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Replying To ROS1: " Replying To perfect10: "House rules: These message boards are intended to be used for Gaelic Games related discussions and are aimed to be family friendly. Any bad language or abusive comments will see messages deleted, as will any attempts to post offensive or defamatory contributions my children read this board,if bad language is to be tolerated,then the board should ask for consent before opening the pages." The will hear alot worst if the go to a match" Yeah exactly I mean I'm not saying it's right or wrong and I don't have kids myself but the age of innocence dies a lot earlier these days and I don't see much reversing that to be truthful with you. MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 26/06/2017 20:45:52 2006011 Link
Replying To maroondiesel: "The real problem is the Leinster championship. It is a 2 horse race, the rest are "combine harvesters chasing ferari's". Ulster is great and Connacht and Munster have few teams with minor swings up and down. The solution might be to have 2 divisions compete for each cup." he real problem is the Leinster championship. It is a 2 horse race, the rest are "combine harvesters chasing ferari's". Ulster is great and Connacht and Munster have few teams with minor swings up and down. The solution might be to have 2 divisions compete for each cup. maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts:607 - 26/06/2017 19:13:18 Things all right in a everywhere except in leinster????? Connacht where we have 7 teams. In 133 years Sligo won 3 titles, leitrim 2 titles, London won 0 titles and only 3 matches since 1975 don't think new York won any matches. Mayo won 46 and galway 45. That does not seem all ok. Munster where we have 6 teams. In 133 years Waterford won 1, Limerick won 1 Clare won 2 and Tipperary won 9. With the exception of clare in 1992 all waterfords. Limerick clares first and tipperarys were over 100 years ago. Cork won 37 and Kerry 78 again That does not seem all ok. In Ulster the beacon light of all in 133 years Fermanagh won 0 Ulster titles, Derry 7, Donegal 8 Antrim 9 and cavan 37 ulster title of course we have don't all expect teams to win the same number of provincal titles but saying everything is ok here in connacht when galway and mayo win between 91 title and between them sligo, leitrim , london and new york won 5 titles between them. Or in munster where cork and kerry won 115 between them and the remaining 13 are divided by the remaining 4 teams Or in ulster Cavan have more provincal title that Down, Fermanagh, Derry, Donegal ,Antrim combined. that shows in over 133 years the present system does not work and for weaker counties madbull (Westmeath) - Posts: 195 - 26/06/2017 21:30:02 2006036 Link
I say bring on the two-tier championship. we've nothing to lose at this point. The All-Ireland championship has been ruined anyway by the back door and the huge gulf that now exists between the top sides and the rest. M Lyster (Antrim) - Posts: 461 - 26/06/2017 21:36:52 2006040 Link
Replying To madbull: "he real problem is the Leinster championship. It is a 2 horse race, the rest are "combine harvesters chasing ferari's". Ulster is great and Connacht and Munster have few teams with minor swings up and down. The solution might be to have 2 divisions compete for each cup. maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts:607 - 26/06/2017 19:13:18 Things all right in a everywhere except in leinster????? Connacht where we have 7 teams. In 133 years Sligo won 3 titles, leitrim 2 titles, London won 0 titles and only 3 matches since 1975 don't think new York won any matches. Mayo won 46 and galway 45. That does not seem all ok. Munster where we have 6 teams. In 133 years Waterford won 1, Limerick won 1 Clare won 2 and Tipperary won 9. With the exception of clare in 1992 all waterfords. Limerick clares first and tipperarys were over 100 years ago. Cork won 37 and Kerry 78 again That does not seem all ok. In Ulster the beacon light of all in 133 years Fermanagh won 0 Ulster titles, Derry 7, Donegal 8 Antrim 9 and cavan 37 ulster title of course we have don't all expect teams to win the same number of provincal titles but saying everything is ok here in connacht when galway and mayo win between 91 title and between them sligo, leitrim , london and new york won 5 titles between them. Or in munster where cork and kerry won 115 between them and the remaining 13 are divided by the remaining 4 teams Or in ulster Cavan have more provincal title that Down, Fermanagh, Derry, Donegal ,Antrim combined. that shows in over 133 years the present system does not work and for weaker counties" This is spot on - until the Provincial Championships are separated from the AI series no other changes will make a difference. The lob-sided nature of the Provincial Championships is the source of the problem. opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 26/06/2017 21:48:51 2006050 Link
I wouldn't say it's been the ruination of the AI now. That'd be too much of a stretch as the man with the stats on this thread has proved, there have always been stronger and weaker teams sure that's just the way life is. MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 26/06/2017 21:54:02 2006056 Link
My tuppence worth is, - - Continue with the 4 provincial championships, as soon as they are finished start a 2 pronged championship, teams of 16 in pool (A) would play for the Sam Maguire Cup, teams of 16 in pool (B) would play for the Paudi O'Shea Cup, London and New York can be facilitated, the top 2 teams in pool (B) could be promoted to pool (A) at the end of the championship, and the 2 bottom teams in pool (A) would be demoted to pool (B) - - Straight knock out, no back door. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 26/06/2017 22:05:10 2006062 Link
Replying To Independent12: "A two tier championship is a no brainer. It has to come in. Move the minor (u17) final out of Croke Park and play two senior finals (A & B) on the same day. I believe this would revitalise football in the 'lesser' counties." I would a bolish the back door and return to pre 2001. We will soon have to give everyone a medal for taking part Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 595 - 26/06/2017 22:39:26 2006080 Link
Why not do what they do at club level and in Ladies football/Camogie. Just grade counties like the Camogie do here (and no I am not advocating teams be in the grades here THIS IS CAMOGIE and it is just an example. BTW on all Ireland day you have a Junior final, an Inter Final and the Senior final - you can call the cups what you like. Senior counties Cork Galway Kilkenny Wexford Tipperary Dublin Clare Limerick Waterford Offaly Intermediate Derry Antrim Tipperary Kildare Kilkenny Wexford Cork Meath Down Carlow Laois Galway Junior Offaly Westmeath Wicklow Dublin Waterford Kerry Armagh Clare Roscommon Championship is a round robin of two groups then QF/SF/F and yes they still play provincial competitions but it is nothing to do with the All ireland one. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 27/06/2017 16:46:09 2006407 Link
Replying To madbull: "he real problem is the Leinster championship. It is a 2 horse race, the rest are "combine harvesters chasing ferari's". Ulster is great and Connacht and Munster have few teams with minor swings up and down. The solution might be to have 2 divisions compete for each cup. maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts:607 - 26/06/2017 19:13:18 Things all right in a everywhere except in leinster????? Connacht where we have 7 teams. In 133 years Sligo won 3 titles, leitrim 2 titles, London won 0 titles and only 3 matches since 1975 don't think new York won any matches. Mayo won 46 and galway 45. That does not seem all ok. Munster where we have 6 teams. In 133 years Waterford won 1, Limerick won 1 Clare won 2 and Tipperary won 9. With the exception of clare in 1992 all waterfords. Limerick clares first and tipperarys were over 100 years ago. Cork won 37 and Kerry 78 again That does not seem all ok. In Ulster the beacon light of all in 133 years Fermanagh won 0 Ulster titles, Derry 7, Donegal 8 Antrim 9 and cavan 37 ulster title of course we have don't all expect teams to win the same number of provincal titles but saying everything is ok here in connacht when galway and mayo win between 91 title and between them sligo, leitrim , london and new york won 5 titles between them. Or in munster where cork and kerry won 115 between them and the remaining 13 are divided by the remaining 4 teams Or in ulster Cavan have more provincal title that Down, Fermanagh, Derry, Donegal ,Antrim combined. that shows in over 133 years the present system does not work and for weaker counties" Look what it meant to your own county winning leinster in 04. Using new York and London is unfair when the face issues that no i irish counties. Bigger counties or teams will win more it is the same in every sport. The Spanish league is the best in the world yet 2 to 3 teams have any chance of winning it. Whether there are tiers or not 3 or 4 teams in a particular period are only likely to challenge for sam. ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 27/06/2017 20:54:01 2006511 Link
One of the big differences between a successful county and the also rans is player retention. I think a proper u20 grade where teams play more games would be beneficial. Graded championships at this level would make some sense with players wanting games so as to make a name for themselves to get into senior reckoning. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 28/06/2017 07:59:53 2006635 Link
Replying To ROS1: "Look what it meant to your own county winning leinster in 04. Using new York and London is unfair when the face issues that no i irish counties. Bigger counties or teams will win more it is the same in every sport. The Spanish league is the best in the world yet 2 to 3 teams have any chance of winning it. Whether there are tiers or not 3 or 4 teams in a particular period are only likely to challenge for sam." If you remember wh were winning some d2 titles around then ran Meath close a few time Dublin were not as dominant. I would be slow to get rid of provincial championship but we can not say Leinster is the province with the only problems when if you look and see how many title Cork and Kerry won 115 to the rest or mayo Galway 91 to the rest. Of course there is only one winner but it may get to a stage where some counties don't bother. We already have Kilkenny gone from football. Which counties is next madbull (Westmeath) - Posts: 195 - 01/07/2017 17:17:41 2008403 Link
Replying To madbull: "If you remember wh were winning some d2 titles around then ran Meath close a few time Dublin were not as dominant. I would be slow to get rid of provincial championship but we can not say Leinster is the province with the only problems when if you look and see how many title Cork and Kerry won 115 to the rest or mayo Galway 91 to the rest. Of course there is only one winner but it may get to a stage where some counties don't bother. We already have Kilkenny gone from football. Which counties is next" You are always going to have bigger counties/teams winning more then smaller ones no matter the sport. In connacht my own county has won 20/21 titles which is about the same amount of provincial titles as meath. And roscommon is one of the smallest/oldest populations in ireland. Westmeath were well beaten by dublin a couple of years ago when yee were a division 2/tier 1 team. Look at this weekend 2 tier one teams mato and meath very lucky to beat 2 tier 2 counties, while one tier 1 team kerry given a good beating to another tier 1 county cork. And longford given donegal a good match. ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 02/07/2017 18:02:57 2009097 Link
This is only the first week end in July and some very lob sided results, I cant imagain what the next 3 months will bring, restructuring of some sort needed. S/H Dublin 2-28 Laois 1-15, S/H Offaly 0-14 Waterford 1-35, S/H Clare 2-18 Laois 0-14 S/H Galway 0-33 Offaly 1-11 S/H Galway 2-28 Dublin 1-17 S/H Wexford 3-25 Laois 1-17 S/F Dublin 4-29 Westmeath 0-10 S/F Roscommon 2-23 Leitrim 1-09 S/F Kildare 2-16 Meath 0-13 S/F Westmeath 3-17 Offaly 0-15 S/F Kildare 1-21 Laois 1-07 S/F Dublin 0-19 Carlow 0-07 S/F Tyrone 0-22 Derry 0-11 S/F Kerry 1-23 Cork 0-15, supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 02/07/2017 19:34:59 2009161 Link
Replying To supersub15: "This is only the first week end in July and some very lob sided results, I cant imagain what the next 3 months will bring, restructuring of some sort needed. S/H Dublin 2-28 Laois 1-15, S/H Offaly 0-14 Waterford 1-35, S/H Clare 2-18 Laois 0-14 S/H Galway 0-33 Offaly 1-11 S/H Galway 2-28 Dublin 1-17 S/H Wexford 3-25 Laois 1-17 S/F Dublin 4-29 Westmeath 0-10 S/F Roscommon 2-23 Leitrim 1-09 S/F Kildare 2-16 Meath 0-13 S/F Westmeath 3-17 Offaly 0-15 S/F Kildare 1-21 Laois 1-07 S/F Dublin 0-19 Carlow 0-07 S/F Tyrone 0-22 Derry 0-11 S/F Kerry 1-23 Cork 0-15," There have been nearly 40 matches in football! Some of those big results would have been between teams around the same tier. Kildare Meath Offaly Westmeath (first game having ended in a draw). There are large margins of victory sometimes in GAA. Just like in soccer some games can be 3 or 4 goal victories. The Lions were beaten handily last week and then turned it around to win this week. Even the likes of Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Brazil have been shown up on the big occasions in recent years. It happens, even to some of the best. Why in GAA do we insist that every game has to be a classic edge of the seat affair. Settled by 1 kick of a ball. Seriously it's absolutely ridiculous to think that teams won't beat each other handily from time to time. The reality of Gaelic games right now is that there are 4 or 5 properly strong teams at the top. 5/6 teams who are really struggling and then about 20 teams who could all beat each other on their day. Given those dynamics I don't know what structure would possibly be all that much more interesting than the current system. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 02/07/2017 20:43:32 2009204 Link

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