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Michael Duignan on Sky coverage and the GAA

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Also may i add

RTE isnt free we pay a TV Licence, so basically its pretty similiar to Sky , at least with Sky the general public can opt in/out

Its time that RTE was run without state aid, does TUBS deserve his gigantic salary, he is one of many over hyped show ponies

thereporter (Donegal) - Posts: 38 - 11/07/2017 20:49:56    2015243

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Replying To perfect10:  "well hang on while i get the fiddle out.
michael duignan is offering his opinion to an audience of hundreds of thousands of people.his opinion carries weight,it is not his place to offer it given who is paying his wages,i.e. the gaa.
regardless of whether previous generations built the country or whatever,the world cant stay still and life changes.
sure there are people who wont drive on motorways,does that mean we shouldnt build them?"
Exactly. Duignan can get a nice little Christmas pressie for the dad from the wedge he's collectin from RTE.

dead_as_dodos (Carlow) - Posts: 459 - 11/07/2017 21:08:39    2015247

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Lol yep, his mom says he is as stubborn as me already, he just takes all the hassle of different hospital and doc every week and just keeps going."
I hope all works out RD for your little fellow, and your family. Being a Meath man he has to be a fighter.
Your post brought a touch of real life to the forum. All the debate about the championship is just debate, put beside your situation.

I too hope Kildare beat Dublin, it would be a boost for Leinster football. Might have a different view in the Edenderry/ Bracknagh area, right on the border!

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 11/07/2017 22:07:36    2015282

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Ahh he is a little fighter, only given 20% chance night he was born, but after 3 months in hospital we got to bring him home, a nd every day he getting stronger. A typically Meath man, he never gave up :). Thanks for your wishes, we actually consider ourselves to be the lucky ones."
All the best with your son RD.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 11/07/2017 22:21:21    2015295

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Lol yep, his mom says he is as stubborn as me already, he just takes all the hassle of different hospital and doc every week and just keeps going.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:11675 - 11/07/2017 19:29:01   2015193 


Head up RD.

We went through something similar with our eldest. We're through the other side now and have a strong and healthy girl, if getting a little lippy as she approaches teenagedom.

Keep on going.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13709 - 11/07/2017 23:17:42    2015322

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I still don't know whether I fully agree with Duignan or not but I know that all three Kilkenny matches this championship were on sky, so a lot of Kilkenny fans who didn't have sky and were too old or young to go to matches or pub, couldn't see their team play. That can't be right, maybe it should be regulated that a team's matches must be alternated between the stations.

(Although in saying that, the way Kilkenny played this summer, they didn't miss much)

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 12/07/2017 02:47:06    2015356

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Primarily GAA sports are about participation - the more the better and that does generate interest in going to matches and watching games on TV, long after players have hung up their boots they (and their families) will still watch the games. I could never understand the commercial logic behind the Sky deal (for Sky that is not the GAA). Sky's tried and trusted method of cornering a market was never really going to work with GAA sports given the fact it is essentially an amateur - mass participation sport. Given the fact in Dublin area they are losing serious ground to EIR and Virgin a revamp of their services is long over due. I can see Sky quietly dropping the deal they have.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 12/07/2017 07:59:42    2015366

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Replying To dead_as_dodos:  "Exactly. Duignan can get a nice little Christmas pressie for the dad from the wedge he's collectin from RTE."
Sorry I don't see why he should do that.

He probably can afford it but I don't see why just because he can afford it invalidates his criticism of the deal.

Duignan's point wasn't well made but I think there's value to it.

Some people can't afford to spend €40 a month to watch 3/4 games a month that aren't being shown on terrestrial tv. Some people don't believe it to be value for money to do so. There's a serious cheek from people on here suggesting Duignan should just stump up money to Sky. I don't know about you guys but I've always found money hard earned and I'm not inclined to throw it away if I don't believe something's not worth it.

The GAA in 2013 had 40 free to air championship games, now there are only 31 because they'd rather have more money from their rights deal.

The viewing figures showing a 90% drop from those that TV3 were getting shows that there are plenty of people tuning out of watching our games because of this deal. I question the sense in that.

I have moral objections to the deal also. It contributes to more people going to pubs to watch games (the commercial license is where Sky really take it in, the cost of a commercial license is directly linked to sales that pubs make during games). The evidence suggests 2 to 3 times more people go to a pub to watch a game when it's not free to air. They are also more likely to bring children to a pub to watch a match.

I don't really think this is helpful to Irish society given the alcohol problems the country has.

In my opinion the GAA as such a prominent organisation in the country has a social responsibility to not add to this problem.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 12/07/2017 11:23:17    2015457

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Is it just me or is it that Sky are showing more games live this year? Out of the next 12 televised games, Sky are showing 8. I cant remember it being like this in the last few years.

mon (Galway) - Posts: 675 - 12/07/2017 11:46:13    2015475

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Replying To mon:  "Is it just me or is it that Sky are showing more games live this year? Out of the next 12 televised games, Sky are showing 8. I cant remember it being like this in the last few years."
Very true. Especially the qualifies in recent years, the RTE coverage has been pretty sparse. Would RTE be showing a double header of Cork v Mayo and Galway v Donegal if there was no Sky. I highly doubt it

Forpucksake (UK) - Posts: 130 - 12/07/2017 17:48:25    2015734

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Replying To mon:  "Is it just me or is it that Sky are showing more games live this year? Out of the next 12 televised games, Sky are showing 8. I cant remember it being like this in the last few years."
After this weekend Carlow will have had live games shown on Sky twice this summer. I wonder in total how many times a Carlow game has been shown live on RTE, in either football or hurling?

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 12/07/2017 18:15:30    2015752

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Replying To Forpucksake:  "Very true. Especially the qualifies in recent years, the RTE coverage has been pretty sparse. Would RTE be showing a double header of Cork v Mayo and Galway v Donegal if there was no Sky. I highly doubt it"
Sky show 14 games exclusively live in addition to RTE's 31 games.

TV3 in the last year of their deal showed 9 exclusive games of a similar profile to those getting shown by Sky in addition to the 31 RTE were showing. I'd say if Sky weren't around very close to the same number of games would be shown overall and many more would be free to air.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 12/07/2017 18:18:47    2015755

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Sorry I don't see why he should do that.

He probably can afford it but I don't see why just because he can afford it invalidates his criticism of the deal.

Duignan's point wasn't well made but I think there's value to it.

Some people can't afford to spend €40 a month to watch 3/4 games a month that aren't being shown on terrestrial tv. Some people don't believe it to be value for money to do so. There's a serious cheek from people on here suggesting Duignan should just stump up money to Sky. I don't know about you guys but I've always found money hard earned and I'm not inclined to throw it away if I don't believe something's not worth it.

The GAA in 2013 had 40 free to air championship games, now there are only 31 because they'd rather have more money from their rights deal.

The viewing figures showing a 90% drop from those that TV3 were getting shows that there are plenty of people tuning out of watching our games because of this deal. I question the sense in that.

I have moral objections to the deal also. It contributes to more people going to pubs to watch games (the commercial license is where Sky really take it in, the cost of a commercial license is directly linked to sales that pubs make during games). The evidence suggests 2 to 3 times more people go to a pub to watch a game when it's not free to air. They are also more likely to bring children to a pub to watch a match.

I don't really think this is helpful to Irish society given the alcohol problems the country has.

In my opinion the GAA as such a prominent organisation in the country has a social responsibility to not add to this problem."
Seriously?

The evidence suggests 2 to 3 times more people go to a pub to watch a game when it's not free to air. They are also more likely to bring children to a pub to watch a match.

What evidence?

You seem to be implying that people are being forced to sign up to Sky or go the pub against their will. I think people have more cop on than that.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 12/07/2017 18:44:06    2015771

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Seriously?

The evidence suggests 2 to 3 times more people go to a pub to watch a game when it's not free to air. They are also more likely to bring children to a pub to watch a match.

What evidence?

You seem to be implying that people are being forced to sign up to Sky or go the pub against their will. I think people have more cop on than that."
Look up Paul Rouse he's done the research on this.

People don't have to, but people are going to the pub to watch the games who don't when it's available free to air.

They don't have to pay for Sky but to not do so means they are unable to watch games that they otherwise would have been able to do so.

The price of watching is very expensive and I think it's a shame the GAA are putting there on profit over other people's access to our games.

The drop off in number of viewers from TV3 to Sky demonstrates the effect it's having.

As for UK residents, they previously were able to watch GAA through premier sports which cost only £10, now they need to pay an extra £30 to get Sky sports. At the time the deal was initially announced 11m had access to GAA through Premier Sports, that number went down to 4m with access to Sky.

People are talking about people being entitled for complaining about this deal but whenever something they'd previously had access to and it's now removed from them I can completely understand that they complain about it.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 12/07/2017 20:34:06    2015801

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Replying To Whammo86:  "
Replying To GreenandRed:  "Seriously?

The evidence suggests 2 to 3 times more people go to a pub to watch a game when it's not free to air. They are also more likely to bring children to a pub to watch a match.

What evidence?

You seem to be implying that people are being forced to sign up to Sky or go the pub against their will. I think people have more cop on than that."
Look up Paul Rouse he's done the research on this.

People don't have to, but people are going to the pub to watch the games who don't when it's available free to air.

They don't have to pay for Sky but to not do so means they are unable to watch games that they otherwise would have been able to do so.

The price of watching is very expensive and I think it's a shame the GAA are putting there on profit over other people's access to our games.

The drop off in number of viewers from TV3 to Sky demonstrates the effect it's having.

As for UK residents, they previously were able to watch GAA through premier sports which cost only £10, now they need to pay an extra £30 to get Sky sports. At the time the deal was initially announced 11m had access to GAA through Premier Sports, that number went down to 4m with access to Sky.

People are talking about people being entitled for complaining about this deal but whenever something they'd previously had access to and it's now removed from them I can completely understand that they complain about it."
part and parcel of history is looking at the source conducting the research though and rouse clearly has an anti sky agenda when it comes to this topic so id hardly take his view as complete gospel...balance is crucial...and michael duignan tweeting about the lions game and slagging off sky then really does amuse me, the treatment the gaa get compared to other sporting organisations really is madness between sponsorship, tv deals etc

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 12/07/2017 21:49:16    2015832

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Replying To Whammo86:  "
Replying To GreenandRed:  "Seriously?

The evidence suggests 2 to 3 times more people go to a pub to watch a game when it's not free to air. They are also more likely to bring children to a pub to watch a match.

What evidence?

You seem to be implying that people are being forced to sign up to Sky or go the pub against their will. I think people have more cop on than that."
Look up Paul Rouse he's done the research on this.

People don't have to, but people are going to the pub to watch the games who don't when it's available free to air.

They don't have to pay for Sky but to not do so means they are unable to watch games that they otherwise would have been able to do so.

The price of watching is very expensive and I think it's a shame the GAA are putting there on profit over other people's access to our games.

The drop off in number of viewers from TV3 to Sky demonstrates the effect it's having.

As for UK residents, they previously were able to watch GAA through premier sports which cost only £10, now they need to pay an extra £30 to get Sky sports. At the time the deal was initially announced 11m had access to GAA through Premier Sports, that number went down to 4m with access to Sky.

People are talking about people being entitled for complaining about this deal but whenever something they'd previously had access to and it's now removed from them I can completely understand that they complain about it."
Have RTE ever shown Carlow's footballers live ? Sky will be showing them live next Saturday for the second time this season. RTE do not show a second of live Gaelic games from the conclusion of the All Ireland senior football championship to the start of the football championship the following year . That's eight months without a single second of live GAA. Absolutely nothing . No hurling, football, camogie or ladies football of any description. No National League in hurling or football. Michael Duignan was frothing at the mouth because his dad an 83 year old "savage hurling man" couldn't see Waterford playing Kilkenny last Saturday . Guess what, Tipp played Kilkenny in an absolutely thundering game in the league this year and his dad couldn't see that one either. Thankfully it was on Eir . When RTE finally deign to cover Gaelic Games people from the weaker counties have to make do with two minutes of highlights from a single camera with a talk over commentary. They are spoken about for thirty seconds and that's it . After eight months of waiting for live GAA Joe Brolly's opening sentence this season was, "The whole championship's a farce". This is the dung we have to put up with from RTE. The Sky deal is justified . The more competition there is the more the GAA can maximise their income and that is something The GAA are entitled to do . As I have already outlined RTE's track record of showing our games leaves a lot to be desired . They need to be put under pressure to improve their presentation . The Sky deal has done that . Finally placing people's consumption of alcohol at The GAA's door is a cheap shot . People who attend live matches generally make a day of it and consume more alcohol than they normally would . Are The GAA to be held responsible for that too .?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 12/07/2017 22:24:38    2015845

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Replying To Whammo86:  "
Replying To GreenandRed:  "Seriously?

The evidence suggests 2 to 3 times more people go to a pub to watch a game when it's not free to air. They are also more likely to bring children to a pub to watch a match.

What evidence?

You seem to be implying that people are being forced to sign up to Sky or go the pub against their will. I think people have more cop on than that."
Look up Paul Rouse he's done the research on this.

People don't have to, but people are going to the pub to watch the games who don't when it's available free to air.

They don't have to pay for Sky but to not do so means they are unable to watch games that they otherwise would have been able to do so.

The price of watching is very expensive and I think it's a shame the GAA are putting there on profit over other people's access to our games.

The drop off in number of viewers from TV3 to Sky demonstrates the effect it's having.

As for UK residents, they previously were able to watch GAA through premier sports which cost only £10, now they need to pay an extra £30 to get Sky sports. At the time the deal was initially announced 11m had access to GAA through Premier Sports, that number went down to 4m with access to Sky.

People are talking about people being entitled for complaining about this deal but whenever something they'd previously had access to and it's now removed from them I can completely understand that they complain about it."
It's unlikely though that TV3 will bid for GAA rights now that they have the 6 Nations.

In my worst-case scenario I'd be more annoyed with the GAA for their Super 8 plan and proposals for a B championship. Worst-case scenario because I think they're condescending to so-called weaker counties. There will be little or no chance that these counties will get national media attention, the GAA milking the Super 8 for the anticipated windfall. Already young players are experiencing burnout on the club, college, underage county, senior county treadmill. The U17 /U20 plan might ease but not fix that problem . If the 2023 World Cup bid is successful I think potential GAA players in B championship counties will see the GAA aren't interested in improving their standards and choose rugby. A bleak prospect I know but I could see that happening.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 13/07/2017 00:00:31    2015873

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RTE not free!!!!!!!!

TV license anyone?????.....................or you don't pay???

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 13/07/2017 08:00:39    2015904

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Replying To witnof:  "RTE not free!!!!!!!!

TV license anyone?????.....................or you don't pay???"
Free to air is a descriptive term, it doesn't mean it's literally free.

Every Sky user pays the license and the subscription is extra. The point still stands, people can afford free to air TV but not necessarily afford Sky.

Whether or not the license fee is fair or not is another debate altogether.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 13/07/2017 10:42:27    2015978

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2 to 3 times the people go to the pub to watch a game when it's not on terrestrial TV and they often bring their children with them. And they wonder why Ireland is full of alcoholics, the GAA should be putting a system in place where the pub isn't the centre of the world, give out some of the sky deal money in grants for every GAA club to put in televisions and satellite dishes in every club house so they can broadcast GAA games that are broadcast on sky, if the GAA don't want people to watch games in the comfort of their own home then the next option should be the local GAA club and not the nearest watering hole. Do I agree with the sky deal? No I have always been against it and wait until the super 8 nonsense begins next year and in future years sky will demand that games are played on Monday nights as well as Friday nights like soccer in England, they call the shots not the football association

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 13/07/2017 11:46:58    2016013

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