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Michael Duignan on Sky coverage and the GAA

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Replying To streaker:  "They could just illegally stream it like the rest of us?...."
Older people wouldn't be able to do that.
Lots of areas have zero broadband so again not possible

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 10/07/2017 11:25:42    2013847

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Putting to one side the egregious betrayal of the cultural and social pillars upon which the GAA was founded and thrived, can anyone explain to me how sky make any money out of this deal? i.e. have they seen an upswing in subscriptions, do they make much off the ads?

I dont know but it seems unlikely to me.

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 10/07/2017 11:29:55    2013849

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The biggest issue with the Sky deal has been the frankly pathetic viewing figures.

The pundits and coverage may well be the greatest thing to ever happen to us but most people will never know as they're not seeing it.

If a Sky Pundit makes a great point and no one hears it, did he actually say it?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13709 - 10/07/2017 11:41:42    2013862

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Big fan of Duignans but Dick Clerkin had a good tweet about this last night. Duignan was tweeting about the Lions match last week so obviously has sky access himself so the sob story about his father rings a bit hollow."
I don't think that's the point here. Whether Duignan himself has sky, or not, has no relevance to the matter, in my opinion. It's the principal that he or anyone shouldn't have to pay to watch our national sport, which is an amateur sport, in comparison to the lions match.
Perhaps the gaa should be doing more to ensure that a match like the KK v Waterford match is available free to watch on one of our national tv stations.

TomReilly (Monaghan) - Posts: 11 - 10/07/2017 11:59:20    2013884

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Replying To MesAmis:  "The biggest issue with the Sky deal has been the frankly pathetic viewing figures.

The pundits and coverage may well be the greatest thing to ever happen to us but most people will never know as they're not seeing it.

If a Sky Pundit makes a great point and no one hears it, did he actually say it?"
Excellent mes, I like that :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 10/07/2017 12:05:02    2013892

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Replying To TomReilly:  "I don't think that's the point here. Whether Duignan himself has sky, or not, has no relevance to the matter, in my opinion. It's the principal that he or anyone shouldn't have to pay to watch our national sport, which is an amateur sport, in comparison to the lions match.
Perhaps the gaa should be doing more to ensure that a match like the KK v Waterford match is available free to watch on one of our national tv stations."
It's not feasible or reasonable to expect that every game is live on "free" tv. By the logic that games should be free you shouldn't have to pay into matches even.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 10/07/2017 12:10:52    2013899

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He said this on the same program that then proceeded to show around 1 minute of the Carlow game and likewise with armagh. I'm sure there are plenty of old people in Carlow and armagh or Westmeath that would have liked to see some decent highlights of their games as they were unable to attend.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1594 - 10/07/2017 12:35:08    2013924

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Replying To Breffni39:  "It's not feasible or reasonable to expect that every game is live on "free" tv. By the logic that games should be free you shouldn't have to pay into matches even."
That's a fair point that not all matches should be available on free television. I don't agree however that on that same basis matches should be free to attend. I don't think that there'd be any smaller a crowd at that match in Thurles had it been on rte. The demand for tickets would have been just as high.
Also, I agree that not all matches should be shown on ''free'' television. I would have liked for the Monaghan v Wexford match to be shown on tv, however I understand that there was a much higher demand for the KK v Waterford match, and as such, I never expected for one minute the Monaghan qualifier game to to be shown. A match with such high demand such as the hurling game on Saturday, should have been available, as was the point Duignan was trying to make I believe.

TomReilly (Monaghan) - Posts: 11 - 10/07/2017 12:43:39    2013932

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Fair play Michael well said.

Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 595 - 10/07/2017 12:58:18    2013953

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he is 100% right and about time a pundit said it!

do we want to join the uk again? truely pathetic

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 10/07/2017 13:03:37    2013963

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Big fan of Duignans but Dick Clerkin had a good tweet about this last night. Duignan was tweeting about the Lions match last week so obviously has sky access himself so the sob story about his father rings a bit hollow."
Is Micahel Duignan to drive from his home a good 30 miles from his fathers residence and collect him to go and watch the match at his house, or bring him out in Banagher to watch the match???...he may want to and all that but why should he??...the premier league is professional paying its players so comparing premier league and Gary Nevile etc to Duignan in so ridiculous as posted in other posts....I drove back home from my mothers house on Saturday evening to be able to see the match on Sky..Duignan has a point....

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 10/07/2017 13:14:54    2013980

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Replying To tearintom:  "It's actually not a myth though, it's true.

On sky they actually analyse the games themselves which is alien these days to RTÉ, particularly on the football side of things, to b fair there's not much difference in the sky anaysls and the RTÉ when it comes to hurling.

On RTÉ on the football side of things we have analysts incapable of analysing anything without criticism, genuinely incapable of talking anything up without first having to knock something down. It's analysis full of agendas and a policy of each analyst trying to get one up on the other. Sky actually analyse the games, look at the tactics and the approach of teams.

As for duignan surely he could have brought his dad over to his own house to watch the game, seeing as he has previously been commenting on the lions games he's been watching on sky judging by his twitter comments!

The sky thing has been done to death at this stage,"
'As for duignan surely he could have brought his dad over to his own house to watch the game, seeing as he has previously been commenting on the lions games he's been watching on sky judging by his twitter comments!

The sky thing has been done to death at this stage,
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts:564 - 10/07/2017 09:52:27 201372'

I presume Duignan was in Thurles watching KK v Waterford for RTE analysis Sunday night. A little difficult to be with his dad in his home at the same time.

KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 10/07/2017 13:24:44    2013996

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Replying To perfect10:  "duignan is 100% wrong here.
the gaa,like any other sporting entity,are entitled to sell their rights to whoever they want.
imagine gary neville saying that the premier league were wrong to sell the rights to bt sport,"because the premier league have plenty of money".ffs get with the times michael,it is not your place to offer an opinion on who the gaa sell the rights to."
Silly post. No one is 100% wrong or 100% right when it comes to opinion, which is what Duignan offered.

'Get with the times'.. spare a thought for previous generations who worked so hard to build this country. All sections of society need to be looked after, not just the young and under 65 who are more tech savy etc.

KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 10/07/2017 13:28:25    2014004

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Replying To KK1926:  "Silly post. No one is 100% wrong or 100% right when it comes to opinion, which is what Duignan offered.

'Get with the times'.. spare a thought for previous generations who worked so hard to build this country. All sections of society need to be looked after, not just the young and under 65 who are more tech savy etc."
well hang on while i get the fiddle out.
michael duignan is offering his opinion to an audience of hundreds of thousands of people.his opinion carries weight,it is not his place to offer it given who is paying his wages,i.e. the gaa.
regardless of whether previous generations built the country or whatever,the world cant stay still and life changes.
sure there are people who wont drive on motorways,does that mean we shouldnt build them?

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 10/07/2017 13:40:34    2014026

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I can't see a problem with anything he said to be honest. He gave an opinion which reflects the talk going on in GAA circles.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 10/07/2017 13:47:07    2014035

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There are lots of Irish people in the UK who's only access to Gaelic Games is through sky tv. Because for some strange reason RTE is not available .
Now most other nationalities in the U.K. Can receive their home channels but not the Irish .
So Sky is a welcome blessing to the Irish there.
So duignan should pull his horns in and look at the bigger picture.
The interest in these games are world wide now. Irish people all over the world are just as much entitled to watch them and duignans mother and father are.
People in the U.K. Have no problem paying to see them. They just want the option of seeing the matches.
Irish government or RTE or whoever is to blame don't offer that option.
The GAA and sky do. And fair play to them and long may it continue.
I actually wish sky showed the lot.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 10/07/2017 13:54:03    2014042

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Replying To perfect10:  "well hang on while i get the fiddle out.
michael duignan is offering his opinion to an audience of hundreds of thousands of people.his opinion carries weight,it is not his place to offer it given who is paying his wages,i.e. the gaa.
regardless of whether previous generations built the country or whatever,the world cant stay still and life changes.
sure there are people who wont drive on motorways,does that mean we shouldnt build them?"
There's balance though Perfect10. You obviously have little to do with the older generation or as another poster pointed out realise there's no broadband in most of rural Ireland. The hurling and gaa heartlands.

Silly comparison again. Driving on motorways is something older people may not be able to do due to age, most of the same can enjoy a match on tv though.

Put your violin back in..i doubt you're able to play it.

KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 10/07/2017 14:01:41    2014053

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "There are lots of Irish people in the UK who's only access to Gaelic Games is through sky tv. Because for some strange reason RTE is not available .
Now most other nationalities in the U.K. Can receive their home channels but not the Irish .
So Sky is a welcome blessing to the Irish there.
So duignan should pull his horns in and look at the bigger picture.
The interest in these games are world wide now. Irish people all over the world are just as much entitled to watch them and duignans mother and father are.
People in the U.K. Have no problem paying to see them. They just want the option of seeing the matches.
Irish government or RTE or whoever is to blame don't offer that option.
The GAA and sky do. And fair play to them and long may it continue.
I actually wish sky showed the lot."
Completely agree with you there, I have the same issue as yourself and actually enjoy the Sky coverage. I think that he should have kept his cheeper shut about a rival network and realise that no TV network has a divine right to show any sport nowadays and we are in a subscription & PPV era.

thesilverfox (Tipperary) - Posts: 94 - 10/07/2017 14:02:29    2014055

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Also Duignan's father did actually see the match. He went to the pub to watch it. Not the biggest hardship in the world all things considered. Certainly a lot better than it not being broadcast at all like the majority of matches.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 10/07/2017 14:04:50    2014059

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Well if the best the 'free to air' can offer is their abysmal analysis on the qualifiers then I am happy for Sky to get involved. The highlights from those games was a joke and the comments were blatantly inaccurate....I don't believe Gooch watched the games at all. He may have known McManus was black carded early in the game (inexplicably) instead of 'flying' per his quote. The ref was terrible in Mon v Wex he gave awful decisions against Wexford and I think tried to balance his bad calls by giving a card to Conor McManus. The ref was awful it seems in Westmeath V Armagh but again no analysis given or no talking points. I am a fan of the SG and RTE but Duignan is full of nonsense on this one...If we want more premium coverage then Sky or other pay per view service must be involved and they will only do that if there are good ties on offer to them.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 10/07/2017 14:12:36    2014077

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