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I wouldn't be in favour of player power in general. Two or three influencers in a panel can cause all sorts of havoc. I agree with the comments that county boards have a lot to answer for but they're mainly volunteers too so don't deserve some of the stick they get sometimes. We all own a piece of our county teams, that's just the way it is in the GAA and long may it continue Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 19/07/2017 20:52:50 2019553 Link 0 |
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Laois were still strong back then, as strong as anyone else in Leinster. Westmeath won Leinster back then. Totally different province to what it was. Dublin were no great shakes.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 19/07/2017 20:53:07 2019554 Link 0 |
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Well not exactly. We lost by 13 points to Meath in the 2002 qualifiers, beaten by a point by Offaly in Leinster that year. In 2001 lost to Offaly in Leinster by 3 or 4 pts, Derry in the qualifiers, second round by 3 pts. In 2000 we lost the first round to Westmeath. Qualifiers came in in 2001. We were no where near the levels we reached under O'Dwyer with the same players. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 19/07/2017 21:33:05 2019591 Link 6 |
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I didn't say he was a rubbish manager I am saying he came in and made an impact with a squad as good as any other in the province. He was still past his best as a manager. More than one Laois player has said his methods and style of training were pretty primitive. You would know that being from Laois.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 19/07/2017 22:00:09 2019611 Link 0 |
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That individual, who is prominent in the media, wouldn't have much credibility in Laois. For a lot of reasons.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 19/07/2017 22:13:57 2019620 Link 6 |
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They were effective. We won a Leinster for the first time in 57 years. A player like Ross Munnelly (Mayo dad by the way) who has possibly been our greatest ever servant has described O'Dwyer as being an ultimate role model who he phones every year for a chat before the championship. Ross is a modern coach who coaches DCU teams. He is also head of the Sports Development Service in DCU. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 19/07/2017 22:24:16 2019629 Link 6 |
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Ha it wasn't just Parkinson to be fair! Poor Wooly gets an awful hard time.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 19/07/2017 22:34:48 2019638 Link 0 |
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I know. But he'd be the main cheer leader. There's a lot of, how shall i put this, behaviour by Wooly off the pitch for years in Laois. And not just wild young fella drinking stuff. As Got Milk hinted at, there may be more to the Pete McGrath story than the likes of myself know. More than my synopsis of keep the head down and shut up and listen to a successful manager. I suppose like any of us, when managers age, they can become more intolerant and contrary too and lose some of their man management skills. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 19/07/2017 23:03:19 2019650 Link 6 |
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well seeing as most of this stuff takes place during the off season, if a manager isnt up to it then players have every right to get rid of him, they are the ones making by far the biggest sacrifices and know a lot more about what happens in the camp than anybody else..plenty of them do make good coaches, are you honestly implying some of these county board members in various counties are a better judge than 30 players worth of county players who are at every training session unlike an administrator or a poster on an internet forum
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 19/07/2017 23:29:03 2019666 Link 0 |
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same ones liked kicking aidan o shea and other mayo players a few months ago when they got their chance, experts on fermanagh now all of a sudden, i remember barry owens and mark little off the top of my head
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 19/07/2017 23:30:08 2019667 Link 0 |
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and you do realise the game evolves and changes over 30 years?..theres a reason various coaches dont last in the various sports or have to adapt to the modern situation, look up phil jackson tenure with the ny knicks for example where he was effectively running the show
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 19/07/2017 23:31:58 2019668 Link 0 |
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an authoritarian doesnt work unless its somebody like brian cody, theres a reason he can do it and nobody else can, same applies with a ferguson and even ferguson adapted over the years
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 19/07/2017 23:33:35 2019670 Link 0 |
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to be fair to micko think he did a great job with laois and wicklow, i think player power is warranted in situations where a team has stalled or they have gone back, or where the manager was appointed under suspicious circumstances like in the mayo/cork situations, plus if the training isnt good enough then who are others to question that, laois had gone back a lot under micko by the end of his time there in all fairness and there best days where during the time where we were at our weakest alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 19/07/2017 23:36:26 2019672 Link 0 |
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A lot of assumptions being posted here as fact , number one Mc Garth an authoritarian, two his methods out dated ,as has been stated already lads know Mcgraths date of birth but no one on here can state any facts as to what went on , all we know is one side of a story lads questioning substitutions etc try keeping to that , looking at a coach and making an assumption he hasn't evolved without anything to back it up other than his DOB is poor posting , lads may very well turn out to be right in the long run but as of now your doing two plus two Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 20/07/2017 08:07:36 2019719 Link 0 |
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Ah sure I know to take what Parkinson says with a pinch of salt, he is good craic though.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 20/07/2017 08:54:39 2019737 Link 0 |
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Lads it comes down to 2 things, training and communication. Players have every right to voice concerns if these things are not up to scratch. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 20/07/2017 08:56:23 2019738 Link 0 |
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Spot on
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 20/07/2017 10:31:30 2019803 Link 0 |
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but what happens when the players are not up to it- they just blame the manager. Good players know their strengths and weakness while mediocre players think that they are good when the opposite is the truth. Mayo did not yet benefit from a change yet, as indeed the same can be said for may counties who change managers.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 20/07/2017 15:59:44 2020070 Link 0 |
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Someone as a chip on there shoulders. Are you honestly saying that this fermanagh team are the same standard to when yee had the likes of owens, Mcgrath, broaster macguire etc.
ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 20/07/2017 16:22:09 2020088 Link 0 |
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I'm not saying all players are right in every case, not saying that at all. But more often than not these managers have just lost the group for a number of reasons, why some of them play hard ball is beyond me? Of course a lot of players make excuses but I would take exception to anyone saying this current Mayo group used the management as an excuse to divert attention from themselves. I really hope the Galway hurlers get over the line this year, as I think they have improved in a lot of places in the last year under new management.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 20/07/2017 16:24:48 2020095 Link 0 |