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Replying To Soma: "I agree with all of that. It was the very same view I had as when a player infamously dived and feigned injury resulting in an opponent being sent off 2 years ago in an AI quarter final. Funnily enough some of those most keen for Connolly to now accept his ban were also some of those who complained hardest about unfair treatment, media witch hunts and players being unfairly singled out back then. There are far too many talking out of both sides of their mouths when it comes to discipline in the GAA." That's a very good post and an excellent point. It is also worth noting that the linesman in this instance stayed on his feet following the prod to the shoulder, unlike this chap..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o8kzJ0yLcWs
Yet we have Donegal people telling us to suck it up. Well personally I've no complaints. By the letter of the law he has to take a rest for a few games. A bit harsh for what he did, if it was Davy Fitz we'd all be laughing and saying what a fiery and inspirational character he is. But give a dog a bad name.. He has to learn to live with the targeting and get on with it without reacting to it. We'll take him back for the semi to drive the lads on.
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Replying To Soma: "I agree with all of that. It was the very same view I had as when a player infamously dived and feigned injury resulting in an opponent being sent off 2 years ago in an AI quarter final. Funnily enough some of those most keen for Connolly to now accept his ban were also some of those who complained hardest about unfair treatment, media witch hunts and players being unfairly singled out back then. There are far too many talking out of both sides of their mouths when it comes to discipline in the GAA." That's a very good post and an excellent point. It is also worth noting that the linesman in this instance stayed on his feet following the prod to the shoulder, unlike this chap..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o8kzJ0yLcWs
Yet we have Donegal people telling us to suck it up. Well personally I've no complaints. By the letter of the law he has to take a rest for a few games. A bit harsh for what he did, if it was Davy Fitz we'd all be laughing and saying what a fiery and inspirational character he is. But give a dog a bad name.. He has to learn to live with the targeting and get on with it without reacting to it. We'll take him back for the semi to drive the lads on.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 07/06/2017 16:07:07
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Replying To DLlegends: "I know what you mean.
But in all seriousness, you are always going to have disgruntled players voicing their distaste at being sent off. I have no issue with that, unless it is in a derogatory fashion.
But laying a hand on an official is not on. End off.
We are at a very delicate crossroads in GAA, which is built upon respect, inclusiveness and grassroots. It is all our responsibility to hold our hands up and say I'm not standing for that. The culture of win at all costs is turning kids and parents away in their droves to other sports.
The GAA needs to stand tall and say " abusing officials is not us". This is not part of the sport that I love and respect.
Believe me I know where Dub supporters are coming from. If it was MM, would I gave the same response. Well I can honestly say yes.
Sometimes the hardest thing to do is the right thing to do." That's fine but what Brendan Murphy done is a one game suspension offence.
to verbally abuse an official.
We know this because Philly McMahon got slapped with this by the cccc thays why he couldn't play against Carlow on Saturday.
So where is the cccc equality when they met up on Tuesday surely Murphy had to get a one match ban
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Replying To hill16no1man: "That's fine but what Brendan Murphy done is a one game suspension offence.
to verbally abuse an official.
We know this because Philly McMahon got slapped with this by the cccc thays why he couldn't play against Carlow on Saturday.
So where is the cccc equality when they met up on Tuesday surely Murphy had to get a one match ban" Fair enough.
DLlegends (Donegal) - Posts: 503 - 07/06/2017 16:37:28
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Replying To Joxer: "That's a very good post and an excellent point. It is also worth noting that the linesman in this instance stayed on his feet following the prod to the shoulder, unlike this chap..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o8kzJ0yLcWs
Yet we have Donegal people telling us to suck it up. Well personally I've no complaints. By the letter of the law he has to take a rest for a few games. A bit harsh for what he did, if it was Davy Fitz we'd all be laughing and saying what a fiery and inspirational character he is. But give a dog a bad name.. He has to learn to live with the targeting and get on with it without reacting to it. We'll take him back for the semi to drive the lads on." "Targeting". What a joke. Can you explain to us all what this means please in relation to the game at the weekend. Every forward in the country at club and county level is "targeted". It's more commonly known as marking.
Move on from the "targeting" stuff please.
Weary (None) - Posts: 249 - 07/06/2017 16:50:13
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I think everyone agrees that Connolly broke the rules. I think all the Dubs admit this. In the rule book it says 12 week ban which he has been banned for. Do the Dubs agree this if fair according the gaa rule book?
Now is 12 weeks to much for what he done? You could argue yes. However until the gaa agree to change this rule there isn't much that be done. Other players have been banned for incidents that don't fit the crime.
On the witch hunt debate from pundits etc I just don't see it. Spillane and O'Rourke obviously had to talk about the incident. They said according to the rules he should be banned, fair enough, many think the same. They didn't go overboard and only talked about if for a minute or so and moved on. A lot of ex players and pundits have came out and supported Connolly. O'Se and Brolly etc. Others like Pillar said he should be banned.
I know the Dubs on here are frustrated, I would be losing a player like Connolly. But I believe if this was Donaghy or Cillian O'Connor you would be saying he should be banned. A line has to be drawn under it but I can't see that happening with the GAA's convoluted appeals system. Again Tyrone have used this system in the past to get players of a ban so I'm not saying the Dubs shouldn't use it.
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"Targeting". What a joke. Can you explain to us all what this means please in relation to the game at the weekend. Every forward in the country at club and county level is "targeted". It's more commonly known as marking.
Move on from the "targeting" stuff please.
Weary (All) - Posts:170 - 07/06/2017 16:50:13 There is a very clear difference between "targeting" someone and "marking" them
They are very different
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/06/2017 17:01:32
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Replying To Weary: ""Targeting". What a joke. Can you explain to us all what this means please in relation to the game at the weekend. Every forward in the country at club and county level is "targeted". It's more commonly known as marking.
Move on from the "targeting" stuff please." You know the stuff that O'Rourke was talking about on the Sunday game. The verbals, the off the ball jersey pulling, the double man marking. If you look at the incident, there are 3 Carlow players on top of Connolly. It's just something he has to live with, extra 'attention'. All of the top players get it. Opposition players are going to want to wind him up because he's arguably the most talented player in the country and it's well known that he has a short fuse. You know, that kind of targeting.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 07/06/2017 17:02:42
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Replying To hill16no1man: "Thatd fine if it were within the rules to change your mind after the game
But it's not within the rules to do that is the point im making.
a ref cannot take no action on a strike offence in a game and then after the match decide you know what I think I now feel he deserves a red card for that and proceed to get him suspended.
it's not how it works" I don't know what was in the referees report but I would guess it was somewhere along the lines of either a) that he didn't see the Connolly incident or b) that he didn't feel that he dealt with it properly. i.e. that he was admitting that there was something missing in how the incident was dealt with.
So the referee holds his hands up that he didn't do the right thing.
We all agree that Connolly did break the rules don't we?
Compare that with Referee sludden in 2010. We all agree that joe Sheridan threw the ball into the net. We all agree that he should have gotten a penalty beforehand. We all agree that the ref made a balls of it. Now that referee never mentioned anything in his report and therefore there was nothing that CCCC could do to overturn the result or refix the game.
Compare with all Ireland hurling final in 1998 when Jimmy Cooney ended the game 5 minutes early. His report stated that he had made a mistake set his watch for 30 mins instead of 35 and CCCC took account of that and refixed game.
So the CCCC can only act on what is in the report. If a referee makes a mistake and admits it I think it is a far more admirable trait and may ultimately lead to better fairer and more correct decisions and actions by all who play our games. Not people trying to hide behind technicalities and loopholes and wrongs of the past.
It all boils down to - Connolly did break the rules.
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If there is a supposed witch hunt against Connolly, then why give the GAA an excuse to suspend him? He lost his temper over a line ball, in a game that Dublin were never going to lose. At some point you have to blame the player, rather than making excuses for him.
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Pictures all over the internet of other Gaa county players touching/pushing/man handling referee's never a word about it, but as soon as public enemy number 1 taps a ref the witch hunt starts." Not a witch hunt those pictures you seen where not pushing officials he deserves his suspension
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I would say Jim Gavin is fuming deep down.
As the lads on OFF the Ball said it is a big distraction for the entire group.
Now Dublin are a superb side so it may not hurt them too much- time will tell.
I hope Michael Murphy gets protected next week v Tyrone. Still though, the Glenswilly man usually doesnt look his cool - a top pro.
TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 07/06/2017 17:54:25
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Replying To Joxer: "You know the stuff that O'Rourke was talking about on the Sunday game. The verbals, the off the ball jersey pulling, the double man marking. If you look at the incident, there are 3 Carlow players on top of Connolly. It's just something he has to live with, extra 'attention'. All of the top players get it. Opposition players are going to want to wind him up because he's arguably the most talented player in the country and it's well known that he has a short fuse. You know, that kind of targeting." Just had a look at Sunday Game there. Dessie introduced the word targeting to proceedings. I see enough with my own eyes. I don't need anyone from the Sunday Game to set the agenda for me. Point still holds less of the targeting non sense. You'd swear DC is the only man in the country to be double marked or verbally abused or whatever you're having. That whole narrative worked last season it won't wash anymore.
Weary (None) - Posts: 249 - 07/06/2017 18:02:37
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Replying To Damothedub: "Couldn't agree more but parochial bias has always been the food of choice here ,there is a new medical condition just been diagnosed called Hoganstand Dementia
Root causes""" county in a spot of bother the type you don't normally defend ""
Symptoms """ Constant shifting of position and posting with Trump like confidence""
prognosis """ Most likely to last until the end of September """
Its been noted Hoganstand Dementia has no known cure and is likely to re-occur around late spring early summer." It's up there with Cutehoorarrhoea which seems to take hold from June through to end September.
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Replying To Weary: "Just had a look at Sunday Game there. Dessie introduced the word targeting to proceedings. I see enough with my own eyes. I don't need anyone from the Sunday Game to set the agenda for me. Point still holds less of the targeting non sense. You'd swear DC is the only man in the country to be double marked or verbally abused or whatever you're having. That whole narrative worked last season it won't wash anymore." How many Dublin matches have you attended in person? You will only see 'targeting' when you attend the game as most of it happens away from the play. Philly targets Donaghy, gives him verbals, drags his jersey etc. In fairness to Donaghy he keeps his cool. DC doesn't and hasn't in club football when Vincents and Mun have met and these two players have clashed in the past. I am telling you now that Tyrone will target Murphy, Cork will target JOD, Galway will target AOS. It happens. It's sport.
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Replying To TheRightStuff: "I would say Jim Gavin is fuming deep down.
As the lads on OFF the Ball said it is a big distraction for the entire group.
Now Dublin are a superb side so it may not hurt them too much- time will tell.
I hope Michael Murphy gets protected next week v Tyrone. Still though, the Glenswilly man usually doesnt look his cool - a top pro." Disagree here. Michael Murphy is targeted for sure, but loses his cool in every single game he plays.
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It's a murky case, see this is where the "he deserves the ban" argument falls down. Let's say the ref would have sent him off for "pushing" the linesman there and then in Portlaoise. I would have said, 12 week ban accepted. Officials dealt with it.
The 2 officials involved done nothing. Not a booking! But then they decide in the changing room let's write in the match report he pushed the linesman, that the ref didn't know until after the game!? Really.....the ref seen it. The linesman was "pushed" and didn't tell the ref there and then!?
The officials didn't deem it an offence until they heard the media reaction, and decided referees assessor won't be happy with this. Add that to the match report there to cover our holes!!!!
Trial by media.
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Replying To fearcliste: "I don't know what was in the referees report but I would guess it was somewhere along the lines of either a) that he didn't see the Connolly incident or b) that he didn't feel that he dealt with it properly. i.e. that he was admitting that there was something missing in how the incident was dealt with.
So the referee holds his hands up that he didn't do the right thing.
We all agree that Connolly did break the rules don't we?
Compare that with Referee sludden in 2010. We all agree that joe Sheridan threw the ball into the net. We all agree that he should have gotten a penalty beforehand. We all agree that the ref made a balls of it. Now that referee never mentioned anything in his report and therefore there was nothing that CCCC could do to overturn the result or refix the game.
Compare with all Ireland hurling final in 1998 when Jimmy Cooney ended the game 5 minutes early. His report stated that he had made a mistake set his watch for 30 mins instead of 35 and CCCC took account of that and refixed game.
So the CCCC can only act on what is in the report. If a referee makes a mistake and admits it I think it is a far more admirable trait and may ultimately lead to better fairer and more correct decisions and actions by all who play our games. Not people trying to hide behind technicalities and loopholes and wrongs of the past.
It all boils down to - Connolly did break the rules." Tell me honestly if you believe this was put in the report by the ref on his own accord?
If so why wasnt Brendan Murphy verbal abuse also in the report towards the same linesman?
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Replying To The_Fridge: "I think everyone agrees that Connolly broke the rules. I think all the Dubs admit this. In the rule book it says 12 week ban which he has been banned for. Do the Dubs agree this if fair according the gaa rule book?
Now is 12 weeks to much for what he done? You could argue yes. However until the gaa agree to change this rule there isn't much that be done. Other players have been banned for incidents that don't fit the crime.
On the witch hunt debate from pundits etc I just don't see it. Spillane and O'Rourke obviously had to talk about the incident. They said according to the rules he should be banned, fair enough, many think the same. They didn't go overboard and only talked about if for a minute or so and moved on. A lot of ex players and pundits have came out and supported Connolly. O'Se and Brolly etc. Others like Pillar said he should be banned.
I know the Dubs on here are frustrated, I would be losing a player like Connolly. But I believe if this was Donaghy or Cillian O'Connor you would be saying he should be banned. A line has to be drawn under it but I can't see that happening with the GAA's convoluted appeals system. Again Tyrone have used this system in the past to get players of a ban so I'm not saying the Dubs shouldn't use it." But are the rules applied fairly to both teams?
You can't report only one team for abusing the linesman
Murphy verbally abused the linesman which carries a penalty of a one match ban. Where was the cccc intervention here?
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 07/06/2017 18:37:41
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Replying To fearcliste: "I don't know what was in the referees report but I would guess it was somewhere along the lines of either a) that he didn't see the Connolly incident or b) that he didn't feel that he dealt with it properly. i.e. that he was admitting that there was something missing in how the incident was dealt with.
So the referee holds his hands up that he didn't do the right thing.
We all agree that Connolly did break the rules don't we?
Compare that with Referee sludden in 2010. We all agree that joe Sheridan threw the ball into the net. We all agree that he should have gotten a penalty beforehand. We all agree that the ref made a balls of it. Now that referee never mentioned anything in his report and therefore there was nothing that CCCC could do to overturn the result or refix the game.
Compare with all Ireland hurling final in 1998 when Jimmy Cooney ended the game 5 minutes early. His report stated that he had made a mistake set his watch for 30 mins instead of 35 and CCCC took account of that and refixed game.
So the CCCC can only act on what is in the report. If a referee makes a mistake and admits it I think it is a far more admirable trait and may ultimately lead to better fairer and more correct decisions and actions by all who play our games. Not people trying to hide behind technicalities and loopholes and wrongs of the past.
It all boils down to - Connolly did break the rules." It all boils down to Connolly broke the rules!?
When did he break the rules, after the game? Because none of the match officials thought he broke the rules when the alledged "push" originally happened. They thought it was a nothing incident! They only decided after getting the heads up that the "push" was getting talked about to add it to the match report. Covering their backsides in case the refs assessor brought it up with them.
If they thought he done something so badly wrong they would have sent him off. They dealt with it.
It's like a lad breaks another guys leg in the Premier League. The ref gives him a stern talking to. Then decides after the game, nah I'll give him a straight red and a 5 match ban! That's not how it works!
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