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So out of the draw the four strongest teams draw the four weakest....unbelievable Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1913 - 26/06/2017 10:49:23 2005508 Link
This 'backdoor' business in both codes is just a prolonged exercise in chaff blowing. The core impact of 'the backdoor' has been to give the strongest contenders an increased chance of winning Sam & Liam, and to eradicate the critical impact that the periodic 'giant-kill' had on GAA history up to the point in time where the 'qualifiers' were introduced. Tomás Mulcahy stated on live radio this morning that he 'fancys' Tipp to come through the Westmeath match. Good man, Tomás. Mystic Meg, eat you heart out! Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3448 - 26/06/2017 10:59:47 2005523 Link
in all fairness to the draw bon ,in the past teams have come out totally lobsided...so it really is the luck of the draw on this occasion.. kavvie (Clare) - Posts: 505 - 26/06/2017 11:05:16 2005529 Link
Replying To Bon: "So out of the draw the four strongest teams draw the four weakest....unbelievable" Exactly.Who are they codding! Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 26/06/2017 11:18:12 2005543 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "But was the draw from the third bowl made publicly?" yes. s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 26/06/2017 11:29:59 2005554 Link
Replying To Bon: "So out of the draw the four strongest teams draw the four weakest....unbelievable" Its mad you couldn't make this up!!! We could have been looking at: Tipp v KK Dublin v Waterford Limerick v Westmeath Dublin v Laois The fact that Laois could not play Westmeath either meant it was probably always going to be one of Tipp , Waterford or Limerick v Kilkenny unless Laois drew Kilkenny but that was a long long shot. TBH Limerick got Westmeath last 2 years they would be building up a rivalry if they were drawn out again together!! WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 26/06/2017 11:38:58 2005568 Link
Replying To WildPundit: "Its mad you couldn't make this up!!! We could have been looking at: Tipp v KK Dublin v Waterford Limerick v Westmeath Dublin v Laois The fact that Laois could not play Westmeath either meant it was probably always going to be one of Tipp , Waterford or Limerick v Kilkenny unless Laois drew Kilkenny but that was a long long shot. TBH Limerick got Westmeath last 2 years they would be building up a rivalry if they were drawn out again together!!" That's the problem, you'd need two Dublin's alright to liven it up, and two better Dublins than the 2017 version. The reality is that the famous draw contained only 3 contenders, and KK had a 50/50 chance of getting a tough draw. It was either Tipp/WD or LK/Laois. To be fair to Limerick, they're well ahead of Laois, but on recent form are absolutely no threat to KK. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3448 - 26/06/2017 11:47:13 2005572 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "That's the problem, you'd need two Dublin's alright to liven it up, and two better Dublins than the 2017 version. The reality is that the famous draw contained only 3 contenders, and KK had a 50/50 chance of getting a tough draw. It was either Tipp/WD or LK/Laois. To be fair to Limerick, they're well ahead of Laois, but on recent form are absolutely no threat to KK." its time dublin hurling was divided,north and south perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 26/06/2017 11:49:31 2005578 Link
Replying To Bon: "So out of the draw the four strongest teams draw the four weakest....unbelievable" Quite believable really. It would have been unbelievable had any of the teams drawn Real Madrid away in the Bernabeu. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 26/06/2017 11:56:30 2005588 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "We had no evidence of this draw , at least not via radio broadcast. Typical cock up." It was live on telly FFS. Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 26/06/2017 12:46:41 2005653 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "That's the problem, you'd need two Dublin's alright to liven it up, and two better Dublins than the 2017 version. The reality is that the famous draw contained only 3 contenders, and KK had a 50/50 chance of getting a tough draw. It was either Tipp/WD or LK/Laois. To be fair to Limerick, they're well ahead of Laois, but on recent form are absolutely no threat to KK." My bad forgot Offaly!! WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 26/06/2017 12:53:07 2005662 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "We had no evidence of this draw , at least not via radio broadcast. Typical cock up." frantically getting out my tin foil hat. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 26/06/2017 13:22:41 2005684 Link
Replying To Pinkie: "Limerick should smell blood here, black and amber blood. Normally it is cats that smell blood but this really is a great chance for Limerick. If they can up the intensity they can beat Kilkenny, but I think home advantage will just decide this one. Unfortunately, after all the hype of the draw, the major clashes never materialised." Sure if Down can beat Kilkenny in Nowlan Park with DJ on the field then a county of Limerick should be having no fear of the Cats minus Shefflin, M Fennelly, Jackie, Tommy and so on. Limerick need to die with their boots on. They've a few huge big cubs on that U21 team on TG4 the other night. They need to go at a fragile Kilkenny early on, Hickey to follow TJ Reid wherever he goes, even to the bogs. Stop Cillian Buckly mounting attacks from deep and see where that gets you. Downes, Hannon and so forth need to grow a set Laois can also give the Dubs their fill of it in Parnell. bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 26/06/2017 13:28:41 2005687 Link
Shoukd have been a complete open draw...no two pots preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 738 - 26/06/2017 14:15:57 2005725 Link
Replying To preddan: "Shoukd have been a complete open draw...no two pots" Its only delaying the inevitable say if Offaly drew Laois whoever won that would meet a big gun the following week anyway so they would only be gearing up for a trimming in Round 2. Lets be honest the GAA wants the bigger teams in Round 2 its worked out perfect almost every year where in Round 2 big teams are playing each other for a place in the QFs. Perhaps the reason for the new proposal in hurling where smaller teams earn that right through the round robin system. WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 26/06/2017 15:21:57 2005798 Link
The new proposed hurling structure is good but surely the way forward is to (possibly retain the provincial structures but) have 2 groups of 8 where each team gets 7 games? If Tipperary were playing Kerry in Munster and had won their first 4 games, they would be likely to make 4-5 changes for the Kerry game. That would allow one team to play some fringe players and another to get experience of playing a strong hurling county. I think that would inevitable raise standards. Of course the hard part would be if teams like Carlow, Kerry etc got the likes of Kilkenny & Tipp in their first game........ slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 26/06/2017 15:29:36 2005811 Link
7 games is too many though slayer, unless you reduce the league, and where would you play a club match is the other problem. Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 26/06/2017 15:43:59 2005826 Link
Replying To Pinkie: "7 games is too many though slayer, unless you reduce the league, and where would you play a club match is the other problem." What's a club match? Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 26/06/2017 16:01:09 2005844 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "Yes, it will definitely be all-ticket. Capacity for Nowlan Park is circa 25,000 so anyone who wants a ticket should be able to get one. No disrespect to Limerick, but it's a good draw for Kilkenny. Firstly it's at home, and secondly we avoided Tipp who'd almost certainly beat us handily on current form, and Waterford which would be a dogfight." On what evidence would we beat ye? Having said that I was hoping to get KK in Semple. If they beat Limerick now they'll be a team with the confidence coming back tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 26/06/2017 16:05:15 2005852 Link
If these games go as the bookies are predicting (1/2 odds on for accumulator!) will we have two bowls - 1 for the two Munster teams and 1 for the two Leinster teams or is it an open draw? Likewise after round 2 if you are left with 1 from each province is the Q final pre-determined or an open draw? (i.e can we have the Leinster losers playing KK for example and Waterford playing the Munster losers......, obviously the two Provincial losers will be kept apart.) tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 26/06/2017 16:14:55 2005858 Link