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The phrase bad losers/worse winners was coined for Meath.
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 21/07/2017 11:40:49 2020463 Link 0 |
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It'll probably take an all ireland win for that inferior complex to dissipate. Give it another 20 years. Did I say 20? Sorry, make it 200 ;) cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 21/07/2017 11:45:00 2020468 Link 0 |
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Ye it was the day of the Meath V Kildare replay. I believe the cheer that went up in the Paragon bar Clones when the radio announced that Kildare were beating Meath in extra time was actually audible back in Kells. Then Sean Boylan done another master stroke in introducing Jody Devine to score 4 points. In fairness the stone toughing in Kells was very wrong and many GAA supporters in the Kells area who were at the Cavan V Kerry game were annoyed at it. It wasn't genuine GAA supporters who were at it but the lugs in soccer jerseys who wouldn't be able to name 2 players on their local club team. Anyway Cavan people have the M3 now to bypass Kells if they get back to the All Ireland series in Croke Park. That's if ye are will to pay the Tolls..... anto_meath (Meath) - Posts: 108 - 21/07/2017 11:50:36 2020477 Link 1 |
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Obvisouly in Tyrone. Armagh etc we can only count on one half of the population
Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 21/07/2017 11:58:22 2020483 Link 0 |
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Roy Malone scored 2 goals that day. Both belters too. Vinny Claffey scored Offaly's opening goal as they tore Meath asunder.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 21/07/2017 12:11:55 2020492 Link 0 |
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Fair enough, I'll be sure to remember that going forward. Was there a big swing in demographics in the county or what happened? Why did an almost relentless dominance come to a sudden halt? I am genuinely interested. I thought 97 would kickstart Cavan again but it didn't seem to do that at all. I know Cavan had had some really good underage teams in recent years but those lads were probablt too young to remember 97. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 21/07/2017 14:11:34 2020567 Link 0 |
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who was that ?
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 21/07/2017 15:18:36 2020602 Link 0 |
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Thanks for that correction Mes Amis. Happy days!
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1746 - 21/07/2017 15:25:28 2020610 Link 0 |
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The reasons were addressed in dblackandamber's post earlier which then got misintrepeted as him saying that things changed in the north for the worse since '97. He didn't mean that at all . The '97 win was a flash-in-the-pan and not much can be read in to it. the startling fact is that since 1969 that is the only Ulster final we have won and the issues raised by DBLACKANDAMBER are surely relevant when addressing what has changed in Ulster since the early decades of the 20th century. Population might have something to do with it. Cavan has a relatively small population, and in the last half century as the games became more organised, especially with the implementation of the parish rule, other counties in Ulster got their act together, and numbers began to tell. You would have to factor in the whole situation in the 6 counties as well. As things got worse, the GAA became more important to the Irish up there, and doing your best for where your from meant an awful lot to people who had nothing and were victims of law and politics. Lads playing for their county going up against lads playing for their people? No contest. And of course, and rather obviously, they just haven't produced good enough teams. dblackandamber (Kilkenny) - Posts:80 - 20/07/2017 17:05:27 2020131 s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 21/07/2017 15:26:50 2020613 Link 0 |
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Disappointed not to see more condemnation from Meath folk for the stone throwers. A lot of what happened to Cavan Gaa was during the Celtic tiger years, droves of taxi drivers and their families from Dublin sold their houses and bought houses in Cavan. A lot of these were big soccer fans and they put the GAA out of their new neighbours heads. There are also too many clubs in Cavan and the standard is desperate compared to other Ulster counties like Monaghan. foxes_denn (Cavan) - Posts: 129 - 21/07/2017 15:29:44 2020616 Link 0 |
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Honestly, it's very hard to pinpoint. Gaelic Football is still THE sport in Cavan, always has been! I'd put the lack of success since the late 60s down, in order, to the following; The rest of ulster got their act together. The troubles United the GAA side of the 6 counties. The quality of player now vs, say, the 40s is incomparable. In John joe O'Reilly and Mick Higgins, we had 2 of the best to ever play yhe game IMO. I'm too young to remember anything further back than early 90s so since then, if say our downfall has been; A very strong ulster championship in early 90s (4 consecutive all ireland winners and an unlucky loser in 95). A very good Tyrone team (canavan, dooher etc) then Armagh (McGeeney era) then Tyrone again through the 00s. We lost league final and ulster final to Tyrone in 01. In the late 00s, I have to say we simply didn't have the players of sufficient quality or commitment. Since 2010 we have brought thru a team of very talented footballers but none of the successful u21 teams contained a lethal inside forward and relied on defensice tactics - which senior teams are wise to. We've been competitive in ulster (lost to the provincial winner in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015 and 2016, by a point twice and after a replay on another occasion. I think it will take 1 win in a close game like that to help make the breakthrough. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 21/07/2017 17:08:51 2020654 Link 0 |
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Thanks for all the responses, what I am taking from them is as follows: Since the 60s a combination of the troubles and other Ulster counties getting their act together anyway meant that they caught up with and overtook Cavan. Cavan might have got complacent and not seen the rapid improvement by provincial rivals until it was too late. The 90s was a golden era for Ulster football with 3 or 4 of the top 6 or 7 counties operating out of Ulster then. Cavan have produced very good underage teams but not the lethal forwards needed to translate it to senior success. The big disappointment seems to be that 97 was a flash in the pan season. Based on what I know of Cavan football I think they are a sleeping giant and it would be great for the game of Gaelic Football if they rose again with an All-Ireland winning team. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 21/07/2017 18:07:02 2020668 Link 0 |
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Majority Nationalist in Tyrone. Tyrone big county. Centre of excellence in Tyrone. Traveling for training much more convenient for players than for example Kerry where long distances are involved. fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 21/07/2017 19:14:17 2020688 Link 0 |
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And the phrase losers was made for Kildare, what's your point?
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/07/2017 19:35:00 2020692 Link 0 |
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Would you like some salt and vinegar to go with that massive chip ?
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/07/2017 20:00:04 2020696 Link 0 |
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Cavan is a great footballing county but not a sleeping giant as it is a small county. The sleeping giants are Galway, Meath and Kildare. Perhaps Kildare are awakening after their performance last Sunday with such a young team and with such an outstanding midfielder Kevin Feeley. fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 21/07/2017 20:04:05 2020698 Link 0 |
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97 was hardly a flash in the pan. It may have been a bit lucky but it was very much deserved as we had been knocking on the door. We had some great players from 2 very good U21 teams. We probably should have won the U21 AI in 1988 but an injury to Ronan Carolan before the final was a massive blow and we narrowly missed out to Offaly. Ill-discipline and bad luck stunted that particular teams' development as seniors. We drew one of Donegal's best ever teams for 4 years in a row in the first round of Ulster so it was many years before they managed to get a Championship win under their belts. The arrival of Martin Beag coincided with the emergence of another talented group of young players. We reached the U21 AI in 1996 only to lose out to a great Kerry team in what was a terrific contest. We had contested the Ulster final in 1995 and narrowly lost the semi final to Down in 96 so we were a decent outfit. McHugh left in 97 and a few older players retired. It was unfortunate that we couldn't build on that success but such is life. Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 22/07/2017 06:05:37 2020769 Link 0 |
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I think its really unfair to class Meath REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1618 - 22/07/2017 10:42:30 2020808 Link 1 |
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Great times for Cavan. I went to college and played third level football with Peter Reilly and Gerry Sheridan in the mid nineties, they lived together in Drumcondra and used to run to Templeogue twice a week to training, a return trip of about 8 miles and training was tough. We had other GAA stars in that team such as Damien Diver and John Duffy (Donegal), Dara O'Sé (Kerry), Evan Kelly and Richie Kealy (Meath), Darren Homan (Dublin) Padraig Kelly GK (Offaly). Not a bad third level team! But unfortunately we weren't allowed to play Sigerson because DIT was not a university. Great memories and great lads I have to say and all dedicated to their clubs and counties. There's a few stories I could tell but what goes on tour stays on tour, right! Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 22/07/2017 10:50:01 2020815 Link 0 |
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I remember that well. Down were not only worthy winners but very honorable in it to, Meath people could have felt aggrieved after not winning Sam that year with all that had gone before it with dubs Wicklow etc, but no we appreciate a fine football team. Its funny those who have done it against Meath on the big days like Down and galway are held very dear to Meath hearts, I have always had a soft spot for Down football and same for Galway , never heard much vitriol from either county towards any Meath team, always got great reception in both counties , on match days and the way our fans treated Down in 91 is always remarked to me
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/07/2017 12:12:48 2020852 Link 0 |