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Replying To Cavan_Slasher: "There is no point in posters trying to deflect by talking about this year's C/ship and this year's easy runs. Kerry have it east ALL the time. They won All Irelands by winning 4 games in the past, two of them relatively easy. Ulster teams have quite commonly had to win 4 games just to get out of the province and sometimes 4 hard games. Tyrone had to beat Derry, Donegal and Down this year without having to play a preliminary round. None of those teams is ever easy and all have to potential to beat any other Ulster team even when not to the fore." We've won 20 league titles can you explain that one? KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 02/08/2017 19:32:38 2028056 Link
Replying To Cavan_Slasher: "I was saying that Donegal, Derry and Down hadn't the ability to beat Tyrone either. You seem to have read it wrong which makes the rest of your post unnecessary." The point I was making was that throughout the history of Gaelic football Derry, Donegal and Down were rarely good enough to beat Kerry. They have often been good enough to beat Tyrone and have done so. The rest of my post is highly relevant. It states the facts as they are. Ultimately for any team to win an All Ireland they have to beat the best teams. Kerry have done that 37 times because they are the best football county in the land. Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 02/08/2017 19:38:28 2028057 Link
Replying To Greengrass: "The point I was making was that throughout the history of Gaelic football Derry, Donegal and Down were rarely good enough to beat Kerry. They have often been good enough to beat Tyrone and have done so. The rest of my post is highly relevant. It states the facts as they are. Ultimately for any team to win an All Ireland they have to beat the best teams. Kerry have done that 37 times because they are the best football county in the land." Yet they have won All Irelands by only beating 4 teams inc two easy matches ?? How is that not easier than say Tyrone having to play 6? Kerry got more time to prepare and less games to get injured in too. Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 02/08/2017 20:18:22 2028073 Link
Replying To Cavan_Slasher: "Yet they have won All Irelands by only beating 4 teams inc two easy matches ?? How is that not easier than say Tyrone having to play 6? Kerry got more time to prepare and less games to get injured in too." They have won it playing both systems as have Tyrone. Kerry have won All Irelands through the back door. They are the only county who have yet to lose a qualifier. It's time for you to acknowledge that the reason they are the most successful football county is because they are the best football county . Look back through history. Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 02/08/2017 20:48:05 2028090 Link
It's not really about Kerry nor is it their problem, they will think their success is justified, almost everyone else will always have that caveat of stars all Irelands and never the train will meet. Leinster is quickly going the same way albeit with extra games and a hope in Kildare developing. It's really Ulster I feel sorry for and to a lessor extent Connaught which has been brilliantly compeitive this year. I know lads on here say, the best team always wins the all Ireland I'm not so sure it does every year. Broadly having two poor quality provinces, detracts from the actual achievement of an All Ireland in my opinion. But also stacks the deck against some great football teams not winning all Irelands. If you are an Ulster or Connaught player you will have a tougher time winning an all Ireland then a Leinster or Munster man. That's a frank broad view on the championship and fairness not nevessarilly a comment on Kerry. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 02/08/2017 21:02:10 2028093 Link
Replying To Cavan_Slasher: "Yet they have won All Irelands by only beating 4 teams inc two easy matches ?? How is that not easier than say Tyrone having to play 6? Kerry got more time to prepare and less games to get injured in too." If Cavan had to play 4 games this year to win Sam would you have done it? You still have to be good enough, no such thing as a easy All Ireland. westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 02/08/2017 21:55:38 2028131 Link
Replying To Greengrass: "They have won it playing both systems as have Tyrone. Kerry have won All Irelands through the back door. They are the only county who have yet to lose a qualifier. It's time for you to acknowledge that the reason they are the most successful football county is because they are the best football county . Look back through history." There is no question that they were the best. The question was on how easy their route is and was. Less games - less chance of slip-up - and easier opposition. Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 02/08/2017 22:04:53 2028135 Link
Replying To Cavan_Slasher: "Jim Mc Guinness has it right. Kerry have an easy path every year and don't be tested until very late in the competition. It is easier for them to prepare and to peak at the right time. I have to agree with Jim on this. Not" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=273841" Not exactly a shot in the dark though is it? To quote Basil Fawlty "a PhD in stating the bleeding obvious". But what do you want Kerry to do about it? Put wheels under their county and go on a Haarlem Globetrotters style tour? They don't make the rules and you can only beat what's in front of you. MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 02/08/2017 22:11:36 2028138 Link
Replying To westkerry: "If Cavan had to play 4 games this year to win Sam would you have done it? You still have to be good enough, no such thing as a easy All Ireland." The point is not about how good a team is but the fact that they have an easier route. AND Cavan haven't won four games this year. Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 02/08/2017 22:17:14 2028142 Link
Replying To MedwayIrish: "Not exactly a shot in the dark though is it? To quote Basil Fawlty "a PhD in stating the bleeding obvious". But what do you want Kerry to do about it? Put wheels under their county and go on a Haarlem Globetrotters style tour? They don't make the rules and you can only beat what's in front of you." Its not up to Kerry to do anything about it. It's up to the GAA to change the system. The point still stands. Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 02/08/2017 22:23:54 2028147 Link
The longer people believe Kerry's success is due to the championship format the longer Kerry's reign as football's most successful county will last. Kerry have by some distance the best club championship arrangement in the country which is a huge help. I also don't know where else a manager who managed his county to 3 senior All-Irelands would go on to manage school and underage county sides afterwards. Let's see if the Super 8 format sees anyone seriously challenge Kerry and Dublin as the big 2, I seriously doubt it. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 02/08/2017 22:46:05 2028168 Link
Replying To Cavan_Slasher: "Its not up to Kerry to do anything about it. It's up to the GAA to change the system. The point still stands." Schools, minor, junior, under 17, Kerry are winning at all these grades. So is that down to structures and easy routes too I suppose? The structures are changing next year but some other excuse will be used then. westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 02/08/2017 23:03:28 2028174 Link
Replying To Cavan_Slasher: "Its not up to Kerry to do anything about it. It's up to the GAA to change the system. The point still stands." Yes, but it sounds like your agenda is to diminish Kerry's multiple titles, which is where your point doesn't really stand. MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 02/08/2017 23:18:39 2028180 Link
What I'd really like to know is what aren't the other counties doing to remain so inconsistent in comparison to the big two? Unless it's down to ley lines or a genuine glut of talent over the years, why has no one even held a candle to these two? MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 02/08/2017 23:38:44 2028190 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "It's not really about Kerry nor is it their problem, they will think their success is justified, almost everyone else will always have that caveat of stars all Irelands and never the train will meet. Leinster is quickly going the same way albeit with extra games and a hope in Kildare developing. It's really Ulster I feel sorry for and to a lessor extent Connaught which has been brilliantly compeitive this year. I know lads on here say, the best team always wins the all Ireland I'm not so sure it does every year. Broadly having two poor quality provinces, detracts from the actual achievement of an All Ireland in my opinion. But also stacks the deck against some great football teams not winning all Irelands. If you are an Ulster or Connaught player you will have a tougher time winning an all Ireland then a Leinster or Munster man. That's a frank broad view on the championship and fairness not nevessarilly a comment on Kerry." Tipp, Cork and Clare are as good as the teams in Connacht TheUsername. Connacht has been competitive this year but you'd have to wonder about the standard. If the champions Roscommon advance to meet Kerry in the semi I'd fear for them, they could get a right hiding. Fair point about Ulster. There is no doubt it is the toughest competition in football by some distance, although Tyrone won it relatively easily this year and look like they may begin to dominate up there. The bottom line is that the standard across the board has fallen dramatically in recent years. The top couple of teams are becoming more professional and leaving the rest way behind. The only real difference is the number of games they have to play to get to The QF stage varies depending on what province you are in. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 02/08/2017 23:58:46 2028195 Link
Replying To Cavan_Slasher: "There is no question that they were the best. The question was on how easy their route is and was. Less games - less chance of slip-up - and easier opposition." Up to the mid fifties Cavan had as many provincial titles as Kerry, yet they had about a quarter of Kerrys All Irelands. Up to then no other Ulster county had won, or ever seriously looked like winning, an All Ireland. By then four different counties had won the major prize in Munster so you could say for at least half the life of the GAA, Kerry had a more difficult route to an All Ireland that any Ulster county. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4342 - 03/08/2017 00:04:28 2028196 Link
Replying To Cavan_Slasher: "Yet they have won All Irelands by only beating 4 teams inc two easy matches ?? How is that not easier than say Tyrone having to play 6? Kerry got more time to prepare and less games to get injured in too." Sooooo factually incorrect statement if you know your championship facts!!!!! Kerry have never beaten Down in championship football. In all their championship meetings (most recent being 2010 Quarter Finals) and including two All Ireland Finals, Down have always beaten Kerry. Thank God Down not in Munster or we'd win nothing!!!!! dingle2 (Kerry) - Posts: 278 - 03/08/2017 00:17:14 2028199 Link
Replying To Cavan_Slasher: "There is no question that they were the best. The question was on how easy their route is and was. Less games - less chance of slip-up - and easier opposition." You could also say that the better you are the less chance of a slip up . There is no such thing as an easy All Ireland . To win it you have to beat the best . That was true in the past and it is true today . The structure of the championship dictates that the day(s) of reckoning will always come . Irrespective of your run through the provincial championship ultimately if you are good enough you will win . Kerry have been good enough 37 times . Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 03/08/2017 00:34:10 2028204 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "We've won 20 league titles can you explain that one?" The bregrudgers can't, just like they won't be able to when it's the Super 8s from next year on and we're still winning All-Ireland's or when they eventually do away with the provinces and replace it with some godforsaken soccer rip off of a competition and we still rack them up. ye can put us on the dark side of the moon and we will still be winning titles. Want to know why? Because WE ARE KERRY! TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 03/08/2017 00:46:39 2028205 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "It's not really about Kerry nor is it their problem, they will think their success is justified, almost everyone else will always have that caveat of stars all Irelands and never the train will meet. Leinster is quickly going the same way albeit with extra games and a hope in Kildare developing. It's really Ulster I feel sorry for and to a lessor extent Connaught which has been brilliantly compeitive this year. I know lads on here say, the best team always wins the all Ireland I'm not so sure it does every year. Broadly having two poor quality provinces, detracts from the actual achievement of an All Ireland in my opinion. But also stacks the deck against some great football teams not winning all Irelands. If you are an Ulster or Connaught player you will have a tougher time winning an all Ireland then a Leinster or Munster man. That's a frank broad view on the championship and fairness not nevessarilly a comment on Kerry." Lots of people are waking up to the fact that Dublins recent success is based on a fair few, caveats as you call them. And they are a far bigger reason for your few titles than any of ours! TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 03/08/2017 00:48:55 2028206 Link