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some big games in inter still to be played.
Am i right that because bodens pulled out that score difference cannot be included and it will be on the head to head.
if no score difference then group is completely wide open. if ratnew win against billies they will top the group. Then whoever wins between ballinacor and kilmac will be back in the dogfite on same points as dunlavin and billies. we are assuming that everyone will beat aughrim.
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Replying To clubfan17: "After two rounds of games in Group two of the Junior A neither Knockannana or Laragh have registered a win. How then can they be considered favorites ahead of Kilcoole or Valleymount who have both won twice?
In inter Rathnew look very strong. Looks like it will be them the Billies and the winners of Dunlavin and Kilmac. Depends on which Dunlavin turns up, they have been very inconsistent, and if they have Cian O Sullivan and Gary Allen fit and on the pitch" yes but knockananna only played 1 game so far so they are not out of the question yes. But vallymount and kilcool now red hot to top the group
hurlingnut (Wicklow) - Posts: 311 - 22/07/2017 11:39:00
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Dunlavin should be winning this championship, but you win championships in Aughrim not talking about it in Dunlavin.
As the championship progresses you would think the momentum of Rathnew could point to the cup going east.
As for senior it seems the group stages are challenge matches for the big 4.
Rathnew, st pats, balto and Blessington.
Championship proper will start when they all get going in the quarter finals.
liamy. (Wicklow) - Posts: 141 - 24/07/2017 09:42:15
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Replying To liamy.: "Dunlavin should be winning this championship, but you win championships in Aughrim not talking about it in Dunlavin.
As the championship progresses you would think the momentum of Rathnew could point to the cup going east.
As for senior it seems the group stages are challenge matches for the big 4.
Rathnew, st pats, balto and Blessington.
Championship proper will start when they all get going in the quarter finals." Challenge matches they don't seem to be winning.
i.am.ahab. (Wicklow) - Posts: 255 - 24/07/2017 10:54:00
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Senior
Rathnew
Intermediate
Dunlavin
Junior A
Laragh
Junior B
Enniskerry
Junior C
Kilcoole
Senior Hurling
Bray
Intermediate Hurling
Glenealy
Junior Hurling
Kiltegan
HomerJay (Wicklow) - Posts: 369 - 24/07/2017 11:51:47
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The Intermediate championship to me is always the most competitive one and always hard won. Always throws up some unlikely winners too....look at the last 3 winners who all did it the hard way.....Aughrim, Rathnew & most memorably AGB last year, in a final they'll be talking about for the next 30 years! Looking at the group of death, there are going to be some cracking games the next few weeks in this group and hoping to get to some of them as would say they will be good. If look at the runners & riders as they stand, it is still all to play for.....as always, Dulavin & Donard are the first names people throw out but with Hollywood now down at this grade it makes it more competitive. I assume 3 still qualify for the knockouts from both groups?
Dunlavin- must beat Kilmac and hope other results to go their way namely that Ballinacor do not beat both Kilmac & Aughrim - otherwise at 8 points, Dunlavin lose out on head to head to Ballinacor;
Ballinacor - anything less that winning their last 2 games against Kilmac & Aughrim will see them exit the championship, given head to head with Ballymanus & Rathnew.
Ballymanus - beat Aughrim and they should have done enough you would think.
Kilmac - if Rathnew result is upheld, they can still reach the next stage only by beating Dunlavin & Ballinacor. If Rathnew result does not stand, they will still need to win 2 from 3 remaining games at a minimum.
Rathnew - if Kilmac result is upheld, they will qualify beating Aughrim. If not, they must beat Aughrim and must pick up one more win against either Kilmac or Billies to progress. 8 points gets them into next stage regardless of any other results elsewhere.
Aughrim - Intermediate champions in 2014, not nice to see them in their current predicament but club needs to rebuild and turnover of players has been significant.
St Bodens - the draw when it was conducted at the county board meeting was held up to allow them enter the championship….what was the point!
Dunlavin v Kilmac (Dunlavin)
Ballinacor v Kilmac (Kilmac)
Ballinacor v Aughrim (Ballinacor)
Kilmac v Rathnew (Rathnew)….the key game in deciding this group
Rathnew v Aughrim (Aughrim)
Ballymanus v Aughrim (Ballymanus)
Ballymanus v Rathnew (Rathnew)
Final Table
1. Ballymanus (10 points)
2. Rathnew (8 points) - finish 2nd based on head to head with Dunlavin
3. Dunlavin (8 points)
4. Kilmac (6 points)
5. Ballinacor (6 points)
6. Aughrim (2 points)
Prediction
1. Ballymanus (10 points) - my NAP for the championship and I expect them to beat both Aughrim & Rathnew and go straight into the semi-final.
2. Rathnew (8 points) - wins over two of their main rivals to date so that should ensure a safe passage - in a tight game, their record is second to none in digging out a result;
3. Dunlavin (8 points) - expect them to beat Kilmac and other results to go their way - would be dangerous then but track record in knock-out is not great - in tight championship games the last two years, they just seem to come up short.
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Dear WW-
The Rathnew v Kilmac game has been decided and Rathnew have gotten the win.
Also, I can't see Kilmac beating Ballinacor if Kilmac lose to Dunlavin. Crucially the Kilmac V Dunlavin game is first. If Dunlavin win it, I can't see Kilmac being too interested in the Ballinacor match.
Group 1
Carnew
Hollywood
Donard
Group 2
Rathnew
Ballymanus
Ballinacor
HomerJay (Wicklow) - Posts: 369 - 24/07/2017 14:50:14
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I meant so say Dunlavin will finish 3rd not the Cors! I fancy Dunlavin to get injured lads back and then go on to win it.
HomerJay (Wicklow) - Posts: 369 - 24/07/2017 14:53:02
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if Dunlavin beat Kilmac, then Kilmac wont have much to fight for in their last game against Ballinacor? Dunlavin are gone Id say! They'll come to regret that slow start against Ballinacor
clubfan17 (Wicklow) - Posts: 107 - 24/07/2017 15:00:45
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Replying To WW: "The Intermediate championship to me is always the most competitive one and always hard won. Always throws up some unlikely winners too....look at the last 3 winners who all did it the hard way.....Aughrim, Rathnew & most memorably AGB last year, in a final they'll be talking about for the next 30 years! Looking at the group of death, there are going to be some cracking games the next few weeks in this group and hoping to get to some of them as would say they will be good. If look at the runners & riders as they stand, it is still all to play for.....as always, Dulavin & Donard are the first names people throw out but with Hollywood now down at this grade it makes it more competitive. I assume 3 still qualify for the knockouts from both groups?
Dunlavin- must beat Kilmac and hope other results to go their way namely that Ballinacor do not beat both Kilmac & Aughrim - otherwise at 8 points, Dunlavin lose out on head to head to Ballinacor;
Ballinacor - anything less that winning their last 2 games against Kilmac & Aughrim will see them exit the championship, given head to head with Ballymanus & Rathnew.
Ballymanus - beat Aughrim and they should have done enough you would think.
Kilmac - if Rathnew result is upheld, they can still reach the next stage only by beating Dunlavin & Ballinacor. If Rathnew result does not stand, they will still need to win 2 from 3 remaining games at a minimum.
Rathnew - if Kilmac result is upheld, they will qualify beating Aughrim. If not, they must beat Aughrim and must pick up one more win against either Kilmac or Billies to progress. 8 points gets them into next stage regardless of any other results elsewhere.
Aughrim - Intermediate champions in 2014, not nice to see them in their current predicament but club needs to rebuild and turnover of players has been significant.
St Bodens - the draw when it was conducted at the county board meeting was held up to allow them enter the championship….what was the point!
Dunlavin v Kilmac (Dunlavin)
Ballinacor v Kilmac (Kilmac)
Ballinacor v Aughrim (Ballinacor)
Kilmac v Rathnew (Rathnew)….the key game in deciding this group
Rathnew v Aughrim (Aughrim)
Ballymanus v Aughrim (Ballymanus)
Ballymanus v Rathnew (Rathnew)
Final Table
1. Ballymanus (10 points)
2. Rathnew (8 points) - finish 2nd based on head to head with Dunlavin
3. Dunlavin (8 points)
4. Kilmac (6 points)
5. Ballinacor (6 points)
6. Aughrim (2 points)
Prediction
1. Ballymanus (10 points) - my NAP for the championship and I expect them to beat both Aughrim & Rathnew and go straight into the semi-final.
2. Rathnew (8 points) - wins over two of their main rivals to date so that should ensure a safe passage - in a tight game, their record is second to none in digging out a result;
3. Dunlavin (8 points) - expect them to beat Kilmac and other results to go their way - would be dangerous then but track record in knock-out is not great - in tight championship games the last two years, they just seem to come up short." Good analogy and I fully agree that intermediate is a tough championship to win with little regard for early favourites but what's your thinking behind Aughrim beating Rathnew. If they did beat Rathnew, then by default wouldn't Ballymanus beat Rathnew if you think the Billies will beat Aughrim? Its a bit of a 3 way conundrum that one. I cant even make an assumption on who the last 4 will be. Intermediate is almost impossible to predict. So called weaker teams play like never before and the championship favourites under perform. Its a great & entertaining championship in fairness.
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Replying To SidelineSupreme: "Good analogy and I fully agree that intermediate is a tough championship to win with little regard for early favourites but what's your thinking behind Aughrim beating Rathnew. If they did beat Rathnew, then by default wouldn't Ballymanus beat Rathnew if you think the Billies will beat Aughrim? Its a bit of a 3 way conundrum that one. I cant even make an assumption on who the last 4 will be. Intermediate is almost impossible to predict. So called weaker teams play like never before and the championship favourites under perform. Its a great & entertaining championship in fairness." Interesting replies there...A few mistakes in my post..I should have had Rathnew to beat Aughrim and Billies to beat Rathnew...always hard to call either way anyway.
Yeah I read the paper and it said that the Kilmac game had been awarded to Rathnew...and in fairness that was addressed pretty quickly..but if that's the case why has this not been reflected on the official table on the wicklow gaa website yet? Is it because there is an appeal in the background pending? Or taken up the line? It has a big bearing on the group the way results have gone.
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Replying To WW: "Interesting replies there...A few mistakes in my post..I should have had Rathnew to beat Aughrim and Billies to beat Rathnew...always hard to call either way anyway.
Yeah I read the paper and it said that the Kilmac game had been awarded to Rathnew...and in fairness that was addressed pretty quickly..but if that's the case why has this not been reflected on the official table on the wicklow gaa website yet? Is it because there is an appeal in the background pending? Or taken up the line? It has a big bearing on the group the way results have gone." No doubt it will be appealed but I think it should be only fair that Rathnew are awarded points. I cant see how they did anything wrong and seem to be getting punished for having strength in numbers.
Regardless, until I see an updated table I don't really have a clue what way it currently stands because so many teams have won and lost which is superbly competitive now. Any team going by previous results wont be fearing their next opponents. Are we likely to see an East vs West showdown?
SidelineSupreme (Wicklow) - Posts: 162 - 25/07/2017 08:08:52
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Seems to be a ready cohort of club officials who are very quick to the dramatic gesture. No rule broken so why are they complaining. They insist on refusing to field but all they done was give away the points and probably make sure there club will not move on out of the group.
hurlingnut (Wicklow) - Posts: 311 - 25/07/2017 21:34:20
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Interesting posts and I would concur that the intermediate championship is the most exciting and unpredictable out of any championship we have. The Junior A championship is probably second most competitive and, strangely enough, Senior is least competitive of all.
I think we would have much better championships in Wicklow if we stopped pretending that certain 'senior teams' were senior. Imagine a scenario where the championships were as they are now except every championship below Senior goes down a grade - Intermediate to Junior A, Junior A to Junior B, Junior B to Junior C and a new grade of Junior D.
You could have a Senior championship consisting of:
Baltinglass
Rathnew
Pats
Blessington
Kiltegan
Eire Og
Plus 4 district teams that any player from club which is not senior can enter (North, South, East and West)
Play one championship with the groups included to determine county champions and one round robbin competition without the group teams to determine relegation each year where any team who reached the semi finals is exempt from relegation round robbin - the loser to be replaced by the intermediate champions. This way the relegated team would have had two competitions to save their status and can have no complaints going down.
Then the Intermediate Championship would be consisting of:
AGB (borderline to pick for senior but just up from 'old' Intermediate and they are up and coming so let them earn their place in 'New' Senior first)
Coolkenno
Annacurra
Avondale
Newtown
Bray
Tinahely
(plus this years Intermediate champions)
One team goes up and one goes down each year.
There would be uproar from certain clubs but if they are good enough they'd make their way back to Senior quickly and in the mean time they'd be in a really competitive championship that would bring on each club in it and make them up their game to win a championship. I would say that all of those clubs I 'regraded' would say that at the start of each year they can't have a realistic goal of winning a championship but they think they are better than the current crop of intermediate teams so don't want to be down there either so why not give them a championship with who they regard as their equals and give them a championship to fight for.. Imagine how competitive that Senior, Intermediate, Junior A and Junior B championship would be each year!
wonderingabout (Wicklow) - Posts: 181 - 25/07/2017 21:54:23
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Oh, by the way - you all have it completely wrong on the predictions because you have the order of the games wrong and this is crucial.
The way I see it is that the 'Dunlavin group' isn't even in Dunlavin's hands. It will all come down to the Rathnew v Ballymanus game this weekend to see if Dunlavin will even have a chance of going through as it will have a domino effect.
If Rathnew win then they will top the group on full points and two of Billys, Dunlavin and balinacor will go through (on score difference if Bodens walkovers doesn't count or else by playoffs if the do count - score difference can't be used if any team of the 3 got a walkover).
If Billys win then they will top the group on head to head over Rathnew and Balinacor will finish third on head to head over Dunlavin.
I think the Billys will win this weekend and this is how it will finish (winners in brackets):
Rd 5:
Rathnew v Billys (Billys)
Balinacor v Aughrim (Balinacor)
Rd 6:
Billys v Aughrim (Billys)
Dunlavin v Kilmac (Dunlavin)
Rd 7:
Aughrim v Rathnew (Rathnew)
Kilmac v Balinacor (Balinacor simply because Kilmac are out by then if the lose to Dunlavin. However, if Kilmac beat Dunlavin I think they will also beat Balinacor and go through)
Final Table if Billys beat Rathnew and Dunlavin beat Kilmac:
1. Ballymanus (8 points) - finish 1st based on head to head with Rathnew
2. Rathnew (8 points)
3. Balinacor (6 points) - finish 3rd based on head to head with Dunlavin
4. Dunlavin (6 points)
5. Kilmac (2 points) - Relegation Battle
6. Aughrim (0 points) - Relegation Battle
Final Table if Billys beat Rathnew and Kilmac beat Dunlavin:
1. Ballymanus (8 points) - finish 1st based on head to head with Rathnew
2. Rathnew (8 points)
3. Kilmac (6 points)
4. Balinacor (4 points) - finish 4th based on head to head with Dunlavin
5. Dunlavin (4 points) - Relegation Battle
6. Aughrim (0 points) - Relegation Battle
So in my humble opinion it's out of Dunlavin's hands and they are simply playing Kilmac to avoid the relegation battle but Rathnew could save them.
wonderingabout (Wicklow) - Posts: 181 - 25/07/2017 22:15:07
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Good win for Laragh last night. Did it the hard way though.
Barndarrig went 6 points to no score up before Laragh started to play. Half time finished 7pts to 6 to Barndarrig.
Second half was all Laragh who even had the comfort of missing a penalty. Barndarrig managed just 1 point in the second half. Finished 1-11 to 0-8.
Saintkevinsbed (Wicklow) - Posts: 12 - 26/07/2017 08:30:07
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Replying To wonderingabout: "Oh, by the way - you all have it completely wrong on the predictions because you have the order of the games wrong and this is crucial.
The way I see it is that the 'Dunlavin group' isn't even in Dunlavin's hands. It will all come down to the Rathnew v Ballymanus game this weekend to see if Dunlavin will even have a chance of going through as it will have a domino effect.
If Rathnew win then they will top the group on full points and two of Billys, Dunlavin and balinacor will go through (on score difference if Bodens walkovers doesn't count or else by playoffs if the do count - score difference can't be used if any team of the 3 got a walkover).
If Billys win then they will top the group on head to head over Rathnew and Balinacor will finish third on head to head over Dunlavin.
I think the Billys will win this weekend and this is how it will finish (winners in brackets):
Rd 5:
Rathnew v Billys (Billys)
Balinacor v Aughrim (Balinacor)
Rd 6:
Billys v Aughrim (Billys)
Dunlavin v Kilmac (Dunlavin)
Rd 7:
Aughrim v Rathnew (Rathnew)
Kilmac v Balinacor (Balinacor simply because Kilmac are out by then if the lose to Dunlavin. However, if Kilmac beat Dunlavin I think they will also beat Balinacor and go through)
Final Table if Billys beat Rathnew and Dunlavin beat Kilmac:
1. Ballymanus (8 points) - finish 1st based on head to head with Rathnew
2. Rathnew (8 points)
3. Balinacor (6 points) - finish 3rd based on head to head with Dunlavin
4. Dunlavin (6 points)
5. Kilmac (2 points) - Relegation Battle
6. Aughrim (0 points) - Relegation Battle
Final Table if Billys beat Rathnew and Kilmac beat Dunlavin:
1. Ballymanus (8 points) - finish 1st based on head to head with Rathnew
2. Rathnew (8 points)
3. Kilmac (6 points)
4. Balinacor (4 points) - finish 4th based on head to head with Dunlavin
5. Dunlavin (4 points) - Relegation Battle
6. Aughrim (0 points) - Relegation Battle
So in my humble opinion it's out of Dunlavin's hands and they are simply playing Kilmac to avoid the relegation battle but Rathnew could save them." Don't forget kilmac gave walkover as well. So Bodes or not, score difference cannot count in the group.
hurlingnut (Wicklow) - Posts: 311 - 26/07/2017 23:30:21
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Is it definitely down to head to head or will there be a play-off?
clubfan17 (Wicklow) - Posts: 107 - 27/07/2017 10:57:37
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Replying To hurlingnut: " Replying To wonderingabout: "Oh, by the way - you all have it completely wrong on the predictions because you have the order of the games wrong and this is crucial.
The way I see it is that the 'Dunlavin group' isn't even in Dunlavin's hands. It will all come down to the Rathnew v Ballymanus game this weekend to see if Dunlavin will even have a chance of going through as it will have a domino effect.
If Rathnew win then they will top the group on full points and two of Billys, Dunlavin and balinacor will go through (on score difference if Bodens walkovers doesn't count or else by playoffs if the do count - score difference can't be used if any team of the 3 got a walkover).
If Billys win then they will top the group on head to head over Rathnew and Balinacor will finish third on head to head over Dunlavin.
I think the Billys will win this weekend and this is how it will finish (winners in brackets):
Rd 5:
Rathnew v Billys (Billys)
Balinacor v Aughrim (Balinacor)
Rd 6:
Billys v Aughrim (Billys)
Dunlavin v Kilmac (Dunlavin)
Rd 7:
Aughrim v Rathnew (Rathnew)
Kilmac v Balinacor (Balinacor simply because Kilmac are out by then if the lose to Dunlavin. However, if Kilmac beat Dunlavin I think they will also beat Balinacor and go through)
Final Table if Billys beat Rathnew and Dunlavin beat Kilmac:
1. Ballymanus (8 points) - finish 1st based on head to head with Rathnew
2. Rathnew (8 points)
3. Balinacor (6 points) - finish 3rd based on head to head with Dunlavin
4. Dunlavin (6 points)
5. Kilmac (2 points) - Relegation Battle
6. Aughrim (0 points) - Relegation Battle
Final Table if Billys beat Rathnew and Kilmac beat Dunlavin:
1. Ballymanus (8 points) - finish 1st based on head to head with Rathnew
2. Rathnew (8 points)
3. Kilmac (6 points)
4. Balinacor (4 points) - finish 4th based on head to head with Dunlavin
5. Dunlavin (4 points) - Relegation Battle
6. Aughrim (0 points) - Relegation Battle
So in my humble opinion it's out of Dunlavin's hands and they are simply playing Kilmac to avoid the relegation battle but Rathnew could save them." Don't forget kilmac gave walkover as well. So Bodes or not, score difference cannot count in the group."
Neither of my predicted tables involve Rathnew or Kilmac in a 3 way play off (the only way score difference could come in to it)
If it is two teams level on points then it is head to head (unless it was a draw which isn't the case).
wonderingabout (Wicklow) - Posts: 181 - 27/07/2017 14:55:21
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Replying To wonderingabout: " Replying To hurlingnut: "[quote=wonderingabout: "Oh, by the way - you all have it completely wrong on the predictions because you have the order of the games wrong and this is crucial.
The way I see it is that the 'Dunlavin group' isn't even in Dunlavin's hands. It will all come down to the Rathnew v Ballymanus game this weekend to see if Dunlavin will even have a chance of going through as it will have a domino effect.
If Rathnew win then they will top the group on full points and two of Billys, Dunlavin and balinacor will go through (on score difference if Bodens walkovers doesn't count or else by playoffs if the do count - score difference can't be used if any team of the 3 got a walkover).
If Billys win then they will top the group on head to head over Rathnew and Balinacor will finish third on head to head over Dunlavin.
I think the Billys will win this weekend and this is how it will finish (winners in brackets):
Rd 5:
Rathnew v Billys (Billys)
Balinacor v Aughrim (Balinacor)
Rd 6:
Billys v Aughrim (Billys)
Dunlavin v Kilmac (Dunlavin)
Rd 7:
Aughrim v Rathnew (Rathnew)
Kilmac v Balinacor (Balinacor simply because Kilmac are out by then if the lose to Dunlavin. However, if Kilmac beat Dunlavin I think they will also beat Balinacor and go through)
Final Table if Billys beat Rathnew and Dunlavin beat Kilmac:
1. Ballymanus (8 points) - finish 1st based on head to head with Rathnew
2. Rathnew (8 points)
3. Balinacor (6 points) - finish 3rd based on head to head with Dunlavin
4. Dunlavin (6 points)
5. Kilmac (2 points) - Relegation Battle
6. Aughrim (0 points) - Relegation Battle
Final Table if Billys beat Rathnew and Kilmac beat Dunlavin:
1. Ballymanus (8 points) - finish 1st based on head to head with Rathnew
2. Rathnew (8 points)
3. Kilmac (6 points)
4. Balinacor (4 points) - finish 4th based on head to head with Dunlavin
5. Dunlavin (4 points) - Relegation Battle
6. Aughrim (0 points) - Relegation Battle
So in my humble opinion it's out of Dunlavin's hands and they are simply playing Kilmac to avoid the relegation battle but Rathnew could save them." Don't forget kilmac gave walkover as well. So Bodes or not, score difference cannot count in the group."
Neither of my predicted tables involve Rathnew or Kilmac in a 3 way play off (the only way score difference could come in to it)
If it is two teams level on points then it is head to head (unless it was a draw which isn't the case)."]"If it is two teams level on points then it is head to head (unless it was a draw which isn't the case)."
This is exactly the point that I am making. If no walkovers in the group then Score difference would count and Dunlavin are by miles the biggest score difference at the moment but with walkovers that will not happen so it is head to head that will count.
hurlingnut (Wicklow) - Posts: 311 - 27/07/2017 20:24:06
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