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Thats enough now lads of bringing back them dark days-)
KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 03/08/2017 16:19:40 2028485 Link 0 |
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Alright Greengrass. How is she cutting? Ah yep keep them on the toes just before the long bank holiday weekend.
OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 03/08/2017 16:32:19 2028494 Link 1 |
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Even a darker day was the 2001 All Ireland football semi-final. Was that Kerry's heaviest ever championship defeat?
OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 03/08/2017 16:34:51 2028495 Link 1 |
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Down 2010???
jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 03/08/2017 17:00:24 2028505 Link 0 |
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That point has been answered . A teams run through its province is irrelevant when it comes to the winning of an All Ireland . In order to win an All Ireland a team has always had to beat the best the rest of the country can offer . The day(s) of reckoning will always come . Kerry have won 37 All Irelands and have been runners up 22 times. Your point when it comes to the actual winning of All Irelands is superfluous.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 03/08/2017 17:27:15 2028519 Link 0 |
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The more difficult the competition the more likely hood of different winners and the more games you have to play the more chance you have of being beaten or picking up injuries or just fatigue in a shorter period of time than teams that don't have the same competition so there's no doubt it's far better to go the short route and that favours some better that others. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 03/08/2017 17:59:01 2028536 Link 0 |
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Kerry kept a lid on the Dubs from 1978 - 2010, However, once the volcano blew in 2011, that was that. Dubs remind me of Fergie's Man U, kept down from 1968 - 1992 by Liverpool, Leeds, Arsenal, Forest etc, but once the volcano blew in 1993, an era of serious dominance started, same with Dubs. The difference between Man U and the Dubs is that London acts as a counterweight in terms of resources, hence teams like Chelsea and Arsenal could challenge Man U, however there is no counterweight to Dublin in Ireland. Kerry will win All Ireland's in the future, but I feel they might be a little less frequent than they were used o in the past. The future is indeed Sky Blue, and that 37 to 25 senior All Ireland roll of honour could close over the next 25 years or so festy_o_semtex (UK) - Posts: 67 - 03/08/2017 18:05:42 2028541 Link 0 |
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Lets look at Munster vs Ulster in the Championship during the era of Kerry's golden years and Cork's as well TheNatural (Kerry) - Posts: 8 - 03/08/2017 18:10:50 2028544 Link 0 |
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The Bomber in flying form. Kerry had to peak 3 times (they only had to play 4) to win an All-Ireland in the good auld days!!! jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 03/08/2017 18:13:10 2028547 Link 2 |
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In order to win an All Ireland a team has always had to beat the best the rest of the country can offer... Thats not always the case there is many cases were a team has been knocked out in there province with no back door that would have been good enough to potentially go all the way. Derry in 94 were beaten by Down i have often heard it said that if there was a back door back then that they would have met again in the final. Dublin 91 would be similar. jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 03/08/2017 18:22:31 2028552 Link 1 |
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You are still missing the point. As Mc Guinness stated - Kerry have an easy passage very often. AND they play less games than the Ulster sides. Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 03/08/2017 18:58:08 2028565 Link 2 |
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I wouldn't argue with you about Derry in 1994. They were defending champions when they came up against an exceptional Down team. That game was played in Celtic Park . It was a magnificent match . Had there been a back door the two teams may well have met again . The fact is that even with home advantage Derry couldn't beat Down . In terms of quality I don't believe that Dublin in '91 were as good as Derry or Down . Dublin if '91 would not have beaten Down of '91.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 03/08/2017 19:18:50 2028572 Link 0 |
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But surely that the point of course they will always be in the advanced stages of the championship to be best because the provincial pathway is easier. The comments about underage are similar, those teams still come out of Munster and the make up is the same isn't that a point. I wouldn't disputed Kerry produce very good teams and wonderful players, thus that level of quality is just weighted against anything else in Munster due to its culture with hurling and make up. It's quite a launchpad and not equitable based on the quality Kerry produce. It's not Kerrys problem, the have and will continue to take any advantage. But there are losers Ulster and Connacht teams that have more compeitive Championships, who it's significantly more difficult to win an all Ireland. Leinster in modern terms is the same as Munster. What I would say though since Leinster has become a stroll for Dublin, they have clearly been the best team in the country, so one could can argue that when another county is handed as similar Provincal launchpad, Kerry haven't thus far been able to better that county in the championship or bring home an all Ireland in match ups against them. What that says about easy routes through the provinces in preparation for August and Sep football and the historic advantage Munster had given, is open for opinions to be drawn. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 03/08/2017 19:42:06 2028580 Link 2 |
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Its a joint heaviest championship defeat Ollie, not half as bad as losing to Cork in the Munster final of 1990 by the same margin. However Kildare did give us a pasting in the league in 1958. 3-10 to 1-0. So I think thats our heaviest competitve defeat so far and it better stay that way!!-) KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 03/08/2017 19:46:42 2028582 Link 0 |
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And there would have been shedloads of Kerry Cork finals in the 70s and 80s when Cork we're the 2nd best team in the country and had the misfortune of being stuck with the best TheNatural (Kerry) - Posts: 8 - 03/08/2017 19:46:46 2028583 Link 1 |
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Do you think for a second Dublin would swap their funding, population, home advantage and easy Leinster Championship for the Munster Championship without all those incredible advantages
TheNatural (Kerry) - Posts: 8 - 03/08/2017 20:43:04 2028608 Link 0 |
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Why? Leinster is about the same these days.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 03/08/2017 21:13:19 2028628 Link 0 |
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Yes Kerry have some easy runs, like 1980 - only 3 matches, lack of competition in Munster, for the most part, Clare, Tipp and waterford are and were weak... but this doesn't answer the question, - cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 03/08/2017 21:35:09 2028635 Link 0 |
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Sorry to be picky but I can't have you misquoting Basil... He was saying to Sybil she should go on mastermind, special subject the bleeding obvious.
Beacaire Gorm (Dublin) - Posts: 597 - 03/08/2017 22:11:48 2028648 Link 1 |
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Exactly and Galway hurling who have 4 Liam Mac's despite having a bye to the Semi Finals up until 2001 and QF's after that until 2012 when they joined Leinster when they have made 2 AI Finals in that short time and fancied to make it a 3rd this year and win it for the first time since 1988
TheNatural (Kerry) - Posts: 8 - 03/08/2017 22:44:57 2028664 Link 0 |