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Replying To slayer: "IMO the most tactically astute manager Gaelic football has ever seen. And an unbelievable motivator of players too. What he achieved with Donegal was nothing short of staggering and they are still benefiting from his good work.
Fair play to him indeed but the above is a big statement. Let's call a spade a spade here, his tactical change & evolution of the Donegal footballers led them to the All-Ireland title, but the manner in which those tactics were dismantled by James Horan in the 4-17 to 1-10 defeat in 2013 displayed to me at least that the tactics were not sustainable long term.
He is an incredibly impressive character but in Gaelic football terms I think James Horan was a better Gaelic Football Manager. In a one off game between their teams in the All-Ireland final, Donegal came out on top, but five years down the road I think Mayo are benefiting more from Horan than Donegal are from McGuinness.
That said, I do think McGuinness will become a successful coach/Manager of a team, maybe at Celtic? I wish him every success." 5 years down the road and and still no all ireland I'm sure mayo boys was prefer to have an all Ireland medal now n all fairness
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Replying To woops: " Replying To slayer: "IMO the most tactically astute manager Gaelic football has ever seen. And an unbelievable motivator of players too. What he achieved with Donegal was nothing short of staggering and they are still benefiting from his good work.
Fair play to him indeed but the above is a big statement. Let's call a spade a spade here, his tactical change & evolution of the Donegal footballers led them to the All-Ireland title, but the manner in which those tactics were dismantled by James Horan in the 4-17 to 1-10 defeat in 2013 displayed to me at least that the tactics were not sustainable long term.
He is an incredibly impressive character but in Gaelic football terms I think James Horan was a better Gaelic Football Manager. In a one off game between their teams in the All-Ireland final, Donegal came out on top, but five years down the road I think Mayo are benefiting more from Horan than Donegal are from McGuinness.
That said, I do think McGuinness will become a successful coach/Manager of a team, maybe at Celtic? I wish him every success." Personally i think the aura over Jim Mcguniess is overated baloney. he transformed a bunch of players that were lazy, sociable but very very talented. once he got the Donegal players all rowing in the one direction they became a machine and a great one at that for a FEW seasons. he did magnificent with them but wahee pull the brakes he was hardly the messiah of Gaelic Football. Eamon Fitz counter acted his style in 3 weeks for the final in 2014 and over the subsequent years I wouldn't have fell in love with Eamon Fitz as Kerry manager."
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Fair play Jim - a man who does things his way. Wish him every success
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 30/06/2017 14:38:56
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Replying To essmac: " Replying To woops: "[quote=slayer: "IMO the most tactically astute manager Gaelic football has ever seen. And an unbelievable motivator of players too. What he achieved with Donegal was nothing short of staggering and they are still benefiting from his good work.
Fair play to him indeed but the above is a big statement. Let's call a spade a spade here, his tactical change & evolution of the Donegal footballers led them to the All-Ireland title, but the manner in which those tactics were dismantled by James Horan in the 4-17 to 1-10 defeat in 2013 displayed to me at least that the tactics were not sustainable long term.
He is an incredibly impressive character but in Gaelic football terms I think James Horan was a better Gaelic Football Manager. In a one off game between their teams in the All-Ireland final, Donegal came out on top, but five years down the road I think Mayo are benefiting more from Horan than Donegal are from McGuinness.
That said, I do think McGuinness will become a successful coach/Manager of a team, maybe at Celtic? I wish him every success." Personally i think the aura over Jim Mcguniess is overated baloney. he transformed a bunch of players that were lazy, sociable but very very talented. once he got the Donegal players all rowing in the one direction they became a machine and a great one at that for a FEW seasons. he did magnificent with them but wahee pull the brakes he was hardly the messiah of Gaelic Football. Eamon Fitz counter acted his style in 3 weeks for the final in 2014 and over the subsequent years I wouldn't have fell in love with Eamon Fitz as Kerry manager."
If anything his seriously defensive style denied them the 14 all Ireland
rossy15 (Roscommon) - Posts: 619 - 30/06/2017 14:46:49
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Replying To woops: " Replying To slayer: "IMO the most tactically astute manager Gaelic football has ever seen. And an unbelievable motivator of players too. What he achieved with Donegal was nothing short of staggering and they are still benefiting from his good work.
Fair play to him indeed but the above is a big statement. Let's call a spade a spade here, his tactical change & evolution of the Donegal footballers led them to the All-Ireland title, but the manner in which those tactics were dismantled by James Horan in the 4-17 to 1-10 defeat in 2013 displayed to me at least that the tactics were not sustainable long term.
He is an incredibly impressive character but in Gaelic football terms I think James Horan was a better Gaelic Football Manager. In a one off game between their teams in the All-Ireland final, Donegal came out on top, but five years down the road I think Mayo are benefiting more from Horan than Donegal are from McGuinness.
That said, I do think McGuinness will become a successful coach/Manager of a team, maybe at Celtic? I wish him every success." Personally i think the aura over Jim Mcguniess is overated baloney. he transformed a bunch of players that were lazy, sociable but very very talented. once he got the Donegal players all rowing in the one direction they became a machine and a great one at that for a FEW seasons. he did magnificent with them but wahee pull the brakes he was hardly the messiah of Gaelic Football. Eamon Fitz counter acted his style in 3 weeks for the final in 2014 and over the subsequent years I wouldn't have fell in love with Eamon Fitz as Kerry manager."
He will do well in China with all his experience. Pity we won't see him back at dl but who knows....
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Replying To woops: " Replying To slayer: "IMO the most tactically astute manager Gaelic football has ever seen. And an unbelievable motivator of players too. What he achieved with Donegal was nothing short of staggering and they are still benefiting from his good work.
Fair play to him indeed but the above is a big statement. Let's call a spade a spade here, his tactical change & evolution of the Donegal footballers led them to the All-Ireland title, but the manner in which those tactics were dismantled by James Horan in the 4-17 to 1-10 defeat in 2013 displayed to me at least that the tactics were not sustainable long term.
He is an incredibly impressive character but in Gaelic football terms I think James Horan was a better Gaelic Football Manager. In a one off game between their teams in the All-Ireland final, Donegal came out on top, but five years down the road I think Mayo are benefiting more from Horan than Donegal are from McGuinness.
That said, I do think McGuinness will become a successful coach/Manager of a team, maybe at Celtic? I wish him every success." Personally i think the aura over Jim Mcguniess is overated baloney. he transformed a bunch of players that were lazy, sociable but very very talented. once he got the Donegal players all rowing in the one direction they became a machine and a great one at that for a FEW seasons. he did magnificent with them but wahee pull the brakes he was hardly the messiah of Gaelic Football. Eamon Fitz counter acted his style in 3 weeks for the final in 2014 and over the subsequent years I wouldn't have fell in love with Eamon Fitz as Kerry manager."
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PS you have got to factor in where Donegal football had come from. Even in better seasons we we're not training correctly compared to other teams who were pound for pound not that much better than us. 2007 we won the league but got 2 trimmings in championship (belief and discipline) 2009 hammered by cork in quarters after promising back door (fitness, conditioning and tactics) 2010 hammered by Armagh after losing to down (belief and discipline). Losing to Antrim at home is another example. Were we that bad? Yes, due to our amateur structure, in every sense of the word.
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Best of luck to Jim in China and hopefully when he has his money made he'l come home and manage Donegal again.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 30/06/2017 15:16:31
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Replying To woops: " Replying To slayer: "IMO the most tactically astute manager Gaelic football has ever seen. And an unbelievable motivator of players too. What he achieved with Donegal was nothing short of staggering and they are still benefiting from his good work.
Fair play to him indeed but the above is a big statement. Let's call a spade a spade here, his tactical change & evolution of the Donegal footballers led them to the All-Ireland title, but the manner in which those tactics were dismantled by James Horan in the 4-17 to 1-10 defeat in 2013 displayed to me at least that the tactics were not sustainable long term.
He is an incredibly impressive character but in Gaelic football terms I think James Horan was a better Gaelic Football Manager. In a one off game between their teams in the All-Ireland final, Donegal came out on top, but five years down the road I think Mayo are benefiting more from Horan than Donegal are from McGuinness.
That said, I do think McGuinness will become a successful coach/Manager of a team, maybe at Celtic? I wish him every success." Personally i think the aura over Jim Mcguniess is overated baloney. he transformed a bunch of players that were lazy, sociable but very very talented. once he got the Donegal players all rowing in the one direction they became a machine and a great one at that for a FEW seasons. he did magnificent with them but wahee pull the brakes he was hardly the messiah of Gaelic Football. Eamon Fitz counter acted his style in 3 weeks for the final in 2014 and over the subsequent years I wouldn't have fell in love with Eamon Fitz as Kerry manager."
One of the most uplifting stories I have heard in a long time. I really hope this is the springboard for McGuinness to bag a big job as a manager in the future. He could end up in the Bundesliga yet if this works out.
吉米贏得比賽 (Jimmy is winning matches).
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 30/06/2017 15:21:39
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Good luck to him . He seems like a man who is intent on getting places and is being recognized as having a lot to contribute.
I am sure he will have something to offer in the future to the Irish set up and you wouldn't write of Donegal return whenever he wants it.
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Maybe I am biased but I think JMcG is the one of the greatest GAA football managers of all time. You have to remember how poor Donegal were when he took over, we were a laughing stock and ranked 19th in the country, within 18 months we were All-Ireland champions. I think the greatest complement he was given was when Dublin changed their style of play after the defeat in 2014 to Donegal. I know there was a reference to their heavy defeat in 2013 to Mayo but there were extenuating circumstances, Jim had left for Celtic and RG was in charge of training, also there was a build up of injuries to key players that year. BTW Mayo played absolutely sublime football that day and would have beaten anyone.
Best of luck to Jim in China. I still haven't given up hope that someday he will manage Donegal again.
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Replying To Green_Gold: "Maybe I am biased but I think JMcG is the one of the greatest GAA football managers of all time. You have to remember how poor Donegal were when he took over, we were a laughing stock and ranked 19th in the country, within 18 months we were All-Ireland champions. I think the greatest complement he was given was when Dublin changed their style of play after the defeat in 2014 to Donegal. I know there was a reference to their heavy defeat in 2013 to Mayo but there were extenuating circumstances, Jim had left for Celtic and RG was in charge of training, also there was a build up of injuries to key players that year. BTW Mayo played absolutely sublime football that day and would have beaten anyone.
Best of luck to Jim in China. I still haven't given up hope that someday he will manage Donegal again." I remember Leitrim bringing Donegal to extra time in the qualifiers before Jim McGuinness took over, the two teams were very evenly matched that day and look at the path both counties took since then when he took over.
Massive respect for the man, good luck Jimmy
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What is the dig about Eamon Fitz about, I already mentioned I am not his biggest fan! :-)
More power to Jim Mc and his ventures with Celtic and now to China. I hope he becomes a success and becomes rich in the process.
But still think being called the greatest GAA coach ever is nonsense.
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Replying To GreenandRed: " linkJimmy's on the move again as his soccer coaching career goes onwards and upwards. The sky's the limit. The very best of luck to him and his family."
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Replying To HurlingSnob: " Replying To GreenandRed: " linkJimmy's on the move again as his soccer coaching career goes onwards and upwards. The sky's the limit. The very best of luck to him and his family." Going to China is not considered going upwards for a player and should not be seen to be going upwards for a manager either. It's simply about earning money. How people can't see that is beyond me. And good luck to him for earning some money for himself but let's not kid ourselves into thinking this is a career progression. Only surprised Micko didn't beat him to it. $€¥£."
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Replying To HurlingSnob: " Replying To GreenandRed: " linkJimmy's on the move again as his soccer coaching career goes onwards and upwards. The sky's the limit. The very best of luck to him and his family." Going to China is not considered going upwards for a player and should not be seen to be going upwards for a manager either. It's simply about earning money. How people can't see that is beyond me. And good luck to him for earning some money for himself but let's not kid ourselves into thinking this is a career progression. Only surprised Micko didn't beat him to it. $€¥£."
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 30/06/2017 18:13:34
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It's unlikely that he'd be offered an assistant coaching job above English third tier or Scotland's second tier as he has little or no senior soccer coaching experience.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts:3697 - 30/06/2017 17:51:38
I agree that he will never coach at the top level in soccer, he is coming too late to the game for that, but a type of director of football role would suit him down to the ground where he can leave the coaching of tactics to others & he can concentrate on the bigger picture.
I know I would love to have him in overall charge of any venture I was involved in.
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Fair play to him if he makes a lot of money but I don't think it's all about money.
I admire his ambition and willingness to take on new challenges.
I wouldn't be surprised if he even took on to learn the language, although I'm not sure what Chinese sounds like in a Donegal accent...
Best wishes to him anyhow. Hope it works out well for him.
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Replying To woops: "What is the dig about Eamon Fitz about, I already mentioned I am not his biggest fan! :-)
More power to Jim Mc and his ventures with Celtic and now to China. I hope he becomes a success and becomes rich in the process.
But still think being called the greatest GAA coach ever is nonsense." What he did with Donegal was off the charts. This is what he inherited:
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/woeful-humiliating-match-reports-for-the-last-match-before-jim-mcguinness-took-over-as-donegal-manager-57622
Everyone is asking will Dublin win three in a row this year. The question would be changed to 5 in row if it wasn't for the job he did on Dublin in 2014. Donegal were very unlucky not to get a replay in the final.
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I would stop short of saying he was the greatest ever manager, but he was damn good for Donegal and his route to success was despite things rather than in spite of.
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