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Thre will be at least 35 players on the senior squad for training and probably around the same on the u21 what would you do with the other 40 + players when your playing in-house games there is no management in the country can handle 2 squads on the one night at the same time this is exactly why they were split up in the first place it didn't work before and won't again
rogerdodger (Westmeath) - Posts: 228 - 09/11/2017 21:34:27 2061493 Link 0 |
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I could not agree more. In 2014 which was a shambles of a year for football under Paul Bealin. I say that based on results from the Seniors and under 21's and drafting players into the squad before the Cavan game in June. That year both teams would train together and when their was a training game coming up to the U21's first round of Championship against Longford, I watched as the 15 starting players from the U21's played some of the panel players from the Senior Squad, while the other 15 U21's that weren't starting trained on the side of the St.Lomans astro turf pitch!!!! Not good enough! This went on for 4/5 weeks. Simply does not work. Management must be separated from both. I wish the incoming management the very best of luck, however, we can not give preference to one team over the other if Westmeath football is to progress to the next level to compete and win!
kevinno.8 (Meath) - Posts: 29 - 10/11/2017 11:29:10 2061560 Link 0 |
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I think we should give the lads in charge a chance. I'm sure they are trying to put two panels in place at the moment & there's surely trials ongoing for the rest of this month at least. There's no point speculating that the whole of U20 & senior panels will be training together all year until its known for sure & I doubt very much that it will be the case. Emmett McDonald was over the U21's a couple of years ago while also a selector with the seniors so there's no reason the same thing cannot be done with Damien Gavin if he actually is over the U20's. Colin Kelly comes with a decent reputation so lets give him a chance, the same with Damien Gavin. We have a group of senior players that's good enough to get out of Div 3 & should be looking for a decent run in the qualifiers. I'm not sure on the U20 squad, as a previous poster said they were heavily beaten by Kildare at minor level. Left Full (Westmeath) - Posts: 239 - 10/11/2017 13:22:29 2061600 Link 0 |
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Thats a good 20s team my brother was on the minor panel 2 years ago and they were beaten badly by Kildare who went on to be leinster champions and beaten by a exceptional kerry team in the all ireland final. That mimor team though didnt have Finbar coyne or young dillion from miltown and Joe Moran went playing rugby so and thats just 3 big players they were missing and whiile kildare beat them Westmeath hammered Laois at least 5 times that year and laois were in leinster final. They also beat Meath, Dublin, Offaly and Longford that year so I say we will be very strong with those 3 lads back and then people who have matured like Lyster and Fallon from the bridge Kavanagh from shandonagh and I see a good few minor lads in the final there from athlone very impressive so I think that 20s will be very good and Damien Gavin is a great lad so I hope he takes them.
Paulknows (Westmeath) - Posts: 114 - 10/11/2017 16:11:37 2061640 Link 0 |
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I though U20s are not allowed play senior? manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 541 - 10/11/2017 17:09:03 2061651 Link 0 |
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Decent reputation? In 3 seasons they won 2 preliminary round games in the Leinster championship beating Carlow and Wicklow. On the other hand they had back to back promotions in the league. Its a similar situation to where Pat Flanagan was a few years ago with us. Good in the league but very poor come championship.
Chops (Westmeath) - Posts: 775 - 10/11/2017 18:36:32 2061664 Link 0 |
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They can play league. But if a player is named on senior championship panel then he can't play u20 championship.
Andy_Capp (Westmeath) - Posts: 282 - 10/11/2017 21:59:19 2061680 Link 0 |
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Any word on any sort of provisional squad being put together? A lot of other counties are back so we would be a bit behind already. Matthew (None) - Posts: 1008 - 11/11/2017 13:31:28 2061719 Link 0 |
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Wmeath2 (Westmeath) - Posts: 176 - 12/11/2017 23:08:57 2061968 Link 0 |
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well lads so much for an all westmeath backroom team . laois man sean dempsey has been joined by the returning joe quinn from clara . mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1806 - 14/11/2017 13:52:35 2062279 Link 1 |
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Why the doom and gloom Mick ? I don't recall Kelly promising a fully local backroom team, I think a mix was suggested and it seems there wasn't a queue within the county to get involved. Maybe lads want to stick with the alleged €100 per session generosity of local clubs ? I will say it was a little strange that he was appointed without any mentors in place and signs on in that he has struggled to get lads on board. But certainly from the players I have been talking to there is a positive bounce that is expected with a new management group and for I hope they do well. BigSur (Westmeath) - Posts: 1131 - 14/11/2017 15:11:01 2062300 Link 0 |
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no club bias on my part . we will have a good few lads trying out for the team , whether they all make it is for another day mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1806 - 14/11/2017 15:31:45 2062307 Link 0 |
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Mick your having a laugh Joe Quinn is part of the Westmeath set up. he was let go by Westmeath the last time andby Offaly set ups and we take him back. I am sorry but there are loads of local Physical trainers out there. I am not doom and gloom as one supporter here says in fact total opposite but how in the name in hell are we showing such desperation. I am shocked and annoyed but i dont blame Kelly he just should not have been allowed get the Job with no backroom team. I know a lot would say he should not have taken the job without getting his own team in place. Anyway i am excited to see how much worse things will get before someone cops on and says enough is enough. No chance of promotion this year and that not maybe. Djkray (Dublin) - Posts: 152 - 14/11/2017 17:11:26 2062334 Link 0 |
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probably at least €100 per coach per session, yet no money for underage football and hurling development. manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 541 - 14/11/2017 19:05:21 2062353 Link 0 |
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Not worried about the cost just a little worried that surely we have people in our own county better than Quinn and Dempsey. Can we not find people who really care for Westmeath not a laois and offaly man. listen i can understand the manager role if we dont have a man up to the inter county level (which by the way we do have a few) but going around begging people to come on board from outside our county to do selecter and trainer is just so wrong. I dont undertand it and i dont think we should put up with it and the question should be asked at the county convention if any delegate have the courage to ask questions becasue we all know when you ask questions your gone. How about asking for transparency regarding payments on who is getting what. I think we are entitled to that if i am paying 30 euro every time to a match for me my wife and my son. I pay my money at the gate and i pay for a club Iarmhi ticket every year so surely i and a lot of others deserve to know what people are been paid out of our money and for what. Just put it down on paper no more wink wink nudge nudge lets know what people are getting and what value for moeny we are getting. Do people agree with this or am i speaking out of turn Paulknows (Westmeath) - Posts: 114 - 14/11/2017 22:04:18 2062385 Link 1 |
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Great post. Maybe its time for transparency in these financial matters. We as a county seem happy to throw big money to outside people(Hurling-Waterford man, Kilkenny man, Dublin man and 1 local man. Football- Louth man, Laois man, Offaly man and 1 local man) It seems strange to me that we don't have faith in our own people but everyone knows that this County Board don't like being questioned on matters even though they are elected by the delegates to do a job for the clubs. Roll on next year and a new broom to wipe clean but me fears that what is coming along is no better than we have had for past 5 years.
bruceistheboss (Westmeath) - Posts: 22 - 15/11/2017 08:40:00 2062409 Link 0 |
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no laugh dj joe has been reappointed so we have to get on with it
mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1806 - 15/11/2017 08:45:56 2062411 Link 0 |
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the successful counties all have internal managers who have come through the club system, schools or the county underage system manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 541 - 15/11/2017 09:27:43 2062413 Link 0 |
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Maybe its time you put your name forward for one of the positions if you feel that you can make a differance no I dont think you will not enough money in it for you , And thats the same as our so called great coaches and club men in our county how much can I get out of it, they are pricing themselves out of the market and county board has no choice in looking elsewhere for people to do the same job. I was talking to a club delegate as his club man was asked to come in to the set up and he said he wouldnt do it as the money was not good enough and would be better off staying with a club , seems to me its all about money for these lads and they have no pride in helping our county .
nearlymadeit (Westmeath) - Posts: 85 - 15/11/2017 11:01:34 2062433 Link 0 |
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I couldn't agree with you more. I am a big advocate of transparency, but in my opinion we don't see a lot of it in Westmeath. Fully agree that people who ask questions get put in the bold corner. I have seen it happen where people who rock the boat have been 'disciplined'. From what I am hearing there is not much change in store for the top table for next year. Also agree with what some posters are saying, It would be great to have our own internal people involved, again however, from what I am hearing a lot of money was being asked for. Ferrett (Westmeath) - Posts: 51 - 15/11/2017 12:08:05 2062452 Link 0 |