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Michael Duignan on Sky coverage and the GAA

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Replying To Laois76:  "That's the point though. There's a big difference between the Lions and our amateur National Games.

In 1995 Louth v Dublin was the first non semi final gaa game broadcast live whereby a number of gaa games were broadcast other than all ireland semi finals. We had once off like Waterford v Tipp in the 100th Munster hurling final in 1989 and the first round of the Munster hurling championship, Tipp v Cork in 1992.

Gaelic games always professed to be the game of the people. The ethos was built on the club, the grass root and voluntary input. Pre 1995 broadcasting matches before all-ireland semi final stage didn't take place. However throughout from about 2000 up until 2014 a game like Kilkenny and Waterford would have more than likely been broadcast by RTE. The GAA broke with it's roots and ethos when it made the Sky deal."
Excellent post couldn't agree with you more.
I think sky have good pundits such as JJ and Jamesie but the studio is so scripted and fake, more time spent fluting around with the touch screen, and that host fella pointing his finger all the time ...

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1910 - 10/07/2017 08:22:24    2013639

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Replying To football first:  "Very few people would disagree with Duignan's main point about free to air coverage, but there are two weaknesses to his argument:
1) he is a paid employee of RTE, so his position is compromised by this
2) lots of other good games were not covered live at the weekend. Personally, for example, I'd love to have seen the Cavan/Tipp game live on TV. It is not possible to broadcast every game live, so the rant against SKY slightly misses the point."
In fairness now, far more people would want to watch Waterford v Kilkenny in hurling than watch Cavan v Tipperary in football.Waterford v Kilkenny was an All-Ireland semi final and thrilling replay last year.The gaa got a lot of taxpayers money for Croke park redevelopment and I've always regarded selling games to Sky Sports exclusively as questionable to say the least.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2166 - 10/07/2017 08:26:38    2013643

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"The Sky deal is so wrong on so many levels"......said the RTE pundit.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 10/07/2017 08:49:22    2013656

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He's 100% right.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2550 - 10/07/2017 09:03:41    2013665

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Replying To KK1926:  "Sick of this myth of Sky pundits being better. It's all so sanitised and boring for both codes. Bit of flash technology doesn't enhance punditry to any great extent. Great article by Eamonn Sweeney today on Hold the Back Page in the SIndo about the merits of the Sunday Game as opposed to the alien feel of Sky.

And Brolly had a point about Sky throwing in a bit of eye candy as a presenter too. All very modern and shallow."
And slightly misogynistic of Brolly.............that well known RTE pundit! I'm not crazy about the Sky deal myself but that's the road things have gone now and it isn't going to change. I will say one thing, the pundits on Sky generally call a game as they see it. Too many of the RTE guys seem to have personal agendas these days. And Brolly is as good at that craic as anyone.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 10/07/2017 09:24:01    2013685

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I believe RTE are getting away unscathed here. RTE had the opportunity to secure exclusive rights but choose not to do this. If they had they could have shown as many games as they wanted.

However our national broadcaster seems to be more interested in securing the rights to competitions which Ireland do not compete in i.e Confederations Cup, Champions League etc. Lets not forget that they did not show any of Dundalks run last year until the final knock out games even though they had the rights.

The same broadcaster gave up its rights to the Pro 12, Heineken Cup etc. the list goes on and on.

Now the lose of these can be argued to be a commercial decision by RTE and if that the case then they need to come out and say. Blaming the GAA for these things is not right in my opinion. People throw around the money argument regarding the Sky Deal but if we want to be honest about it, if money was the driving issue, the GAA would have given the sole right to Sky for alot more money than whats currently on the table.

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 399 - 10/07/2017 09:28:15    2013690

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The SKY deal is so right for the GAA.

People saying it was for money cannot back it up because the GAA got more or less the same as from TV3.

They signed SKY to rattle RTE's cage. And they have done so. RTE's coverage is very very poor and there to highlight the negative. Compare to TnaG and it is no wonder the GAA search alternatives.

Take the Sunday Game off Duignan and Brolly and they become ex has-been footballers.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 10/07/2017 09:38:22    2013704

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Replying To icehonesty:  "He's 100% right."
As a matter of interest did Michael mention that until 2022 at least, RTE will broadcast 31 games games including all provincial hurling and football finals, both All-Ireland hurling and two All-Ireland football quarter-finals, and the All-Ireland semi-finals and finals in both football and hurling.

Whereas Sky will broadcast 14 exclusive games = less than half the games that RTE will broadcast. First world problems lads/lassies.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 10/07/2017 09:42:58    2013711

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RTE could tighten up on its Sunday night program for a start. Last night they had the token one camera at the football qualifiers - which is fine. Only show a few random scores and then during the Tipp v Cavan highlights showed a cross field pass to nobody and that was it - that was a highlight! Crazy

Tim_NicebutDim (Monaghan) - Posts: 347 - 10/07/2017 09:46:23    2013715

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Replying To juicy:  "I believe RTE are getting away unscathed here. RTE had the opportunity to secure exclusive rights but choose not to do this. If they had they could have shown as many games as they wanted.

However our national broadcaster seems to be more interested in securing the rights to competitions which Ireland do not compete in i.e Confederations Cup, Champions League etc. Lets not forget that they did not show any of Dundalks run last year until the final knock out games even though they had the rights.

The same broadcaster gave up its rights to the Pro 12, Heineken Cup etc. the list goes on and on.

Now the lose of these can be argued to be a commercial decision by RTE and if that the case then they need to come out and say. Blaming the GAA for these things is not right in my opinion. People throw around the money argument regarding the Sky Deal but if we want to be honest about it, if money was the driving issue, the GAA would have given the sole right to Sky for alot more money than whats currently on the table."
TV3 offered the same as sky first time.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 10/07/2017 09:48:23    2013717

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Replying To KK1926:  "Sick of this myth of Sky pundits being better. It's all so sanitised and boring for both codes. Bit of flash technology doesn't enhance punditry to any great extent. Great article by Eamonn Sweeney today on Hold the Back Page in the SIndo about the merits of the Sunday Game as opposed to the alien feel of Sky.

And Brolly had a point about Sky throwing in a bit of eye candy as a presenter too. All very modern and shallow."
It's actually not a myth though, it's true.

On sky they actually analyse the games themselves which is alien these days to RTÉ, particularly on the football side of things, to b fair there's not much difference in the sky anaysls and the RTÉ when it comes to hurling.

On RTÉ on the football side of things we have analysts incapable of analysing anything without criticism, genuinely incapable of talking anything up without first having to knock something down. It's analysis full of agendas and a policy of each analyst trying to get one up on the other. Sky actually analyse the games, look at the tactics and the approach of teams.

As for duignan surely he could have brought his dad over to his own house to watch the game, seeing as he has previously been commenting on the lions games he's been watching on sky judging by his twitter comments!

The sky thing has been done to death at this stage,

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1338 - 10/07/2017 09:52:27    2013721

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This was posted as a new thread but as the subject matter is the same it has been incorporated here.

Laois76
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Laois

09/07/2017
22:24

Michael Duignan Comments on Sky coverage and the GAA


Duignan very strong tonight on KK v Waterford having not been on free to air tv. I know this debate has been done to death but it won't go away. Totally agree re. elderly gaa supporters who aren't pub goers.

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2274 - 10/07/2017 10:01:09    2013733

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This was posted as a new thread but as the subject matter is the same it has been incorporated here.

mrsme
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09/07/2017
22:28

SUNDAY GAME PART 2


Well said Micheal a joke that the game last night was on sky had to watch it in a pub as a recovering alcoholic. 12 years without a drink and needing to go to a pub to watch it not on the gaa is an irish sport and should be enjoyed by the irish people. im lucky enough to be able to to do it but what about others in recovery never mind the elderly of this country that dont have the pleasure of being able to pay for sky. complete joke the gaa has sold their soul to sky boycott all games should happen but like me and so many others it wont happen

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2274 - 10/07/2017 10:02:30    2013737

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duignan is 100% wrong here.
the gaa,like any other sporting entity,are entitled to sell their rights to whoever they want.
imagine gary neville saying that the premier league were wrong to sell the rights to bt sport,"because the premier league have plenty of money".ffs get with the times michael,it is not your place to offer an opinion on who the gaa sell the rights to.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 10/07/2017 10:14:04    2013762

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Replying To perfect10:  "duignan is 100% wrong here.
the gaa,like any other sporting entity,are entitled to sell their rights to whoever they want.
imagine gary neville saying that the premier league were wrong to sell the rights to bt sport,"because the premier league have plenty of money".ffs get with the times michael,it is not your place to offer an opinion on who the gaa sell the rights to."
Your not comparing like with like , the GAA and teams are not paying their players

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1910 - 10/07/2017 10:41:53    2013800

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Big fan of Duignans but Dick Clerkin had a good tweet about this last night. Duignan was tweeting about the Lions match last week so obviously has sky access himself so the sob story about his father rings a bit hollow.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 10/07/2017 10:47:29    2013809

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Replying To witnof:  "The SKY deal is so right for the GAA.

People saying it was for money cannot back it up because the GAA got more or less the same as from TV3.

They signed SKY to rattle RTE's cage. And they have done so. RTE's coverage is very very poor and there to highlight the negative. Compare to TnaG and it is no wonder the GAA search alternatives.

Take the Sunday Game off Duignan and Brolly and they become ex has-been footballers."
Michael Duignan is an All Ireland winning Offaly hurler. He had a few games with the footballers.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 10/07/2017 11:01:06    2013818

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Replying To Bon:  "Your not comparing like with like , the GAA and teams are not paying their players"
but,whether or not the gaa are playing their players is irrelevant,the money got goes for grants,etc instead of into wayne rooneys pocket.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 10/07/2017 11:02:18    2013821

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Replying To Bon:  "Your not comparing like with like , the GAA and teams are not paying their players"
They're still entitled to sell the rights to whatever broadcasting companies are bidding. Though they should stop with the lie that it's to promote the games abroad. With an amateur workforce, the players, giving blood sweat and tears to bring in the paying customers, loads of endorsement deals, it's hard for me to believe that all money is going back down to grassroots and some GAA suits aren't lining their pockets.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 10/07/2017 11:08:43    2013831

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Replying To streaker:  "They could just illegally stream it like the rest of us?...."
Older people wouldn't be able to do that.
Lots of areas have zero broadband so again not possible

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 10/07/2017 11:25:41    2013846

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