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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Not so much mate, hes a maverick, an enigma, genius touched with hot temper. Frustrating as hell when it doesn't come off/or banned. He however has been a star on 4 All Ireland winning teams, he owes us or the county very little to be honest and his legacy is already guaranteed. here is nothing left in the game for him to win to be honest. Its remarkable he still has the passion to bring him to the occasional incident."
He hasn't won player of the year."]Thankfully!

He's in good company, if the Gooch never won it, you want to win it mate. :)

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 09/06/2017 18:51:46    1997420

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Not so much mate, hes a maverick, an enigma, genius touched with hot temper. Frustrating as hell when it doesn't come off/or banned. He however has been a star on 4 All Ireland winning teams, he owes us or the county very little to be honest and his legacy is already guaranteed. here is nothing left in the game for him to win to be honest. Its remarkable he still has the passion to bring him to the occasional incident."
He hasn't won player of the year."]Neither did Colm Cooper. Doesn't mean he wasn't a hell of a footballer

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 09/06/2017 18:52:19    1997421

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "Joe Brolly's twitter has all the info
No mention in initial referees report, suddenly "appeared" afterwards
rotten"
Oh God if it's on Joe Brolly's Twitter account there's definitely been a miscarriage of justice. Cancel the suspension immediately!

jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 09/06/2017 18:58:36    1997423

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Replying To Iamlegion666:  "Did he break the rules?"
The rules are being broken in every game. Start handing out 12 week bans and there will be no footballers left to play the games.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 09/06/2017 22:52:49    1997470

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He's not appealing. Like Davy Fitz who took his suspension like a man both went up in my estimation. Maybe those defending him might wonder why when the man himself doesn't think he has a defense...

SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts: 591 - 09/06/2017 23:31:34    1997473

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Replying To TheUsername:  "He hasn't won player of the year."
Thankfully!

He's in good company, if the Gooch never won it, you want to win it mate. :)"]I never mentioned the gooch and can't see what he has to with this?

You said Connolly had won it all and I just pointed out that he never won player of the year.

That's not to say he won't come back next year and do a Paul Galvin and win it.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 10/06/2017 00:12:54    1997477

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Replying To poguemahone:  "Some good posts here. Have just read Conor Mortimer's comments and he more or less sums it up. Problem here is that we may get several incidents over any weekend. Quite a lot of these incidents go no further after the ref's whistle but others get taken up the SG and their pundits (in this case Pat Spillane). SG can quickly label a player to be a certain type (Galvin, Cavanagh, Connolly) and from on he is not judged independently. Lesser known (or more limited players) can go about constantly committing fouls or breaking rules but will always remain under the radar. Pot luck if they cop a ban as the SG will pay no heed to what they've done.

They should keep it simple. After the game, a quick review with the ref. Someone can highlight to the ref that he may have missed something and he can request a further review. Sends out all the wrong signals if we have to wait to see what is included in the SG highlight package before committees take their next steps."
I understand the point your making about the Sunday Game but in this instance it was already being reported in the media i.e. The Independent and the Times, before the SG showed it and the committee was already investigating it so it isn't the SG who highlighted it.

HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 10/06/2017 01:26:43    1997485

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "You see, I don't agree with this. The section of the Sunday Game that dealt with this went out maybe 27 hours after the incident. It was discussed everywhere, here included in between the incident and the SG. It seems convenient to always say that the SG are quick to condone, and blame them for bigging things up. Did you expect them not to talk about it? From my recollection, they discussed the incident, looked at what the rule states and gave a point of view about it. Just so happened to be Spillane who was there (gotta say, I was disappointed Whelan wasn't there - was looking forward to see what he would have said) Can't understand this hate for what they've said."
Thank you for stating that, absolutely correct. For once the precious and infallible Sky Sports was the one that initially highlighted the incident but somehow it's the Sunday Games fault.

HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 10/06/2017 01:32:21    1997486

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Maybe now when the dust has settled the GAA will review time based suspensions, if the same incident had occurred in an AI final he'd have missed very little football so it's an inherently unfair system

lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 10/06/2017 06:36:04    1997491

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Replying To SamandLiamSoon:  "He's not appealing. Like Davy Fitz who took his suspension like a man both went up in my estimation. Maybe those defending him might wonder why when the man himself doesn't think he has a defense..."
No consistency in how these matters are dealt with after the fact and no consistency with the black card either. It's a farce at times. I'm a Tyrone man obviously,but if Connolly gets 12 then shouldn't our own Mattie Donnelly be getting suspended too for giving Derrys Chrissy mc Kaigue a clash about the side of the head the week before?

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 10/06/2017 06:41:00    1997492

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "Isnt it interesting how many "fans" are baying for DC's blood, yet amost every single player who has commented is on his side saying no way should he get a lenghty ban.
Tomas O'Se, Marc O'Se, Johnny Doyle,Anthony Masterson, Colm Parkinson, Joe Brolly, Conor Mortimer, John Galvin etc etc etc have all come out saying he is unfairly treated here

Myself, I was livid with him initially, but having rewatched the incident, I totally agree with Tomas O'Se when he said "if a fella gets 12 weeks for that its a joke"
The linesman didnt even flinch, he paid no heed to it atall.....

The ironic thing is, if he does get 12 weeks, its backdated to saturday which means it expires the day BEFORE Dublins scheduled AI Semi Final, so in a weird way, it may work in his favour as he has less games to get into trouble in before the real stuff starts :)


Johnny Doyle yesterday in his column said if this was anyone else there would be zero furore, and that DC should face no ban.

Justice for Diarmuid (2017!)"
The issue isn't necessarily the force Of The action, but, that it was caught on camera, it didn't look good, and that if he got off, kids and adults all over the country can make minimal physical contact with officials, and use the DC case as a defence.

Personally, I think he deserves great credit for not appealing the ban. I think he's a credit to the sport for doing so, and I say this with 100 percent sincerity. The other occasions he successfully appealed, he Was The victim of Paddy McGrath feigning injury and a Lee keegan headlock. I think he knows this time he's wrong. It has to be unthinkable to do this to officials as there are still cases all over the country where this is happening.

A final point, it's sad we won't see DC for the summer as I always get a great kick out of watching the best players exhibit their skills. The CCCC have been slated in the past for not applying rules consistently, but in the K.McGeeney, EC and DC cases, they've done it.

galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 10/06/2017 07:00:20    1997493

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Thankfully!

He's in good company, if the Gooch never won it, you want to win it mate. :)"
I never mentioned the gooch and can't see what he has to with this?

You said Connolly had won it all and I just pointed out that he never won player of the year.

That's not to say he won't come back next year and do a Paul Galvin and win it."]More my own opinion on POTY mate, i lost the little respect i had for it when won Gooch never won it, i dont really see it as an esteemed achievement, it is madness that he never Ginger ninja never won it. I would differ to you in that i wouldn't see it a GAA title of note or necessarily think of it as an achievement in comparison to say winning something in the game the same as a national tittle etc. But each to his own.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/06/2017 08:48:16    1997501

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I can understand him not appealing to be honest, he is bang to rights by the letter of the law, what ever your onion on the length of the ban and the application of the rules. In a way i am glad he is getting a breather, he has been full pelt with club and county for the best part of a decade and i hope he goes and replenishes body, mind and spirit, see a bit of the world and come back later in the year more well rounded refreshed and ready to contribute what he can.

On a personal note i am disappointed that the due process of this hasn't been tested i have suspicions that this was handled in a very murky way from the linesman and referee not dealing with the incident during the game, to the "debrief" after the game, U-turn - to reporting to the CCCC. I say that knowing by the letter of the law that Connolly is guilty of the charge. However the due process of this and natural fairness of procedures i suspect haven't been adhered to and the integrity of that referee, linesman and GAA disciplinary procedures integrity has been very questionable in this case.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/06/2017 08:57:32    1997506

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I never mentioned the gooch and can't see what he has to with this?

You said Connolly had won it all and I just pointed out that he never won player of the year.

That's not to say he won't come back next year and do a Paul Galvin and win it."
More my own opinion on POTY mate, i lost the little respect i had for it when won Gooch never won it, i dont really see it as an esteemed achievement, it is madness that he never Ginger ninja never won it. I would differ to you in that i wouldn't see it a GAA title of note or necessarily think of it as an achievement in comparison to say winning something in the game the same as a national tittle etc. But each to his own."]You don't differ from me at all on this matter as I also don't see it as a GAA title of note either , but again I was only pointing out that Connolly hadn't won it all as in he hadn't won player of the year .

But like I say he has time yet and he might do a Paul Galvin come back next year and win it, And if I was a gambling man I might throw a tenner on it.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 10/06/2017 11:33:21    1997539

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I can understand him not appealing to be honest, he is bang to rights by the letter of the law, what ever your onion on the length of the ban and the application of the rules. In a way i am glad he is getting a breather, he has been full pelt with club and county for the best part of a decade and i hope he goes and replenishes body, mind and spirit, see a bit of the world and come back later in the year more well rounded refreshed and ready to contribute what he can.

On a personal note i am disappointed that the due process of this hasn't been tested i have suspicions that this was handled in a very murky way from the linesman and referee not dealing with the incident during the game, to the "debrief" after the game, U-turn - to reporting to the CCCC. I say that knowing by the letter of the law that Connolly is guilty of the charge. However the due process of this and natural fairness of procedures i suspect haven't been adhered to and the integrity of that referee, linesman and GAA disciplinary procedures integrity has been very questionable in this case."
You can be pretty sure the Dublin legal eagles looked at it in full so I'm assuming they didn't see any point in taking things on. I'm glad they didn't too. Dublin will still win leinster most probably even without Connolly and I would be surprised if they weren't fit to win a quarter final too. So justice will have been seen to be done and everyone, including Diarmuid Connolly,will move on from this.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 10/06/2017 13:04:20    1997558

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Replying To kildare73:  "You can be pretty sure the Dublin legal eagles looked at it in full so I'm assuming they didn't see any point in taking things on. I'm glad they didn't too. Dublin will still win leinster most probably even without Connolly and I would be surprised if they weren't fit to win a quarter final too. So justice will have been seen to be done and everyone, including Diarmuid Connolly,will move on from this."
When will you move on from it ?

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 10/06/2017 13:29:21    1997565

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Replying To kildare73:  "You can be pretty sure the Dublin legal eagles looked at it in full so I'm assuming they didn't see any point in taking things on. I'm glad they didn't too. Dublin will still win leinster most probably even without Connolly and I would be surprised if they weren't fit to win a quarter final too. So justice will have been seen to be done and everyone, including Diarmuid Connolly,will move on from this."
Absolutely Kildare73 I'm sure if the Dublin legal team had a case they would have taken it.

I doubt it's Connolly throwing him self on a grenade to save his buddies.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 10/06/2017 13:38:31    1997568

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I can understand him not appealing to be honest, he is bang to rights by the letter of the law, what ever your onion on the length of the ban and the application of the rules. In a way i am glad he is getting a breather, he has been full pelt with club and county for the best part of a decade and i hope he goes and replenishes body, mind and spirit, see a bit of the world and come back later in the year more well rounded refreshed and ready to contribute what he can.

On a personal note i am disappointed that the due process of this hasn't been tested i have suspicions that this was handled in a very murky way from the linesman and referee not dealing with the incident during the game, to the "debrief" after the game, U-turn - to reporting to the CCCC. I say that knowing by the letter of the law that Connolly is guilty of the charge. However the due process of this and natural fairness of procedures i suspect haven't been adhered to and the integrity of that referee, linesman and GAA disciplinary procedures integrity has been very questionable in this case."
Connolly was sent off two years ago in a game v Mayo. He was cited for some indiscretion. He was suspended. He appealed the decision as his right. He did not serve the suspension.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 10/06/2017 13:51:57    1997574

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "Isnt it interesting how many "fans" are baying for DC's blood, yet amost every single player who has commented is on his side saying no way should he get a lenghty ban.
Tomas O'Se, Marc O'Se, Johnny Doyle,Anthony Masterson, Colm Parkinson, Joe Brolly, Conor Mortimer, John Galvin etc etc etc have all come out saying he is unfairly treated here

Myself, I was livid with him initially, but having rewatched the incident, I totally agree with Tomas O'Se when he said "if a fella gets 12 weeks for that its a joke"
The linesman didnt even flinch, he paid no heed to it atall.....

The ironic thing is, if he does get 12 weeks, its backdated to saturday which means it expires the day BEFORE Dublins scheduled AI Semi Final, so in a weird way, it may work in his favour as he has less games to get into trouble in before the real stuff starts :)


Johnny Doyle yesterday in his column said if this was anyone else there would be zero furore, and that DC should face no ban.

Justice for Diarmuid (2017!)"
There's enough lack of respect for GAA Officials as it is. Anyone even suggesting for a second otherwise needs to ask themselves what they want this sport to be. Zero Tolerance when it comes to even looking sideways at a match official no matter who that player is and how aggrieved they feel. Even in soccer it's not tolerated, see Angel DiMaria on Michael Oliver at Old Trafford. Can you imagine if it happened in Rugby. Dylan Hartley got 11 weeks for calling the referee a "f***ing cheat". I'm not jumping on the DC bandwagon as I do think he's singled out just like other Gaelic Footballers for different reasons but just take each case on its merits.

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 10/06/2017 14:29:46    1997588

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Replying To HighKings:  "I understand the point your making about the Sunday Game but in this instance it was already being reported in the media i.e. The Independent and the Times, before the SG showed it and the committee was already investigating it so it isn't the SG who highlighted it."
Yeah but the same point. Whether it is the SG or different media, reviews should not be determined by media comments. Media will always highlight actions of the higher profile players/games than the lesser known players/games.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 12/06/2017 10:26:29    1998313

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