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I don't think Ciaran Thompson was injured in the Ulster Championship last year bar maybe the first game but I stand to be corrected on that. Ciaran Gillespie got introduced by default. I really don't think he would have were it not for basically no other options. Eoghan Ban did not get any game time as far as I am aware in the Ulster Championship instead there were players reintroduced after getting taken off. As for the posters backing RG have u really been following the situation closely? I think most Donegal supporters who have do not have the wool pulled over there eyes. I wiped the slate clean with RG this year and seen some improvements in the league but then a return to the same ol same ol. What Jim done was incredible. He was and is a tactical genius but was he done more than anything else was show Donegal players to actually reach their potential after years of under achievement. I think that is why supporters expectations have raised as they know what these lads are capable of. For me I would have been more than happy with staying in Division 1 as I thought Donegal were near certainties to go down at the start of the league. Then a decent showing against Tyrone in Ulster with a run in the qualifiers with the condition that Donegal showed more variation in their play and show real signs of progress in this regard. We quite simply have not seen this and what is more Donegal have lost their defensive edge with class acts like MM and Ryan McHugh playing nowhere near their best which is really really worrying. I have great belief in the players there and the young lads coming through. I have no doubt in a couple of years when conditioning is brought up to the required levels necessary Donegal can be really competitive again with the top teams but I have no faith of this under the current regime and I just do not see that changing.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts:744 - 05/07/2017 13:55:01


Great post panamasam,
You are right regarding last year, despite outstanding league appearances by both Gillespie and Thompson, Gillespie only got a chance due to Injuries forcing it, and Thompson seen no Championship time. I agree with the other stuff mentioned too.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1121 - 05/07/2017 20:11:46    2011166

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Meath have better footballers than kildare but it didn't help."
Only seen this now...Dear Lord Royaldunne this comment is a joke.I would ask you to explain this but you have ignored everyone who has asked you to?? Seriously if you could it would be an interesting read ? Or maybe for once you might admit your wrong??

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 05/07/2017 20:25:42    2011175

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Meath have better footballers than kildare but it didn't help."
I hope the optician hurries up with those glasses for you before the weekend!!

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 05/07/2017 20:39:19    2011191

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Ahh sure I have to be optimistic, too many negative people from Meath around these days. I swear its the mayo blood in them whingers" as enda said :).
Anyhow we have a chance, I do think its 50/50.
If we recapture the form from league towards end I think we will win, of course Donegal will feel the same.
Got me tickets , whole crew going , cant wait. Its days like this that as a fan you love, Donegal in a knock out match in Navan, what more could a real GAA man ask for ?"
RD
When the game is over and you get time lets have your honest opinion of where you think Donegal are at
Hopefully we change our tactics and play a bit of an attacking game as I don't want to hear about us again having 14 men behind the ball
We want to improve an awful lot or if we do not we are out on Sat night
Always followed Donegal football and thought we might do well in Ulster this year but I doubt if we know where we stand at present
If we get beat on Sat all I want to read about Sunday is that the Donegal management have packed it in
And I'm not being disrespectful to Meath

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 05/07/2017 20:48:57    2011194

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I would expect Donegal to win. Gallagher has had to introduce a lot of young players at the same time, which is never an ideal situation. At the same time some players like the McHughs and McGlynn have hit patchy form. It takes time for for the newer and 'older' players to gel and to develop the necessary confidence and belief in each others play, to become a confident, compact team capable of competing for the top awards. The 'back-door' may be very beneficial to this group of players.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 05/07/2017 21:12:32    2011206

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Replying To panamasam:  "I don't think Ciaran Thompson was injured in the Ulster Championship last year bar maybe the first game but I stand to be corrected on that. Ciaran Gillespie got introduced by default. I really don't think he would have were it not for basically no other options. Eoghan Ban did not get any game time as far as I am aware in the Ulster Championship instead there were players reintroduced after getting taken off. As for the posters backing RG have u really been following the situation closely? I think most Donegal supporters who have do not have the wool pulled over there eyes. I wiped the slate clean with RG this year and seen some improvements in the league but then a return to the same ol same ol. What Jim done was incredible. He was and is a tactical genius but was he done more than anything else was show Donegal players to actually reach their potential after years of under achievement. I think that is why supporters expectations have raised as they know what these lads are capable of. For me I would have been more than happy with staying in Division 1 as I thought Donegal were near certainties to go down at the start of the league. Then a decent showing against Tyrone in Ulster with a run in the qualifiers with the condition that Donegal showed more variation in their play and show real signs of progress in this regard. We quite simply have not seen this and what is more Donegal have lost their defensive edge with class acts like MM and Ryan McHugh playing nowhere near their best which is really really worrying. I have great belief in the players there and the young lads coming through. I have no doubt in a couple of years when conditioning is brought up to the required levels necessary Donegal can be really competitive again with the top teams but I have no faith of this under the current regime and I just do not see that changing."
I know Panam that you are really frustrated with the Manager but regardless of what system of play you have you must be tenacious in defence,Win at least 50/50 primary poscession and breaks in Midfield and be able to kick the ball over the bar don't think the Manager would be telling the players not to perform these basic functions.Regarding the intensity and scoringI think that will be improved but I am not sure about solving our centre field issues.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1059 - 05/07/2017 21:22:53    2011210

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Replying To grahamc9897:  "Only seen this now...Dear Lord Royaldunne this comment is a joke.I would ask you to explain this but you have ignored everyone who has asked you to?? Seriously if you could it would be an interesting read ? Or maybe for once you might admit your wrong??"
Since you were so nice to me on Meath forum earlier on i will explain.
Too many lillies (they had a thread about how all them disappeared after geezer got boot and the Cavan man went back to his home county.
They then have nerve to talk down to those of us real supporters that remain on here in the good and bad times. I remember back to when we beat them in 14 not a squeak, so it's my mission to wind up at least a few of them once a week. Id advise you to look away when they play dubs. Of course it doesn't apply to my good friend lillywhite1, as long on here as myself and one hell of a knowledgeable guy, look their going apoplectic, its funny. :)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 05/07/2017 21:36:25    2011223

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Is the Meath/Kildare match on the telly. I'm away that day but would love to sneak off and we have the match.

hootervillian (Meath) - Posts: 308 - 05/07/2017 21:57:58    2011239

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "shades of 2009?? did you not see the massacre Donegal dished out to Antrim in the first round? I wouldn't worry about any 14 point trimmings by Cork this year either, they'd struggle to put 14 points on the board in a match their shooting has been that bad. I wouldn't say expectations have nose dived, more so they have balanced off since the departure of Jim. What Jim achieved with Donegal was above and beyond expectations of anyone in the county. I don't know if there is anyone in the game who could uphold those standards. I wouldn't be RG's biggest fan personally, but I think he's done pretty well in that poisoned chalice position."
Didnt mean to focus on Antrim or Cork,
Similar to 2009 in that after a reversal in Ulster (substitute Tyrone for Antrim) a team could splutter on against lower league teams and stumble into a quarter final against a strong contender ( perhaps Kerry,obviously not Cork) Was referring to how Donegal expectations have changed since May after a decent league campaign.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 507 - 05/07/2017 22:50:39    2011257

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Since you were so nice to me on Meath forum earlier on i will explain.
Too many lillies (they had a thread about how all them disappeared after geezer got boot and the Cavan man went back to his home county.
They then have nerve to talk down to those of us real supporters that remain on here in the good and bad times. I remember back to when we beat them in 14 not a squeak, so it's my mission to wind up at least a few of them once a week. Id advise you to look away when they play dubs. Of course it doesn't apply to my good friend lillywhite1, as long on here as myself and one hell of a knowledgeable guy, look their going apoplectic, its funny. :)"
What about when the Monaghan man went home and you turned him from a division 1 manager into a division 4 manager in the process? We'd be less apoplectic if you didn't have us laughing so much!

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 05/07/2017 23:01:34    2011260

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Since you were so nice to me on Meath forum earlier on i will explain.
Too many lillies (they had a thread about how all them disappeared after geezer got boot and the Cavan man went back to his home county.
They then have nerve to talk down to those of us real supporters that remain on here in the good and bad times. I remember back to when we beat them in 14 not a squeak, so it's my mission to wind up at least a few of them once a week. Id advise you to look away when they play dubs. Of course it doesn't apply to my good friend lillywhite1, as long on here as myself and one hell of a knowledgeable guy, look their going apoplectic, its funny. :)"
You certainly are your own man ! Fair enough :)

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 06/07/2017 07:32:02    2011294

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Since you were so nice to me on Meath forum earlier on i will explain.
Too many lillies (they had a thread about how all them disappeared after geezer got boot and the Cavan man went back to his home county.
They then have nerve to talk down to those of us real supporters that remain on here in the good and bad times. I remember back to when we beat them in 14 not a squeak, so it's my mission to wind up at least a few of them once a week. Id advise you to look away when they play dubs. Of course it doesn't apply to my good friend lillywhite1, as long on here as myself and one hell of a knowledgeable guy, look their going apoplectic, its funny. :)"
This is completely childish carry on.

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 495 - 06/07/2017 08:04:05    2011307

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Replying To Commodore:  "I don't think Ciaran Thompson was injured in the Ulster Championship last year bar maybe the first game but I stand to be corrected on that. Ciaran Gillespie got introduced by default. I really don't think he would have were it not for basically no other options. Eoghan Ban did not get any game time as far as I am aware in the Ulster Championship instead there were players reintroduced after getting taken off. As for the posters backing RG have u really been following the situation closely? I think most Donegal supporters who have do not have the wool pulled over there eyes. I wiped the slate clean with RG this year and seen some improvements in the league but then a return to the same ol same ol. What Jim done was incredible. He was and is a tactical genius but was he done more than anything else was show Donegal players to actually reach their potential after years of under achievement. I think that is why supporters expectations have raised as they know what these lads are capable of. For me I would have been more than happy with staying in Division 1 as I thought Donegal were near certainties to go down at the start of the league. Then a decent showing against Tyrone in Ulster with a run in the qualifiers with the condition that Donegal showed more variation in their play and show real signs of progress in this regard. We quite simply have not seen this and what is more Donegal have lost their defensive edge with class acts like MM and Ryan McHugh playing nowhere near their best which is really really worrying. I have great belief in the players there and the young lads coming through. I have no doubt in a couple of years when conditioning is brought up to the required levels necessary Donegal can be really competitive again with the top teams but I have no faith of this under the current regime and I just do not see that changing.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts:744 - 05/07/2017 13:55:01


Great post panamasam,
You are right regarding last year, despite outstanding league appearances by both Gillespie and Thompson, Gillespie only got a chance due to Injuries forcing it, and Thompson seen no Championship time. I agree with the other stuff mentioned too."
Ciaran Thompson was definitely out for a 5 or 6 week period as he played for the under 21's when injured and missed time after that so would of missed alot of training. Eoin Ban came on in a couple of games in the league and championship and I remember this because he looked about 12 and was obviously not physically ready for senior football and it's debateable if he is this year but he'll be a top player in the years to come. Gillespie got in because of Neil McGee getting suspended and because he had already played in the league and done well he got in ahead of the likes of a more experienced Eamon Doherty which was a great show of faith from the management. Out of curiosity who would you and Pan of dropped in place of Gillespie assuming everyone else was fit and available for selection?I thought Rory got our starting teams bang on last year and was always happy with the team he selected. He let himself down with his use of the bench and tactically in big games and although his use of the bench has improved this year the tactics haven't. I completely understand and agree with supporters not being happy with Rory tactictally but to say he should of played younger players last year who don't look physically up to it this year is absolute nonsense.

Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 06/07/2017 08:25:35    2011322

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If they can free up Ryan McHugh a bit more and Frank McGlynn hits some form they will be fine for the next couple of rounds. Easier said then done maybe but they can still put a run together if things go well. I wonder what the Donegal posters think of McGlynn at the moment? He was such an intense runner for the last 7 or 8 years is he slowing down a little bit. I played against him a few years back, class act and scored a few points from play that day from centre back but he certainly doesn't look like the same man this year.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 06/07/2017 08:28:26    2011324

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "If they can free up Ryan McHugh a bit more and Frank McGlynn hits some form they will be fine for the next couple of rounds. Easier said then done maybe but they can still put a run together if things go well. I wonder what the Donegal posters think of McGlynn at the moment? He was such an intense runner for the last 7 or 8 years is he slowing down a little bit. I played against him a few years back, class act and scored a few points from play that day from centre back but he certainly doesn't look like the same man this year."
Frank has been an absolutely fantastic footballer for Donegal. One of my favourite memories of 2012 was in the semi final against Cork where he galloped up the field, shook off Aiden Walsh and clipped over a beauty off his weaker left foot. I think it was then that I truly believed we were gonna win the All Ireland. He still plays a vital role in the team in terms of his experience and know how. But there may be some truth in what you're saying in that he has slowed down. Time waits for no man and without doubt he has put in some seriously hard yards over the years.

I'd actually be more concerned with Ryan. He's a brilliant footballer but appears to have lost a wee bit of his mojo. So much of our game depends on him making his sything runs through teams. The modern game is so much about "breaking lines" and he is our best at that when on form. But we haven't seen it this year yet in the Championship. I'd love to see it happen for him on Saturday because he's a great wee lad. But more so because it's his incisions that often lead to goal chances for us, and in a tight game against Meath it could make all the difference.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9154 - 06/07/2017 09:24:11    2011359

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "If they can free up Ryan McHugh a bit more and Frank McGlynn hits some form they will be fine for the next couple of rounds. Easier said then done maybe but they can still put a run together if things go well. I wonder what the Donegal posters think of McGlynn at the moment? He was such an intense runner for the last 7 or 8 years is he slowing down a little bit. I played against him a few years back, class act and scored a few points from play that day from centre back but he certainly doesn't look like the same man this year."
McGlynn is a really brilliant player and really underrated, unlucky not to get the POTY in 2012. I believe he is 31 now and probably doesn't have the legs to making those piercing runs. He is still a great players though but probably need to pick and choose when to make his runs. He has been playing sweeper this year so maybe that is curtailing his forward play.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 06/07/2017 09:48:33    2011370

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Replying To kildare73:  "I hope the optician hurries up with those glasses for you before the weekend!!"
No you don't.

Simples.

Dr.Watson (Kildare) - Posts: 208 - 06/07/2017 13:14:24    2011482

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@Mobot I think Thompson was back by time of the championship but you are slightly missing my point. What I actually said is that these players could have been more integrated within the set up and used as substitutes rather than the absurd situation that occurred of players coming off then back on afterwards. But the main issue here is the lack of evolution and variation in style of play. RG has had enough time to work on this and listen I just have no faith at all now. It is actually maddening as Donegal have lost some valuable years even though I agreed with the appointment. Regardless of that I will be in Navan Saturday. Not expecting much of a spectacle but as DL man said I don't see either of these teams being around in a months time

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 06/07/2017 13:16:19    2011483

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If Meath lose will McEntee walk or be pushed? He can only play with what he has but if they lose this it'll be another step backwards

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 06/07/2017 14:42:43    2011531

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Hard one to call

Both teams have been well beaten and struggled to get over teams that wouldn't be considered world beaters in their next match

On paper you'd say Donegal but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Meath find their best performance to date

Yep a hard one to call but I'm going to go for a Meath win

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 06/07/2017 15:06:22    2011542

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