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Will be hard to beat this Cork team. Huge scope for improvement.
Only 2 forwards Horgan and Cadogan performed to their capabilities.
When all 6 perform, we'll beat any team in the country.
The defence looks solid.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 11/07/2017 00:22:14    2014641

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Cork won because
1. They had better hurlers
2. They trusted their forwards to win their own ball
3. They believed they were the better team, rather than just thinking they had to play to system A, system B, system C.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 11/07/2017 08:33:21    2014687

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Replying To Rockies:  "Will be hard to beat this Cork team. Huge scope for improvement.
Only 2 forwards Horgan and Cadogan performed to their capabilities.
When all 6 perform, we'll beat any team in the country.
The defence looks solid."
Yep it's just a matter of how many in a row ye will do, 3, 4, maybe even the famous 5 in a row......

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 11/07/2017 09:09:44    2014705

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Replying To therealtmo:  "Yep it's just a matter of how many in a row ye will do, 3, 4, maybe even the famous 5 in a row......"
Why stop at 5?

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 11/07/2017 11:08:11    2014792

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Replying To Rockies:  "Will be hard to beat this Cork team. Huge scope for improvement.
Only 2 forwards Horgan and Cadogan performed to their capabilities.
When all 6 perform, we'll beat any team in the country.
The defence looks solid."
Yes Rockies yet again you make a valid point for sure some of the forwards were not on there a game and still racked up a score of 1-25 that type of score will win most games we roll on

blackrockeddie (Cork) - Posts: 160 - 11/07/2017 14:07:10    2014953

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Replying To Pinkie:  "Cork won because
1. They had better hurlers
2. They trusted their forwards to win their own ball
3. They believed they were the better team, rather than just thinking they had to play to system A, system B, system C."
Clare gave the Cork defenders too much time to pick out their men. The lads in the Clare fullback line were on a hiding to nothing as there was far too much space in front of them. The Clare halfbacks needed to filter back and didn't. If anything any 50/50 ball into the Clare defence was won by a Clare man. Cork didn't play too many 50/50 balls in there and that was the winning of the game IMO.
Clare can kick themselves as they were well in the game, had it down to two points a few times in the second half but failed to keep the pressure on Cork. Hitting the goal frame twice and Cunningham getting poleaxed and missed by the ref caused them problems.
Any talk of Cork being AI contenders is a bit premature as I'd fancy both Tipp and Waterford to beat them if they meet again. Both are gathering momentum through the qualifiers and Cork will be sitting on their hands for a few weeks stewing in expectation of that huge support.

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 11/07/2017 15:09:23    2015004

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Replying To Ban:  "Why stop at 5?"
As Conor McGregor said about Nate Diaz....When the interviewer asked Conor and Nate to calm down and count to 10...Conor quipped that Nate can only count to 5

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 11/07/2017 15:31:07    2015015

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Patrick Horgan could easily have got a red in the first half. It was a mistimed and dangerous tackle. The problem I have is with people saying he meant it. I've seen Horgan play loads of times for club and county. He plays the game. There were some complaints from cork supporters in past years that he wasn't fighting for the ball enough. Perhaps he's just not used to this tackle business!

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 643 - 11/07/2017 15:55:54    2015024

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A lot of talk about Horgan tackle but reality was it was no worse than Cian Dillon's on Cadogan in the 2nd half......Clare very lucky also that there is no black card in hurling or their whole backline would have been off as blatantly obvious that the tactic was to foul the man breaking through every time.....number of Clare backs who were penalised for trips/dragging down was clear evidence there was a pre-mediated and deliberate decision to play that way.

Hoggie's tackle was OTT but was more mistimed than malicious and yellow was correct call......Tipp will be hard to beat no doubt but I don't expect Waterford to beat Wexford never mind anyone else....yes if they are allowed to hurl but they are being stifled by this tactically play which adds no real value to the bunch of fine hurlers they have

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 11/07/2017 16:19:21    2015045

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "A lot of talk about Horgan tackle but reality was it was no worse than Cian Dillon's on Cadogan in the 2nd half......Clare very lucky also that there is no black card in hurling or their whole backline would have been off as blatantly obvious that the tactic was to foul the man breaking through every time.....number of Clare backs who were penalised for trips/dragging down was clear evidence there was a pre-mediated and deliberate decision to play that way.

Hoggie's tackle was OTT but was more mistimed than malicious and yellow was correct call......Tipp will be hard to beat no doubt but I don't expect Waterford to beat Wexford never mind anyone else....yes if they are allowed to hurl but they are being stifled by this tactically play which adds no real value to the bunch of fine hurlers they have"
It was reckless and should have been a straight red. Players owe a duty of care to their fellow players. Any player going in to hit a lad and lets face it he was going in to hit the fella, need to make sure that they get it right and if they don't the walk. Thing is he didn't even need to make that tackle.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 11/07/2017 17:04:57    2015086

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Easy to talk, but not so easy to do. Aeons ago in my own playing days, I slapped a guy on the side of the head while trying to hook him (no helmets in those days). Ref let play continue. Guy wasn't too pleased with it, but eventually accepted that it was an accident.

In last years league in Pairc Ui Roinn, Aidan Walsh, putting up his hand to catch the ball was hit full in the faceguard by Austin Gleeson, trying to flick the ball away. Walsh went down, play continued and Waterford scored a point. The positive outcome of it was that it woke Cork up and they outplayed Waterford for the last 20 minutes (too late, though!)

Those things happen; the players accept them and move on; the supporters should, too.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 643 - 11/07/2017 19:29:09    2015194

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Westfester
I absolutely disagree with you that Pat Horgan should not have been sent off in 2013. He struck Paudie O'Brien's helmet when he had no hope of hitting the ball. The pull was dangerous and he deserved to walk."
Ridiculous. It was rescinded after and it didn't need Joe Brolly to be brought in either.

Also, if you call that "a pull" then God help ya. He tapped his helmet trying to play the ball.

However, I think he was very lucky to escape a red card on Sunday. Whether he meant it or not isn't necessarily the point. A reckless hit is a reckless hit.

Be careful though as I would say that there could have been a few sent off following that logic and would be worse seen in every game played this year.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 11/07/2017 22:04:29    2015280

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Replying To bricktop:  "Clare gave the Cork defenders too much time to pick out their men. The lads in the Clare fullback line were on a hiding to nothing as there was far too much space in front of them. The Clare halfbacks needed to filter back and didn't. If anything any 50/50 ball into the Clare defence was won by a Clare man. Cork didn't play too many 50/50 balls in there and that was the winning of the game IMO.
Clare can kick themselves as they were well in the game, had it down to two points a few times in the second half but failed to keep the pressure on Cork. Hitting the goal frame twice and Cunningham getting poleaxed and missed by the ref caused them problems.
Any talk of Cork being AI contenders is a bit premature as I'd fancy both Tipp and Waterford to beat them if they meet again. Both are gathering momentum through the qualifiers and Cork will be sitting on their hands for a few weeks stewing in expectation of that huge support."
I agree that it is early to be talking about Cork as definitely making it through to September, and can see that any one of the teams Cork have beaten would fancy their chances in a rematch, as would Cork.

However, you would have to put them up as contenders with all of the remaining 6 teams.

If I had my own bookie shop in the morning, I would make Galway favourites, then Cork with Tipp a very close 3rd and the remaining 3 at similar odds. However, I would not be surprised if any of them lifted the big prize.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 11/07/2017 22:11:10    2015285

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Replying To endgame:  "Too high of a turnover for what was a young Clare team in 2013.I remember in the drawn game in 2013 an outstanding Conor Ryan who was man of the match from centre back.Think there was also a Colin Ryan.Wonder what happened to those players.Didn't Clare win 3 U21 All-Ireland titles in a few years and they have no senior Munster title to show and just the senior title in 2013.Think Clare have underachieved with their U21s who were real quality."
For a county that had only won 3 All Irelands and 3 National Leagues in their entire history it was some achievement to win an All Ireland and National League within a few years, As a Limerick man I would gladly swap that 13 All Ireland for the Munster Title our boys won that year.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 11/07/2017 22:17:08    2015291

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