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Clare +5 in the handicap betting looks tempting. Will stick it in a double with Wexford +6 ( not saying either will win BTW).

streaker (Galway) - Posts: 497 - 04/07/2017 22:13:21    2010746

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Replying To nextyear:  "How will mayo line out? Coen, Vaughan and boland will be lucky to keep their place. Doherty, loftus, d o Connor, s o shea could start.
Loftus scored against a poor and tired derry defense so I don't think he is the Messiah but worth a start if his confidence is high.
I've heard some people calling for coen or Vaughan in full back. Neither strong enough under a high ball for that position"
So I assume you believe cafferkey is sound under a high ball then!

jackmeyhoffer (USA) - Posts: 148 - 05/07/2017 00:01:46    2010799

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If this Mayo squad is anyway serious about going all the way and winning Sam, then they need to not just beat Clare but win with at least 6+ points to spare. Clare are a mid table Div 2 team that had, like Mayo, a patchy league. However as many individuals have pointed out, would any of the other top teams like Tyrone, Dublin or Galway believe that Clare would beat them. I would say no.

Some of the major positives that can be taken from the Derry game are:

Positives
1 Mayo midfield were excellent
2 Mayo created a ton of scoring chances. If our shooting was 50% more accurate the score line would have been very different
3 The bench made a difference - Loftus, SOS and Doherty made a good contribution when introduced.
4 Playing badly we still won

But as with positives there are always some negatives:

Negatives;
1 Shooting in front of goal was terrible
2 We relay too heavily on COC and free kicks
3 Major hole in the centre of deference - Sweeper is not working
4 Discipline - Two red cards in the last two games
5 Once again a high ball into the square ended in a goal for the opposition.

Giveitago (Mayo) - Posts: 86 - 05/07/2017 09:18:01    2010840

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If this Mayo squad is anyway serious about going all the way and winning Sam, then they need to not just beat Clare but win with at least 6+ points to spare. Clare are a mid table Div 2 team that had, like Mayo, a patchy league. However as many individuals have pointed out, would any of the other top teams like Tyrone, Dublin or Galway believe that Clare would beat them. I would say no.

Some of the major positives that can be taken from the Derry game are:

Positives
1 Mayo midfield were excellent
2 Mayo created a ton of scoring chances. If our shooting was 50% more accurate the score line would have been very different
3 The bench made a difference - Loftus, SOS and Doherty made a good contribution when introduced.
4 Playing badly we still won

But as with positives there are always some negatives:

Negatives;
1 Shooting in front of goal was terrible
2 We relay too heavily on COC and free kicks
3 Major hole in the centre of deference - Sweeper is not working
4 Discipline - Two red cards in the last two games
5 Once again a high ball into the square ended in a goal for the opposition.

Giveitago (Mayo) - Posts: 86 - 05/07/2017 09:18:13    2010843

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Replying To jackmeyhoffer:  "So I assume you believe cafferkey is sound under a high ball then!"
Not great but better than these two. I've watched both of them play a lot at different levels and they rarely catch a ball over their heads cleanly. Neither of them have a significant amount of time in the fullback position so I think it's nonsense suggesting they move them their in the middle of a championship campaign

nextyear (Mayo) - Posts: 60 - 05/07/2017 11:34:02    2010890

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Replying To Giveitago:  "If this Mayo squad is anyway serious about going all the way and winning Sam, then they need to not just beat Clare but win with at least 6+ points to spare. Clare are a mid table Div 2 team that had, like Mayo, a patchy league. However as many individuals have pointed out, would any of the other top teams like Tyrone, Dublin or Galway believe that Clare would beat them. I would say no.

Some of the major positives that can be taken from the Derry game are:

Positives
1 Mayo midfield were excellent
2 Mayo created a ton of scoring chances. If our shooting was 50% more accurate the score line would have been very different
3 The bench made a difference - Loftus, SOS and Doherty made a good contribution when introduced.
4 Playing badly we still won

But as with positives there are always some negatives:

Negatives;
1 Shooting in front of goal was terrible
2 We relay too heavily on COC and free kicks
3 Major hole in the centre of deference - Sweeper is not working
4 Discipline - Two red cards in the last two games
5 Once again a high ball into the square ended in a goal for the opposition."
Good analysis of the Derry game there and ongoing issues. There is a huge gaping hole in the defense time and time again. The Kevin Mac sweeper plan has been dropped....why? It is clear a foot passing game is developing from half way line. A 2 man full forward line does not work especially when Cillian is back on our own 40 gathering up ball.

Despite this I still back us to beat Clare.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 05/07/2017 11:51:33    2010899

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Clare gave Kerry bags of it for 60 minutes in Cusack Park and literally ran out of steam mentally and physically when Kerry introduced fresh legs from the bench that Clare couldn't match. Clare beat Laois without ever having to get out of second gear and also gave their bench plenty of valuable game time. Having been to both these games (and also to Killarney on Sunday) Clare imo are in a great position to turn Mayo over on Saturday especially as the game is in Ennis.

Clare have a sound mid-field in Brenan and O'Connor, have good scoring forwards Cleary, Malone, Sexton and Tubridy, and play a defensive sweeper very astutely. They now have the experience of two seasons in Division 2 plus good qualifier runs last year and this. Their management team are an astute bunch so be prepared for a "shock" come 6.30pm on Saturday.

Clare beat Roscommon well at this stage last year and will add another Connacht scalp this Saturday if they play to form and not let the occasion get to them. It should be a great occasion in Ennis with standing room only and I would advise the Mayo supporters to come early as parking will be at a premium and they might have a long walk to the ground (and a longer walk back afterwards!!!!)

dingle2 (Kerry) - Posts: 278 - 05/07/2017 12:25:12    2010928

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Replying To nextyear:  "Not great but better than these two. I've watched both of them play a lot at different levels and they rarely catch a ball over their heads cleanly. Neither of them have a significant amount of time in the fullback position so I think it's nonsense suggesting they move them their in the middle of a championship campaign"
I believe the whole full back position has changed or evolved so much in the last 20 years the high fielding full back is gone, but we need a proper fast, tight, hard tackling full back to match the modern full forward and cafferkey isn't the answer and hasn't ever been. I would never be afraid to change things up midstream and for management to admit they were wrong. I mean this is the same management who made the monumental mistake with the goalkeeping replay switch last year. When you look at things last year there wasn't a whole lot wrong with mcloughlin sweeping when he got the hang of the role and the back line as a whole when cafferkey was unavailable. If it's not broke why try to fix it and bring him back??

jackmeyhoffer (USA) - Posts: 148 - 05/07/2017 15:20:33    2011029

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Replying To jackmeyhoffer:  "I believe the whole full back position has changed or evolved so much in the last 20 years the high fielding full back is gone, but we need a proper fast, tight, hard tackling full back to match the modern full forward and cafferkey isn't the answer and hasn't ever been. I would never be afraid to change things up midstream and for management to admit they were wrong. I mean this is the same management who made the monumental mistake with the goalkeeping replay switch last year. When you look at things last year there wasn't a whole lot wrong with mcloughlin sweeping when he got the hang of the role and the back line as a whole when cafferkey was unavailable. If it's not broke why try to fix it and bring him back??"
I'd have no problem if caff was dropped and they played as they did last year. I'd also have no problem with changing some things mid season. However putting coen or Vaughan in to full back would be a mistake which was my initial point. Both have good running games but don't mark tight enough for full back or tackle well enough and I'd disagree with you in that I think high fielding is essential for a full back. A full back will be targeted and found out if they are not good in the air. The running game is great when you have your basic defending covered first.

nextyear (Mayo) - Posts: 60 - 05/07/2017 17:25:07    2011090

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Replying To dingle2:  "Clare gave Kerry bags of it for 60 minutes in Cusack Park and literally ran out of steam mentally and physically when Kerry introduced fresh legs from the bench that Clare couldn't match. Clare beat Laois without ever having to get out of second gear and also gave their bench plenty of valuable game time. Having been to both these games (and also to Killarney on Sunday) Clare imo are in a great position to turn Mayo over on Saturday especially as the game is in Ennis.

Clare have a sound mid-field in Brenan and O'Connor, have good scoring forwards Cleary, Malone, Sexton and Tubridy, and play a defensive sweeper very astutely. They now have the experience of two seasons in Division 2 plus good qualifier runs last year and this. Their management team are an astute bunch so be prepared for a "shock" come 6.30pm on Saturday.

Clare beat Roscommon well at this stage last year and will add another Connacht scalp this Saturday if they play to form and not let the occasion get to them. It should be a great occasion in Ennis with standing room only and I would advise the Mayo supporters to come early as parking will be at a premium and they might have a long walk to the ground (and a longer walk back afterwards!!!!)"
You may well be right in saying Clare will win, but to say if Clare play to form they will win without factoring in how Mayo play, is being disrespectful to our lads. It's also a little arrogant to suggest that because they gave Kerry a good run they will automatically be too good for Mayo. Maybe Kerry were poor in Ennis.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 05/07/2017 18:42:31    2011120

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As with every Mayo game which Mayo team will turn up? I'm sure Clare will be well prepared and raring to go if Mayo are not up for it then Clare have every chance. We know what Mayo are capable of but we aren't producing those performances every time out and the forward Corps need to start producing from the start less misfiring like the last day and the Galway match.

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 05/07/2017 21:21:14    2011209

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Replying To dingle2:  "Clare gave Kerry bags of it for 60 minutes in Cusack Park and literally ran out of steam mentally and physically when Kerry introduced fresh legs from the bench that Clare couldn't match. Clare beat Laois without ever having to get out of second gear and also gave their bench plenty of valuable game time. Having been to both these games (and also to Killarney on Sunday) Clare imo are in a great position to turn Mayo over on Saturday especially as the game is in Ennis.

Clare have a sound mid-field in Brenan and O'Connor, have good scoring forwards Cleary, Malone, Sexton and Tubridy, and play a defensive sweeper very astutely. They now have the experience of two seasons in Division 2 plus good qualifier runs last year and this. Their management team are an astute bunch so be prepared for a "shock" come 6.30pm on Saturday.

Clare beat Roscommon well at this stage last year and will add another Connacht scalp this Saturday if they play to form and not let the occasion get to them. It should be a great occasion in Ennis with standing room only and I would advise the Mayo supporters to come early as parking will be at a premium and they might have a long walk to the ground (and a longer walk back afterwards!!!!)"
1 season in division 2

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2490 - 06/07/2017 00:51:50    2011274

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "1 season in division 2"
Sorry yes one season in Div 2 but heading into second season there, still they are evolving as a very solid outfit and outside of Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone who are ahead of the rest they are in with the likes of Galway, Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan, Kildare & Meath in terms of development. I don't rate Mayo - I never did. They simply can't take their scores when it matters. Lee Keegan & Keith Higgins are possibly two of the best footballers in the country but what's the use when most of their forwards can't score consistently from open play. Keegan knows where the posts are and I'm sure if he was drafted to wing forward he could cause havoc but then who would replace him in defence. Ditto with Higgins.

I expect a big game from Cleary and Malone for Clare and while Tubridy had a very quiet game against Laois he was spot on for much of the Kerry game. Brennan will also relish the Mayo game and it will be a big opportunity for Cathal O'Connor to prove that he is an intercounty standard mid-fielder so he shouldn't be holding back.

Clare 2-12 Mayo 1-10 my prediction.

dingle2 (Kerry) - Posts: 278 - 06/07/2017 11:11:02    2011411

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Replying To dingle2:  "Sorry yes one season in Div 2 but heading into second season there, still they are evolving as a very solid outfit and outside of Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone who are ahead of the rest they are in with the likes of Galway, Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan, Kildare & Meath in terms of development. I don't rate Mayo - I never did. They simply can't take their scores when it matters. Lee Keegan & Keith Higgins are possibly two of the best footballers in the country but what's the use when most of their forwards can't score consistently from open play. Keegan knows where the posts are and I'm sure if he was drafted to wing forward he could cause havoc but then who would replace him in defence. Ditto with Higgins.

I expect a big game from Cleary and Malone for Clare and while Tubridy had a very quiet game against Laois he was spot on for much of the Kerry game. Brennan will also relish the Mayo game and it will be a big opportunity for Cathal O'Connor to prove that he is an intercounty standard mid-fielder so he shouldn't be holding back.

Clare 2-12 Mayo 1-10 my prediction."
cant see Clare getting past Mayo.
I think Mayo will have got such a severe fright last weekend from Derry they will be like animals this weekend.
I would think a 5/6 point win for Mayo

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 06/07/2017 11:26:43    2011429

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Great chance for Clare to show the 'experts' here on HS, who follow Gaelic Football for the summer how good they are.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 06/07/2017 12:31:22    2011454

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Clare are great odds at 11/4 but I think Clare at +4 (evens) is printing money

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 06/07/2017 14:52:01    2011535

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Great chance for Clare to show the 'experts' here on HS, who follow Gaelic Football for the summer how good they are."
So Clare should be favourites? If Clare pull of a shock I will be in here to congratulate them. I don't see anybody disrespecting Clare.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 06/07/2017 18:39:11    2011621

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Replying To yew_tree:  "So Clare should be favourites? If Clare pull of a shock I will be in here to congratulate them. I don't see anybody disrespecting Clare."
Not one mayo fan has but alot of Dublin fans on this are,if clare were in Leinster they would 2/3 best team in Leinster

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 779 - 06/07/2017 21:17:10    2011688

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Replying To cityman73:  "Not one mayo fan has but alot of Dublin fans on this are,if clare were in Leinster they would 2/3 best team in Leinster"
Never mind the Dublin lads...they will all be cheering on Clare.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 06/07/2017 22:03:01    2011716

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Clare in Ennis is a huge test for Mayo. If Mayo have regressed or are off their game this could be the end of the line, One way or another a great fixture for Mayo, make or break

NorthKildare (Kildare) - Posts: 197 - 07/07/2017 00:28:43    2011748

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