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No love lost between Tyrone and Armagh supporters I see. Tyrone might well be able to suffocate Clarke out of the game but if he were born in Tyrone he would be first name on their team sheet. That's not even debatable. Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 31/07/2017 11:53:22 2026557 Link 2 |
I'm not a Tyrone native by the way - so don't start a fracas between Tyrone and Armagh fans! You actually can have an opinion without a bias.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 31/07/2017 12:14:46 2026579 Link 1 |
Fair enough but it sounded biased. I don't think your comparisons were like for like. Canavan and Marty Clarke played in a different era where there was still plenty of scope for top forwards to dominate their area/man in a weaker team against top opposition. In the last few years it's practically impossible to plough a lone furrow as a forward against a top team. You need help because the same space is not there.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 31/07/2017 12:49:20 2026595 Link 0 |
Marty Clarke's era wasn't too long ago and will into the current blanket defense era.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 31/07/2017 13:37:31 2026631 Link 0 |
Ahead of Mattie Donnelly? I wouldn't have thought so.
Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 31/07/2017 13:56:16 2026643 Link 0 |
Football was still more open and very different so it doesn't matter if it wasn't that long ago. It was a different era.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 31/07/2017 13:58:53 2026647 Link 0 |
Yes Donnelly is a massive player for them but they could still tweak their team around in his absence. IMO they are crying out for a player like Clarke that would give them an extra dimension.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 31/07/2017 14:09:36 2026656 Link 0 |
Sure was puke football not created in 2003?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 31/07/2017 14:21:43 2026666 Link 0 |
Are you actually serious? If you are then you're deluded - if anything it's opened out a lot more now.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 31/07/2017 14:25:30 2026674 Link 0 |
No, you're wrong.
Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 31/07/2017 14:34:51 2026685 Link 0 |
Well let's agree to disagree and leave at that.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 31/07/2017 15:04:25 2026712 Link 0 |
So much for allowing opinions and being non biased! Not many teams deployed massed defense up to 2010. Marty Clarke didn't come up against it too much that year but against Tyrone in Ulster he didn't "carry Down" too well as you put it. In the back door he faced plenty of open teams and had greater influence.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 31/07/2017 15:04:52 2026713 Link 0 |
In 2010, Marty Clarke played behind his own midfield, and sprayed the ball around like a quarterback. He didn't play in attack, as there was far more space to be found in the middle third..
Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 31/07/2017 15:46:05 2026743 Link 0 |
I'm aware of that but it was IrishGael who made the Marty Clarke comparison and said Jamie Clarke couldn't carry a team in the same manner. Of course having Mark Poland and Benny Coulter up front, you could certainly have bigger crosses to bear.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 31/07/2017 15:56:47 2026751 Link 0 |
The expectation that great players never have quiet games is just plain stupid. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 31/07/2017 16:01:56 2026758 Link 1 |
Well last week the hoganstand rated kildare as the 5th best team in ireland and we beat them, we beat tipp who were in the all ireland semis last year, at the end of the armagh havent really played a top team in a while. Hes only played in a few top teams in his career as we havent played dublin kerry or mayo in a long time so its a bit silly your argument. We beat tyrone and did well against donegal and meath. Then all the club scene i think thats were your wrong top players show more in club especially the level hes got too i think he has won 3 all ireland clubs when he left cross struggled so work that one out
credit_crunch (Armagh) - Posts: 57 - 31/07/2017 16:25:25 2026773 Link 0 |
Ok understand you defending your man - let's see if can show his class on Saturday against a very tough defence - if he does good luck to him and I will be routing for Armagh in semi!
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 31/07/2017 16:52:20 2026794 Link 0 |
Like Conor Mc Manus was very quiet on Sat for most of the game he chalks up big scores because he takes frees same as cillian o connor As I said before Clarke just doesnt score for Armagh he creates the play. I fully expect him to roam about if there is two men on him there is one free which maybe some like rafferty and o neill or soupy could take advantage off. Its going to be interesting to see what happens. I think it will be tough for Armagh no question but I bet any money they will show a hell of bottle.. With one weeks rest v three weeks for tyrone. I expect it to be similar to the Armagh v Donegal match a few years ago we basically have a free pop at Tyrone no1 is expecting us to win bar our own fans great position to be in..... credit_crunch (Armagh) - Posts: 57 - 31/07/2017 17:46:27 2026815 Link 0 |
Agree
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 31/07/2017 17:48:50 2026816 Link 0 |
Not a great player eh? I've heard it all now. Gee I wish you were giving advice to Mickey Harte! Bet you Mickey thinks he's a great player and will duely have 3 players on him with the rest of the team on that side of the field too!!
DooReg (Armagh) - Posts: 33 - 31/07/2017 18:41:31 2026855 Link 0 |