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Replying To mickcunningham:  "i see luke has ruled himself out so my theory goes out the window . no one springs to mind"
Just goes to show that we are not the footballing force that some on here think we are. Nobody seems to want the job as it is one which would hardly enhance anyone's managerial reputation. A poor panel of players (with one or two exceptions) and very little in terms of emerging talent either. The future looks bleak.

Meridian (Westmeath) - Posts: 601 - 15/09/2017 11:32:12    2046184

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Replying To maroonkingdom:  "Roscommon is years behind us when it comes to strength and conditioning and defensive set up. O' Donnell may be experienced but he doesn't know much about what goes on in the county so I reckon he'll be a bad choice."
yet Roscommon were in Div 1 and won a provincial title this year
the problem with Westmeath is that managers have to deal with our CB and lack of facilities

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 15/09/2017 13:12:04    2046214

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Replying To valley84:  "yet Roscommon were in Div 1 and won a provincial title this year
the problem with Westmeath is that managers have to deal with our CB and lack of facilities"
sorry, the problem in Westmeath is the quality of players. End of.

Meridian (Westmeath) - Posts: 601 - 15/09/2017 13:35:58    2046226

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Replying To BigSur:  "Not that it matters but I suggested Tom Coffey way back and he'll be in a very strong position when Athlone turn Lomans over in the Final with Ray Connellan home on holiers !
But regardless of all that, Colin Kelly is the man !"
At least one person had the inside track...

wonit1time (Westmeath) - Posts: 450 - 15/09/2017 18:14:55    2046298

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Great to see we're aiming high. Well done CB.

Chops (Westmeath) - Posts: 775 - 15/09/2017 19:59:25    2046319

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'Former Louth manager Colin Kelly and former Wicklow boss Johnny Magee are believed to be the frontrunners for the job.'

I really had such low expectations from the county board, I didn't actually think it was possible to be underwhelmed, but then I see this...

Morty (Westmeath) - Posts: 209 - 15/09/2017 22:42:59    2046350

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there are no Paudie O'Shea type figures out there I'm afraid

the only way we might get some change is a local coaching ticket who will also try and overhaul the underage setup

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 15/09/2017 23:29:33    2046360

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Nothing short of a disgrace if an ex Wicklow manager is appointed. Bring back Bealin..

Matthew (None) - Posts: 1008 - 16/09/2017 00:49:21    2046368

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Absolutely shocking, if this is true. The bottom of the barrel stuff. Leahy, Mangan, Coffey I'm sure would be interested if approached. At lest they have achieved something as managers and there locals. The two mentioned would no influence to many lads back next year. Our county poor have once again let our team down.

Paddyfla19 (Westmeath) - Posts: 114 - 16/09/2017 00:50:14    2046369

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Surely a local appointment,no matter who,would be better than either of these.

GozoGael (Westmeath) - Posts: 48 - 16/09/2017 09:45:13    2046379

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Replying To Paddyfla19:  "Absolutely shocking, if this is true. The bottom of the barrel stuff. Leahy, Mangan, Coffey I'm sure would be interested if approached. At lest they have achieved something as managers and there locals. The two mentioned would no influence to many lads back next year. Our county poor have once again let our team down."
I think its time now the players stood up and start making demands for what they want and need. Why go for 2 candidates from outside who have poor records and who know nothing of the Westmeath setup. Jack Cooney, Alan Mangan, Martin Flanagan, Tom Coffey, Eammon Gallagher, John Keane, Peter Leahy, so many from within and we go out and scrape the bottom of the barrel. Its a disgrace.

Chops (Westmeath) - Posts: 775 - 16/09/2017 09:56:22    2046380

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Replying To Chops:  "I think its time now the players stood up and start making demands for what they want and need. Why go for 2 candidates from outside who have poor records and who know nothing of the Westmeath setup. Jack Cooney, Alan Mangan, Martin Flanagan, Tom Coffey, Eammon Gallagher, John Keane, Peter Leahy, so many from within and we go out and scrape the bottom of the barrel. Its a disgrace."
Wel said chops couldn't agree more !!

Paddyfla19 (Westmeath) - Posts: 114 - 16/09/2017 11:48:32    2046405

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The ex wicklow manager won more as a player at club & county than any of your local lads! You should be asking the question why they are not putting there names forward. Maybe it's because they don't have courage to step up & look for it? Who did the clubs nominate? As for scrapping the bottom of the Barrel because he is the ex Wicklow manager is a cheap shot. It's probably the most difficult job to take on. He might not of got the results people wanted but you need to dig deeper to find out what he brought & tried to do for Wicklow with the resources & players he had. He definitely had the biggest turn over of any county players I have ever seen.
As for your players should stand up to the CB & demand who should mange them.
Over the last 5 years you have gone from D1 to D4 & back to D3 with a couple of different mangers with a good portion of the same players. So is it always the mangers fault or do your players need to stand up & be counted. There is no question you should be the 2nd best team in Leinster & you should be in D2. Mangers & coaches come & go all the time so the players should have their own standards & ambitions. I heard your previous Manger was a walk over & your players took full advantage of it. I don't need to go into details but maybe that is also why none of your local guys want the job because of the players & what has gone on?

Wicklowfan1 (Wicklow) - Posts: 46 - 16/09/2017 14:25:37    2046440

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I don't believe that for a second. There's plenty of managers that have faced bigger challenges than Johnny Magee at Wicklow.

maroonkingdom (Westmeath) - Posts: 41 - 16/09/2017 17:50:09    2046469

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Replying To Wicklowfan1:  "The ex wicklow manager won more as a player at club & county than any of your local lads! You should be asking the question why they are not putting there names forward. Maybe it's because they don't have courage to step up & look for it? Who did the clubs nominate? As for scrapping the bottom of the Barrel because he is the ex Wicklow manager is a cheap shot. It's probably the most difficult job to take on. He might not of got the results people wanted but you need to dig deeper to find out what he brought & tried to do for Wicklow with the resources & players he had. He definitely had the biggest turn over of any county players I have ever seen.
As for your players should stand up to the CB & demand who should mange them.
Over the last 5 years you have gone from D1 to D4 & back to D3 with a couple of different mangers with a good portion of the same players. So is it always the mangers fault or do your players need to stand up & be counted. There is no question you should be the 2nd best team in Leinster & you should be in D2. Mangers & coaches come & go all the time so the players should have their own standards & ambitions. I heard your previous Manger was a walk over & your players took full advantage of it. I don't need to go into details but maybe that is also why none of your local guys want the job because of the players & what has gone on?"
The ex wicklow manager won more as a player at club & county than any of your local lads!......i presume you think then that anyone from Dublin or Kerry should manage us then....we have had Bealin and that's enough proof to not go back to that particular well purely because of where he comes from. I understand the difficulties in Wicklow however Magee was constantly in need of a microphone to complain about something or other. I think we can find better internally personally and would take Magees appointment as a step backwards

Darragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 301 - 16/09/2017 17:52:22    2046470

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Replying To Wicklowfan1:  "The ex wicklow manager won more as a player at club & county than any of your local lads! You should be asking the question why they are not putting there names forward. Maybe it's because they don't have courage to step up & look for it? Who did the clubs nominate? As for scrapping the bottom of the Barrel because he is the ex Wicklow manager is a cheap shot. It's probably the most difficult job to take on. He might not of got the results people wanted but you need to dig deeper to find out what he brought & tried to do for Wicklow with the resources & players he had. He definitely had the biggest turn over of any county players I have ever seen.
As for your players should stand up to the CB & demand who should mange them.
Over the last 5 years you have gone from D1 to D4 & back to D3 with a couple of different mangers with a good portion of the same players. So is it always the mangers fault or do your players need to stand up & be counted. There is no question you should be the 2nd best team in Leinster & you should be in D2. Mangers & coaches come & go all the time so the players should have their own standards & ambitions. I heard your previous Manger was a walk over & your players took full advantage of it. I don't need to go into details but maybe that is also why none of your local guys want the job because of the players & what has gone on?"
Its not the fact that he is the ex Wicklow boss that annoys me. I have no issue with that. Its the fact he made zero impact at Wicklow and spent lots of time whinging about the gaps opening between top and bottom rather than trying to improve on what he had. Colin Kelly made damn all inroads in Louth either. If we go for an outside manager there should be a small bit of pedigree demanded, I don't think its much to ask, if we stay inside (which we haven't for 30 odd years) then the former players/managers mentioned have plenty of experience and most have played at the highest level.

Chops (Westmeath) - Posts: 775 - 16/09/2017 19:23:33    2046496

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delusional if we think a manager within the county can move wm on; minors under leahy got hammered v kildare and had a poor overall league campaign. the rest have no real experience nor success at county level. the other problem; any successful manager will look at wm as step down not up; so perhaps this decision reflects the reality of where we are.

Rossieruan (Westmeath) - Posts: 73 - 17/09/2017 15:53:44    2046685

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Replying To Rossieruan:  "delusional if we think a manager within the county can move wm on; minors under leahy got hammered v kildare and had a poor overall league campaign. the rest have no real experience nor success at county level. the other problem; any successful manager will look at wm as step down not up; so perhaps this decision reflects the reality of where we are."
Correct me if I am wrong but did Mcgee not get some good results with Wicklow and did Louth under Kelly go division 4 to 3 to 2???

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1459 - 17/09/2017 23:54:23    2047139

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Replying To jobber:  "Correct me if I am wrong but did Mcgee not get some good results with Wicklow and did Louth under Kelly go division 4 to 3 to 2???"
Jobber your correct with Kelly he is a good one and Louth players rated him. Problem is I think we needed a local who knows the players. All we are doing is kicking the can along in front of us year in year out and not creating our own internal structure. I don't see a overall strategy to move us forward. Can someone tell us what the plan for Westmeath senior and underage for the next 5 or 10 years or is there one. Have we done a audit on what we need to become a successful county and are we transparent regarding our Finiances and our strategy for the next 10 years. Lay in front of the delegates how much and where money went and what will be needed to bring your plan into place and then let all the clubs and delegates agree to a blueprint going forward and put the shoulder to the wheel and raise money to finiance it and the clubs if they agree should all work towards this blueprint agreed and stick to a plan and not just try and stop a gap every time a hole appears. Gaa is like a business you fail to prepare and plan ahead you will be bankrupt and out of business. Let's start treating our sport like a business

Paulknows (Westmeath) - Posts: 114 - 18/09/2017 08:35:00    2047215

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Replying To jobber:  "Correct me if I am wrong but did Mcgee not get some good results with Wicklow and did Louth under Kelly go division 4 to 3 to 2???"
Magee did not win 1 Leinster championship match as Wicklow boss in 3 seasons. And Wicklow finished second from bottom of Division 4 this season winning only one game. So yes Jobber you stand corrected.

Chops (Westmeath) - Posts: 775 - 18/09/2017 09:36:40    2047251

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