mountain out of a mole hill."
All counties have had players who've done something similar and we've all been embarrassed by it. Supporters need to stop being so tribal when these things happen, admit it's not nice to see and move on. Nobody wants to see theatrics and exaggeration become a regular part of our game.
I remember Michael Lundy throwing himself on the ground holding his face near the end of the All Ireland club final against Slaughtneil a few years ago, after the Derry lad tried to slap the ball out of his hand to take a free.
It wasn't his proudest moment and I haven't seen him do anything like it since.
Phrases like 'entitled to go down' sound like what soccer pundits say when players dive to win penalties. The only way to stop this spreading is to call it out as it happens. It has to be culturally unacceptable. It rarely happens in hurling because there's a certain expectation of players. They would be castigated for such behaviour.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2043 - 07/08/2017 12:00:22    2030167

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "We rarely dive if ever and as usual it's a massive talking point ,our players are watched so closely on here it's ridiculous yes he dived and embarrassed himself but it was a one off and if any team should be given the benefit of doubt it should be Dublin cause we very rarely if ever dive. Yes this Dublin team is far from angels but I'd like to think that diving and play acting is one thing this Dublin never does."
It's true that Dublin don't have a history of diving, that and the football they play is why they have been enjoyable to watch. That's why Coopers antics Saturday were so disappointing to see. It didn't end with the play-acting either, for the next couple of minutes he tried to goad McManus into another reaction to get him a second yellow.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 07/08/2017 12:13:11    2030173

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Yeah he def made the most of it

It's not what we like to see but it happens a lot across games

But sure he was being praised back in 2013 for having the sportsmanship to go to Hennelly after the final whistle. So I'd give him the benefit of the doubt

But there was no need for it. McManus was completely bossed from start to finish and Dublin were enjoying a healthy winning margin

Ah well. No need for it alright but sure it's common place across a lot of games. I look forward to the many hundreds of threads backing up this one when other players make the most of it ... ;)

On we go.. Good to see that this is the only talking point :)

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 07/08/2017 12:41:40    2030187

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "All counties have had players who've done something similar and we've all been embarrassed by it. Supporters need to stop being so tribal when these things happen, admit it's not nice to see and move on. Nobody wants to see theatrics and exaggeration become a regular part of our game.
I remember Michael Lundy throwing himself on the ground holding his face near the end of the All Ireland club final against Slaughtneil a few years ago, after the Derry lad tried to slap the ball out of his hand to take a free.
It wasn't his proudest moment and I haven't seen him do anything like it since.
Phrases like 'entitled to go down' sound like what soccer pundits say when players dive to win penalties. The only way to stop this spreading is to call it out as it happens. It has to be culturally unacceptable. It rarely happens in hurling because there's a certain expectation of players. They would be castigated for such behaviour."
No doubt he stayed down and played up on it. But at the same time he was caught high. No point in fellas trying to make out that he wasn't. It was a high and dangerous arm from McManus. He didn't even complain with the ref. A nothing incident at the end of the day.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 07/08/2017 12:59:33    2030197

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Why was cooper running at McManus 5 seconds after the whistle had gone anyway?

No I know McManus played on after the whistle but he probably thought the ref whistled for the mark.

But I just don't get why with the dubs up by about 10 points at the time was cooper running so aggressively at McManus like that. And in fairness McManus just swatted cooper away he didn't punch him Or anything ."
Exactly, and the same thing happened with the Connolly incident, Dublin were coasting and had the game won, an incident like this could end up costing Dublin in the semi final or final, it's a flaw in character and in a tight game it could prove costly, I hate diving and 'simulation' as they call it in soccer, and if I hear some RTE commentator mention the word 'contact' the telly won't be safe!!

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2749 - 07/08/2017 13:48:02    2030222

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "We rarely dive if ever and as usual it's a massive talking point ,our players are watched so closely on here it's ridiculous yes he dived and embarrassed himself but it was a one off and if any team should be given the benefit of doubt it should be Dublin cause we very rarely if ever dive. Yes this Dublin team is far from angels but I'd like to think that diving and play acting is one thing this Dublin never does."
Pretty balanced post Clon. Every team has had incidents where their players have dived.
Jonny Cooper was involved in the league against Tyrone where he got Mark Bradley sent off for very little. Bradley did react but Cooper hit the deck very easily. Maybe getting a name for himself for that kind of thing. (Cue Dubs highlighting every Tyrone incident over the last 20 years, stick to the topic and title of thread).

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 07/08/2017 14:20:36    2030234

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Pretty balanced post Clon. Every team has had incidents where their players have dived.
Jonny Cooper was involved in the league against Tyrone where he got Mark Bradley sent off for very little. Bradley did react but Cooper hit the deck very easily. Maybe getting a name for himself for that kind of thing. (Cue Dubs highlighting every Tyrone incident over the last 20 years, stick to the topic and title of thread)."
Not sure what you're trying to get out of this thread. You can't complain if a player goes down having been hit around the head, and he was as you say. It was a head high tackle. Do you agree? Yes Cooper got some mileage out of it but it was a dangerous high arm. Yes?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 07/08/2017 14:31:11    2030244

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It was a clear dive. Its not only confined to football, jake dillon of waterford is a master of this dark art

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 07/08/2017 14:32:41    2030247

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Did he dive? No. Did he make the most of it? Ya. Yellow for both as for me he initiated it. End of story.

Stan.D.Hogan (Galway) - Posts: 152 - 07/08/2017 14:34:44    2030250

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Pretty balanced post Clon. Every team has had incidents where their players have dived.
Jonny Cooper was involved in the league against Tyrone where he got Mark Bradley sent off for very little. Bradley did react but Cooper hit the deck very easily. Maybe getting a name for himself for that kind of thing. (Cue Dubs highlighting every Tyrone incident over the last 20 years, stick to the topic and title of thread)."
God knows but they wouldn't be short of incidents now would they.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 07/08/2017 14:35:39    2030253

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Getting back to the incident itself I don't think Cooper dived, it looked to me like McManus clipped Cooper on the head with his elbow, it didn't look like much but watching Barrett the Mayo no 6 on today's match he was bleeding after what looked like an equally harmless clash

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 817 - 07/08/2017 14:38:48    2030256

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "We rarely dive if ever and as usual it's a massive talking point ,our players are watched so closely on here it's ridiculous yes he dived and embarrassed himself but it was a one off and if any team should be given the benefit of doubt it should be Dublin cause we very rarely if ever dive. Yes this Dublin team is far from angels but I'd like to think that diving and play acting is one thing this Dublin never does."
So you are saying that he dived but Dublin never dive.....well which is it can't be both. As for saying Dublin deserve benefit of the doubt more so than any other team, unless you're just trying to get a rise out of someone that's the type of entitled bs that's typical of an element of Dublin fans nowadays and winds other supporters up so much

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 07/08/2017 14:43:11    2030258

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No I know McManus played on after the whistle but he probably thought the ref whistled for the mark.
WHAT MARK ?

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 07/08/2017 14:45:27    2030260

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Replying To catch22:  "God knows but they wouldn't be short of incidents now would they."
There's a few incidents we'd rather forget that's for sure. That goes for your boys too. There's no team that doesn't have a few incidents they'd rather forget. And Johnny and Dermo and Philly and others in this Dublin side show time and again that is the case for all teams.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 07/08/2017 14:55:37    2030269

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Pretty balanced post Clon. Every team has had incidents where their players have dived.
Jonny Cooper was involved in the league against Tyrone where he got Mark Bradley sent off for very little. Bradley did react but Cooper hit the deck very easily. Maybe getting a name for himself for that kind of thing. (Cue Dubs highlighting every Tyrone incident over the last 20 years, stick to the topic and title of thread)."
Stick to this incident, Fridge :-)

dubdec99 (Dublin) - Posts: 180 - 07/08/2017 14:57:35    2030271

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Replying To seanie_boy:  "There's a few incidents we'd rather forget that's for sure. That goes for your boys too. There's no team that doesn't have a few incidents they'd rather forget. And Johnny and Dermo and Philly and others in this Dublin side show time and again that is the case for all teams."
They certainly do but some lads from one of those counties just love to highlight these things with no little irony involved. I'm from Iowa by the way. Have a nice day now !

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 07/08/2017 15:09:57    2030283

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To answer the question - yes he did dive in my opinion. Jonny followed through after the kick was taken and Jonny had plenty of time and space to stop his follow through on to McManus. He decided to keep going and ran into McManus. He got a small clip and decided to stay down. That is my view. I don't think he would be proud of that particular incident.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 07/08/2017 15:10:10    2030284

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Replying To benched:  "So you are saying that he dived but Dublin never dive.....well which is it can't be both. As for saying Dublin deserve benefit of the doubt more so than any other team, unless you're just trying to get a rise out of someone that's the type of entitled bs that's typical of an element of Dublin fans nowadays and winds other supporters up so much"
What do you want me to say then ? What exactly are you looking for? I've said he dived wtf more can I say? Obviously we've dived in this situation but we haven't dived before or play act , if we have I can't remember. A player playing today did an obvious dive but there won't be a word about it but if a Dublin player does anything against the rules there's threads set up ffs

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 07/08/2017 15:27:34    2030302

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Do all players who may/ may not have dived get a full thread or is this just another Dublin thing? IE, could this not have a been a point made on the Dublin- Monaghan thread? Was it so unique or outrageous that it needed such scrutiny?

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 07/08/2017 15:48:00    2030329

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