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Well may get this started now. I can think of at least 3 lads there tonight who shouldn't be on the panel next year. Fionn and leper have been great servants but they ain't good enough anymore. peter Kelly isn't the players he used to be also. We seriously missed Neil Flynn tonight. One of the only natural forwards we have. The free taking situation needs to be dealt with also. As good as a footballer Feely is he's not consistent with the frees. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 29/07/2017 20:48:07 2025495 Link
Replying To daytona11: "Well may get this started now. I can think of at least 3 lads there tonight who shouldn't be on the panel next year. Fionn and leper have been great servants but they ain't good enough anymore. peter Kelly isn't the players he used to be also. We seriously missed Neil Flynn tonight. One of the only natural forwards we have. The free taking situation needs to be dealt with also. As good as a footballer Feely is he's not consistent with the frees." Is that not a wee bit harsh on Fionn Downing? He hasn't started a championship match since Meath in 2011. He gave a good account of himself in tough games v Dublin and Mayo last year. Kildare may not be in a position to choose exactly who they want next year. I believe the preparation of the team and the commitment of the players was top class this year. Yet there was very little reward at all and the same old psychological flaws occurred in tight game. And let's not sugarcoat it, Kildare were outfought and outplayed by a team who will remain in div 3 in 2018. That is soul destroying for a team that tries as hard as Kildare. What player would honestly keep hanging around, putting their life on hold when there is absolutely no prospect whatsoever of achieving anything? Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1171 - 30/07/2017 10:14:19 2025729 Link
Several of the 2015/16 minor teams in or around the squad now, I'd expect they will get opportunities during the league to show they offer more than those playing last night. Of course Div 1 will be a tough place to be introduced but if we want to push on that's the level you must be able to operate at. This generation very much at the crossroads now, playing in Div 1 will either make them or break them lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 30/07/2017 10:52:01 2025758 Link
Replying To Daith: "Is that not a wee bit harsh on Fionn Downing? He hasn't started a championship match since Meath in 2011. He gave a good account of himself in tough games v Dublin and Mayo last year. Kildare may not be in a position to choose exactly who they want next year. I believe the preparation of the team and the commitment of the players was top class this year. Yet there was very little reward at all and the same old psychological flaws occurred in tight game. And let's not sugarcoat it, Kildare were outfought and outplayed by a team who will remain in div 3 in 2018. That is soul destroying for a team that tries as hard as Kildare. What player would honestly keep hanging around, putting their life on hold when there is absolutely no prospect whatsoever of achieving anything?" I agree it may be harsh Daith but there is no room for sentiment. I have a very differing view on why we were bet yesterday. I don't think it was a mental thing. I really believe that some of the lads when it comes to this point in the championship are not good enough. I too appreciate that they give up a lot and put a lot of effort in but that doesn't gloss over the harsh reality. It's not just Fionn either. We brought on Leper, who has been a fantastic servant by the way, at 34 years of age in croker to try to get back into a game. Look it, we have Neil Flynn hopefully for the full year next year along with Eoin Doyle and hopefully young Jimmy Hyland can make the breakthrough also. Things are by no means bleak but we need to look at cutting some lads loose. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 30/07/2017 11:13:40 2025774 Link
We do need a few new faces to develop the squad further. I think in the full back line we are nowhere near strong enough. We need an imposing full back for a start. Possibly Luke Flynn? Also to develop attacking play more. We are too inclined to carry the ball into the tackle and try run through defences which is OK against average teams but as you go up the levels teams will turn you over. I would love to see us go long more often to Flynn and Brophy and mix up it up a bit. Both should be able to win their fair share in the air. At least then defences wouldn't know what to expect, I think at the moment we are too predictable. Having said that we have the bones of a very capable team and we have plenty to look forward to next year thanks to the management and players efforts this year. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 30/07/2017 16:11:03 2025960 Link
Adam Tyrrell & Ryan Houlihan might come back into contention for next year, both were away with the army this year ? Sean Hurley would surely be able to bring something if he got fit. We'll see who comes forward from the underage teams too. We know there's a few lads who probably aren't good enough but have to have something better than them before discarding them. It'll be interesting to see. I'd be fairly sure it's the end for Leper & Emmet Bolton. Two fantastic lads, great servants but their time is up. Not sure who else might call it a day, or have it called for them by Cian. I think there's a lot to look forward to. Neil Flynn was a big loss & Ben McCormack too.....and there's surely much more to come from Brophy, Dan Flynn & Feely. Even for 23-24 year olds, given their time abroad (& injuries for Dan) they're actually really inexperienced in terms of championship football, we tend to forget that. Someone said to me Dan had only played 3 championship matches before this year ? Anyway...disappointing end to the year but it's been a good year. KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 30/07/2017 16:37:46 2025986 Link
Lads sorry but it just isn't a good season. A season is decided on how it ends and ours ended by choking v a poor division 3 Armagh team. There is a lot of bull talked about lads like Flynn etc... expecting them to change the culture of abject failure and under achievement that hangs around the county like a bad smell. Hopes for 2018? How about having the bottle to win a tight game v similar opposition? It would be the first time since the Micko years. Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1171 - 30/07/2017 20:37:00 2026184 Link
Replying To Daith: "Lads sorry but it just isn't a good season. A season is decided on how it ends and ours ended by choking v a poor division 3 Armagh team. There is a lot of bull talked about lads like Flynn etc... expecting them to change the culture of abject failure and under achievement that hangs around the county like a bad smell. Hopes for 2018? How about having the bottle to win a tight game v similar opposition? It would be the first time since the Micko years." It was better than last year and the year before. Next year will be better again. St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1700 - 31/07/2017 18:52:06 2026858 Link
i think that the big focus in the county should be in finding the reason why we don't have the scoring power to convert possesion into scores. been an issue with both our county team since the micko days. even when we won a couple of leinsters we had to be a 7/8 point better team to win by two tom80 (Kildare) - Posts: 8 - 09/08/2017 13:36:36 2031558 Link
Replying To Daith: "Lads sorry but it just isn't a good season. A season is decided on how it ends and ours ended by choking v a poor division 3 Armagh team. There is a lot of bull talked about lads like Flynn etc... expecting them to change the culture of abject failure and under achievement that hangs around the county like a bad smell. Hopes for 2018? How about having the bottle to win a tight game v similar opposition? It would be the first time since the Micko years." Ah I don't know sometimes I think its talk for the sake of talking, someone said the impossible can be done straight away but miracles take a little longer, Cian has got them to div1 and to a leinster final all from a bad place, there are young side and have to grow into their boots before they can fill them, forget about the Armagh game that was a mishap something like a blow out on the m50, getting to the leinster final was a plus but Dublin was always going to win it no matter who they were playing. Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 271 - 09/08/2017 13:53:29 2031570 Link
Replying To tom80: "i think that the big focus in the county should be in finding the reason why we don't have the scoring power to convert possesion into scores. been an issue with both our county team since the micko days. even when we won a couple of leinsters we had to be a 7/8 point better team to win by two" Think we have more scoring power than what we've had for decades. Put big scores up against Laois and Meath. Not many will score 1.17 against the dubs either. We even have a bit of fire power on the bench. Our problem is more the concession of scores, need to do a lot of work defensively. St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1700 - 09/08/2017 19:02:20 2031732 Link
I think the strength of the panel is the issue for us. With Doyle out we have to start Peter Kelly who isn't a shadow of his former self. When the game is in the melting pot like again Armagh we had to bring on Leper and Fionn Dowling. Good servants they were but shows how thin we are at the moment. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 13/08/2017 18:01:43 2032834 Link
Replying To daytona11: "I think the strength of the panel is the issue for us. With Doyle out we have to start Peter Kelly who isn't a shadow of his former self. When the game is in the melting pot like again Armagh we had to bring on Leper and Fionn Dowling. Good servants they were but shows how thin we are at the moment." Chris Healy should have been brought on and Neil Flynn would have been on if not injured. In addition we have Jimmy Hyland in the forwards next year. Our weakness is in the defence. While Dave Hyland, Byrne ,Cribbin and O'Grady have proved their worth we need someone else like Eoin Doyle that can give a bit of leadership. Bench options nit looking good to replace any of above. Hopefully a lot will be worked on to address this over the coming months. St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1700 - 15/08/2017 19:18:24 2033812 Link
Daniel courtney kilcock is a class act. Himself and feely midfield would be immense 11jm11 (Kildare) - Posts: 366 - 12/09/2017 11:19:21 2045178 Link
Replying To 11jm11: "Daniel courtney kilcock is a class act. Himself and feely midfield would be immense" You'll be happy he's been adds to the panel so. Anyone know what's going on with Ollie? http://kildaregaa.ie/kildare-senior-football-panel-update/ KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 04/11/2017 19:34:50 2060475 Link
Replying To KildareKelly: "You'll be happy he's been adds to the panel so. Anyone know what's going on with Ollie? Was" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://kildaregaa.ie/kildare-senior-football-panel-update/" Was going to ask the same about Ollie? Anyone know if he was dropped or retired? If he was dropped O'Neill must have one hell of a replacement for him! Bar the Armagh game he had a pretty solid season I thought. Didnt do his usual job on Brogan but not entirely his fault either. Thought Shay Ryan was good enough too, like to hear the reason for him too. Glad to see Luke Flynn involved. I would also like to see Murnaghan on the panel, surprised he was dropped at all. Has the same bite as Eoin Doyle. St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1700 - 05/11/2017 14:17:42 2060580 Link
Well going by Cian's interview and reading the Leader it appears Ollie was dropped. Hard to imagine there wasnt a role for him even as an impact sub! Theres at least a couple more I'd have dropped before him. On the positive side there seems to be a lot of focus on improving the defence and theres a decent crop of young players coming in. The young Carbury goalkeeper must be really good if he's being drafted in at 17! St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1700 - 07/11/2017 13:18:49 2060986 Link
Replying To St.Conleth: "Well going by Cian's interview and reading the Leader it appears Ollie was dropped. Hard to imagine there wasnt a role for him even as an impact sub! Theres at least a couple more I'd have dropped before him. On the positive side there seems to be a lot of focus on improving the defence and theres a decent crop of young players coming in. The young Carbury goalkeeper must be really good if he's being drafted in at 17!" If true, it is up there with some of the worst decisions a Kildare manager has ever made. When you have no defenders, dont get rid of your only back who even closely resembles a man marker. Madness. Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1171 - 09/11/2017 15:33:26 2061406 Link
Replying To Daith: "If true, it is up there with some of the worst decisions a Kildare manager has ever made. When you have no defenders, dont get rid of your only back who even closely resembles a man marker. Madness." i have heard that Ollie has personally decided to take a year out. Dunno how true that is or why he's taking a year out. But that's what i heard. Dr.Watson (Kildare) - Posts: 208 - 13/11/2017 11:03:00 2062029 Link
Replying To Dr.Watson: "i have heard that Ollie has personally decided to take a year out. Dunno how true that is or why he's taking a year out. But that's what i heard." Ollie's nearly 32, can't imagine he'd be expecting to come back after a year out. Might as well said he was retiring if that was the case. St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1700 - 13/11/2017 18:43:36 2062143 Link