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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Was hardly what we wanted, don't be so sensitive. You cannot lay a hand on an official. 12 week ban is the rules. He had to get banned, otherwise we may as well throw out the rulebook. Officials have to be protected or this would have opened a can of worms"
Its fine to say that officials need to be protected but are players not as important. It was a nothing incident and the Ref or lines man felt same, as neither did anything about it. Maybe the Ref had an afterthought and then referenced it into his book when he got home. DC does need to cool down and we do have too many incidents off the ball with no action taken.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 07/06/2017 22:39:02    1996712

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Sad news if true, if young Comerford takes up an offer of a league of Ireland soccer deal in response to his GAA ban.

I suppose players in a modern context have their own cards to play in response to the GAA.

Can't see Dermot being trotted out for marketing like he has been most summers or during the club championships, oh well.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/06/2017 23:58:22    1996739

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Sad news if true, if young Comerford takes up an offer of a league of Ireland soccer deal in response to his GAA ban.

I suppose players in a modern context have their own cards to play in response to the GAA.

Can't see Dermot being trotted out for marketing like he has been most summers or during the club championships, oh well."
I cant blame Comerford at all.

The rules are pants....

You can thump the head off a guy off the ball and miss 1 game yet shout at or abuse the ref and miss 3 months.

A bit of perspective is required.

Abuse of officials verbal or minor = 1month ban or 2 games.
But 3 months, ah come on...

If I was Comerford I would be tempted to do the same and tell them to stick it where the sun dont shine.

GAA have opened a real can of worms here and cannot back down now going forward.
We could have a Summer of multiple 3 month bans for perceived minor offenses.

I do agree the officials do need to be protected but 3months ban.... sounds a bit extreme, especially when the rule is very seldom enforced.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 08/06/2017 08:28:09    1996760

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Oh yeah they're both at the lower end of the aggression scale I just don't agree that Galvin's was just "a petulant act". It was more aggresive than what Connolly did. Can you imagine if Connolly knocked the flag out of the linesmans hand? It wouldn't be considered petulant that's for sure."
How do you have an aggression scale in the rule book, are we going to start measuring the force/impact in newton/metres or something?

Donaghy should have been reprimanded for pushing the referee too, this is not an ambiguous issue, its straight forward, but consistency is sorely lacking from GAA officialdom..

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 08/06/2017 09:13:15    1996776

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Replying To Fionn:  "I cant blame Comerford at all.

The rules are pants....

You can thump the head off a guy off the ball and miss 1 game yet shout at or abuse the ref and miss 3 months.

A bit of perspective is required.

Abuse of officials verbal or minor = 1month ban or 2 games.
But 3 months, ah come on...

If I was Comerford I would be tempted to do the same and tell them to stick it where the sun dont shine.

GAA have opened a real can of worms here and cannot back down now going forward.
We could have a Summer of multiple 3 month bans for perceived minor offenses.

I do agree the officials do need to be protected but 3months ban.... sounds a bit extreme, especially when the rule is very seldom enforced."
While i wouldn't argue against Comerford, McGeeney or Dermo being guilty of infraction or breaking the rule as it stands. I would say the rule is very black and white and concrete.

I have an issue with the due process in Dermos case, i do however feel the rule should have a degree of flexibility in it as each incident comes with its own set of circumstances and is unique.

For argument sake if McGeeney, Connolly or Comerford has say punched or kicked the ref, the same three months, you could argue there is no incentive bar a moral one of course for players not to do this if they think they will get three months anyway.

Some kind of assessment and titration of the ban period depending on the severity and context needs to come into play.

Its a pity the game may loose one of its talented young stars and all stars in Comerford if it comes to pass.

I have a feeling the muinteoir attitude of the GAA may come back to bite them.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 08/06/2017 10:15:50    1996797

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Replying To bricktop:  "How do you have an aggression scale in the rule book, are we going to start measuring the force/impact in newton/metres or something?

Donaghy should have been reprimanded for pushing the referee too, this is not an ambiguous issue, its straight forward, but consistency is sorely lacking from GAA officialdom.."
100% agree

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 08/06/2017 10:21:12    1996801

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Well I don't think we'd need a scale in newtons or whatever to differentiate between what Connolly did or say someone roundhouse kicked a ref into a parallel world. No idea why you're splitting hairs with me, my only point was that Galvin's act was not as harmless as the previous poster suggested.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 08/06/2017 10:29:27    1996808

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"For argument sake if McGeeney, Connolly or Comerford has say punched or kicked the ref, the same three months, you could argue there is no incentive bar a moral one of course for players not to do this if they think they will get three months anyway. "

12 weeks is a MINIMUM suspension for MINOR physical interference with an official.
A punch or kick would fall into a different category with longer suspensions.

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 944 - 08/06/2017 10:52:39    1996820

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Replying To KeshGFC:  "Did he interfere with an official or didn't he... the man looked like he was about to lose it completely. Then again if he gets a ban we'll miss watching him lose it all summer. I mean seriously a line ball in a game against Carlow and you react like that ... what's he getting so excited about ..... ash now to sit back and watch the dubs circle the wagons and say 31 v 1 and so on and so on"
I'm not going to get into the debate over whether he should get a ban or not over the incident, to be honest at this stage it makes no difference to me. But in answer your question, perhaps it's because he goes into every game with the same passion and drive, be it Carlow or Kerry, or a first round game or an all Ireland final, that he has his 4 all Ireland medals.
For years we listened to the line of the Dubs are flaky, can't win the big games, can't cope outside of Leinster. Now that mindset has changed to one where every single game is treated the same, people are wondering why do players care about these type of games that we will win anyway, it's because they have to approach games that way, same as Tyrone did when they were winning, same reason Kerry put 20 or 30 points on the likes of Waterford when they were dominant, it's because a winning mentality can't be turned on and off like a tap, it's flat out or get out..

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 08/06/2017 11:06:22    1996833

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Replying To Fionn:  "I cant blame Comerford at all.

The rules are pants....

You can thump the head off a guy off the ball and miss 1 game yet shout at or abuse the ref and miss 3 months.

A bit of perspective is required.

Abuse of officials verbal or minor = 1month ban or 2 games.
But 3 months, ah come on...

If I was Comerford I would be tempted to do the same and tell them to stick it where the sun dont shine.

GAA have opened a real can of worms here and cannot back down now going forward.
We could have a Summer of multiple 3 month bans for perceived minor offenses.

I do agree the officials do need to be protected but 3months ban.... sounds a bit extreme, especially when the rule is very seldom enforced."
It's not as if this rule hasn't been enforced this season already. Connolly should have known what was liable to happen to him by doing what he did and if he didn't, well that's on him. Other people are serving their bans for this exact issue so he has to too. Frankly all the whinging and hair splitting on here is getting a bit tiresome and you are embarrassing yourselves by now. But carry on......

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 08/06/2017 11:07:24    1996835

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Replying To kildare73:  "It's not as if this rule hasn't been enforced this season already. Connolly should have known what was liable to happen to him by doing what he did and if he didn't, well that's on him. Other people are serving their bans for this exact issue so he has to too. Frankly all the whinging and hair splitting on here is getting a bit tiresome and you are embarrassing yourselves by now. But carry on......"
Tiresome ? why do you keep posting so ?

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 08/06/2017 11:31:36    1996848

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Replying To browncows:  "Its fine to say that officials need to be protected but are players not as important. It was a nothing incident and the Ref or lines man felt same, as neither did anything about it. Maybe the Ref had an afterthought and then referenced it into his book when he got home. DC does need to cool down and we do have too many incidents off the ball with no action taken."
Never said that players are not important, but this is not the issue here. Players are involved in a contact sport, the officials are not. We can't have a situation where it becomes ok to touch an official. Yes, I completely agree that there was not much in what DC did. Anyone can see that. However, it was a crossed line. If he gets away with this, or was not even cited, then we're basically telling kids or anyone else watching that it is ok. It is not. You cannot cross that line, no matter how tame the hand on/push was.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2385 - 08/06/2017 11:46:08    1996854

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Tiresome ? why do you keep posting so ?"
I notice you had no problem with me saying the carry on here is embarrassing so I take it you agree. If you got the tone of what I wrote you should have been able to work out as far as I'm concerned it's done. But you asked a question so now I'm answering. By the way, are the rumours true that the Amateur Barristers Convention is being held on Hill 16 this year??:)

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 08/06/2017 14:29:42    1996952

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Replying To kildare73:  "It's not as if this rule hasn't been enforced this season already. Connolly should have known what was liable to happen to him by doing what he did and if he didn't, well that's on him. Other people are serving their bans for this exact issue so he has to too. Frankly all the whinging and hair splitting on here is getting a bit tiresome and you are embarrassing yourselves by now. But carry on......"
???????

I didnt mention Connolly in my post at all.
My post was about the Tipp player Comerford...

Eh hello.....


I have already posted on another thread the DC should accept his ban and we move on, what so are you on about..???

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 08/06/2017 17:07:20    1997029

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Replying To kildare73:  "It's not as if this rule hasn't been enforced this season already. Connolly should have known what was liable to happen to him by doing what he did and if he didn't, well that's on him. Other people are serving their bans for this exact issue so he has to too. Frankly all the whinging and hair splitting on here is getting a bit tiresome and you are embarrassing yourselves by now. But carry on......"
???????

I didnt mention Connolly in my post at all.
My post was about the Tipp player Comerford...

Eh hello..... Are you thinking of a different poster.?


I have already posted on another thread the DC should accept his ban and we move on, what so are you refering to..???

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 08/06/2017 18:13:12    1997053

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Replying To Fionn:  "???????

I didnt mention Connolly in my post at all.
My post was about the Tipp player Comerford...

Eh hello..... Are you thinking of a different poster.?


I have already posted on another thread the DC should accept his ban and we move on, what so are you refering to..???"
It was actually meant as an independent post but it came up as a reply to you as I see now. Thanks for clearing that up..........twice:)

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 08/06/2017 18:34:04    1997057

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Replying To kildare73:  "I notice you had no problem with me saying the carry on here is embarrassing so I take it you agree. If you got the tone of what I wrote you should have been able to work out as far as I'm concerned it's done. But you asked a question so now I'm answering. By the way, are the rumours true that the Amateur Barristers Convention is being held on Hill 16 this year??:)"
That's it keep posting rubbish, hopefully not to tiresome for you .

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 08/06/2017 18:41:38    1997060

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Was a nothing incident. People need to have some bloody cop on. Leave Connolly alone and let him play his football. Some people are always looking for ways to stymie good players and their teams other than by beating them on the score board. A load of nonsense in all seriousness.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 08/06/2017 21:02:26    1997096

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Replying To superbluedub:  "That's it keep posting rubbish, hopefully not to tiresome for you ."
YAWN!!

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 08/06/2017 21:18:16    1997102

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Replying To seanie_boy:  "Was a nothing incident. People need to have some bloody cop on. Leave Connolly alone and let him play his football. Some people are always looking for ways to stymie good players and their teams other than by beating them on the score board. A load of nonsense in all seriousness."
Did he break the rules?

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 08/06/2017 21:32:03    1997110

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