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Dublin vs The best of Leinster

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Replying To OLLIE:  "Ziggy that would of been one third of the team from Kildare as already I have two other players from the lillies on my team. I said I wanted to include a player from at least one of the ten other counties. Not an easy thing. What would be your team?"
fair point to be honest i just looked at your team.

my team would be hard to pick,because some players i have seen too much of lately. only saw your lad mcdonnell in the obc,so you would know more about him.
seen quite a bit of the kildare lads,laois,westmeath and meath(obviously) so my team would be biased towards those counties.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 26/05/2017 13:11:01    1990992

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1-A. Mulhall (Offaly)
2-P. Rath (Louth)
3-D. Hyland (Kildare)
4-D. Keoghan (Meath)
5-K. Cribben (Kildare)
6-E. Doyle (Kildare)
7-J. Dolan (Westmeath)
8-J. O Loughlin (Laois)
9-B. Murphy (Carlow)
10-N. Kelly (Kildare)
11-C. O Sullivan (Meath)
12-P. Sharry (Westmeath)
13-D. Kingston (Laois)
14-J. Heslin (Westmeath)
15-N. McNamee (Offaly)

Jackos_Wacko (Kerry) - Posts: 417 - 26/05/2017 13:28:41    1991000

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would the rest of munster beat kerry?

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:7718 - 26/05/2017

No, and likewise the rest of Connacht wouldn't beat Galway or Mayo either.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 26/05/2017 14:00:50    1991010

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "Well lets look at ourselves and the stats since the Qualifiers were introduced (given we would be the lowest ranked Ulster County in that period).

In the All-Ireland series in this time we have played a total of 41 games.
20 of these games were within the Ulster Championship
21 in the Qualifiers

Ulster Championship = we have lost 16/20 games
Qualifiers = we have lost 14/21 games

In the Qualifiers we have played but never beaten an Ulster side (4 times). Of the 7 games we didn't lose in the Qualifiers 4 times the opposition were from Leinster.

Ergo if Antrim were in Leinster it is more than likely we would have at least one Leinster title and probably an All Ireland in there too..... ;-)"
Antrim have never played Longford, Offaly and Wicklow in the championship. They have played 16 times against the other Leinster counties and their record stands at 4 wins, 1 draw and 11 defeats with a win ratio of 25 %. Their wins have come against Carlow, Laois, Westmeath and Kilkenny. I think they are better of staying in Ulster.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 26/05/2017 14:47:09    1991027

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "fair point to be honest i just looked at your team.

my team would be hard to pick,because some players i have seen too much of lately. only saw your lad mcdonnell in the obc,so you would know more about him.
seen quite a bit of the kildare lads,laois,westmeath and meath(obviously) so my team would be biased towards those counties."
Ziggy I picked Keoghan and Reilly. I was gonna put in Lenihan but I would be dropping someone else. What Meath players would you pick?

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 26/05/2017 14:49:44    1991028

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Replying To Jackos_Wacko:  "1-A. Mulhall (Offaly)
2-P. Rath (Louth)
3-D. Hyland (Kildare)
4-D. Keoghan (Meath)
5-K. Cribben (Kildare)
6-E. Doyle (Kildare)
7-J. Dolan (Westmeath)
8-J. O Loughlin (Laois)
9-B. Murphy (Carlow)
10-N. Kelly (Kildare)
11-C. O Sullivan (Meath)
12-P. Sharry (Westmeath)
13-D. Kingston (Laois)
14-J. Heslin (Westmeath)
15-N. McNamee (Offaly)"
Fair play Jacko for picking the Wee County captain on your team.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 26/05/2017 14:50:32    1991029

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Well said, also the likes of Longford who cant win a game in Leinster can beat Monaghan,Derry, Donegal over THIS decade. Ulster has a complex of themselves that the facts dont back up"
When did Longford beat Donegal?

Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 244 - 26/05/2017 15:00:26    1991036

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Replying To OLLIE:  "Ziggy I picked Keoghan and Reilly. I was gonna put in Lenihan but I would be dropping someone else. What Meath players would you pick?"
lenihan still has to do it in the champ.think you would have to pick a team based on that to be honest..

keoghan,reilly,o'sullivan and maybe harnan for me right now. but not easy to pick such a team. would 100% have the first 3 that i mentioned.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 26/05/2017 15:04:36    1991039

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Replying To royaldunne:  "The best in Leinster will face them, they are called Meath, would the pick of ulster compete with dubs?? Since not one county from province made it to last 4 last year with exception of Brendan murphy , the other counties can keep the rest. We are very happy with what we have thanks for offer though."
You are acting as if Meath are the second best team in Leinster after Dublin. Westmeath and Kildare are and have been better than Meath in championship in the last number of years. Meath are an embarrassment.

HurlingSnob (Dublin) - Posts: 220 - 26/05/2017 15:04:44    1991040

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Replying To Jackos_Wacko:  "1-A. Mulhall (Offaly)
2-P. Rath (Louth)
3-D. Hyland (Kildare)
4-D. Keoghan (Meath)
5-K. Cribben (Kildare)
6-E. Doyle (Kildare)
7-J. Dolan (Westmeath)
8-J. O Loughlin (Laois)
9-B. Murphy (Carlow)
10-N. Kelly (Kildare)
11-C. O Sullivan (Meath)
12-P. Sharry (Westmeath)
13-D. Kingston (Laois)
14-J. Heslin (Westmeath)
15-N. McNamee (Offaly)"
not bad,would have reilly in there,but damn close to the one i would likely pick..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 26/05/2017 15:05:47    1991041

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Replying To Al_Maguire:  "When did Longford beat Donegal?"
I think he might Down.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 26/05/2017 15:19:50    1991051

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Replying To royaldunne:  "The best in Leinster will face them, they are called Meath, would the pick of ulster compete with dubs?? Since not one county from province made it to last 4 last year with exception of Brendan murphy , the other counties can keep the rest. We are very happy with what we have thanks for offer though."
RD, the best of ulster is something like this right now:

R Beggan
C McCarron
N McGee
C Walshe
F Mcglynn
C McKaigue
R McHugh
C Cavanagh
M Donnelly
S Cavanagh
G McKiernan
P Harte
C McManus
M Murphy
P McBrearty


More than enough quality there to beat Dublin.
In fact, move the all ireland series from croker in Dublin to ballybofey in Donegal and I honestly think Donegal would beat Dublin more often than not.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 26/05/2017 15:28:53    1991056

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "would the rest of munster beat kerry?"
I'm being lazy here but if you pick the cork team and add comerford (best keeper in ireland right now), quinliven, Acheson and Brennan to it and get colm O'Neill fully fit then they'd probably beat kerry.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 26/05/2017 15:31:07    1991059

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Replying To OLLIE:  "Fair play Jacko for picking the Wee County captain on your team."
I didn't even know he was the Wee county captain Ollie but it's no surprise either. I've only seen him a handful of times and he has great leadership qualities.

Jackos_Wacko (Kerry) - Posts: 417 - 26/05/2017 15:33:28    1991061

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "not bad,would have reilly in there,but damn close to the one i would likely pick.."
I could have gone with Reilly, Eoin O Connor, Ben Brosnan, Ciaran Lyng, Paul Kingston, Kieran Martin as my 6 forwards and they would be nearly as good but I felt there was more of a balance with the 6 I picked with regards to work rate and they can all play between 10-15.

Jackos_Wacko (Kerry) - Posts: 417 - 26/05/2017 15:40:05    1991062

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "would the rest of munster beat kerry?"
No. Unfortunately not. The gaps is widening too. The Munster under 2, minor and under 17, colleges championships have been a stroll in the park for Kerry this year.

Much has been made of Clare and Tipp's resurgence but they have caught up with Cork (and we have slipped miles behind Kerry). Still, we drive on and hope that it may change.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 26/05/2017 16:05:15    1991069

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Replying To cavanman47:  "RD, the best of ulster is something like this right now:

R Beggan
C McCarron
N McGee
C Walshe
F Mcglynn
C McKaigue
R McHugh
C Cavanagh
M Donnelly
S Cavanagh
G McKiernan
P Harte
C McManus
M Murphy
P McBrearty


More than enough quality there to beat Dublin.
In fact, move the all ireland series from croker in Dublin to ballybofey in Donegal and I honestly think Donegal would beat Dublin more often than not."
RD was just on a typical rant there, taking offence at some perceived slight on his precious Meath.

If the pick of Ulster trained properly together and were to play Dublin I think then Ulster take them 8 or 9 times out of 10.

Just quickly adding McManus, McBrearty and Murphy to the Tyrone panel gets you to a team that'd be proper AI challengers.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 26/05/2017 16:24:24    1991077

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Replying To Jackos_Wacko:  "I didn't even know he was the Wee county captain Ollie but it's no surprise either. I've only seen him a handful of times and he has great leadership qualities."
Jacko he made his championship debut in 2009 and he has become a regular in the Louth starting team since 2012. He has made 20 Championship appearance and amazingly he scored his first ever championship point against Wicklow on Sunday. His club the Dreadnotts from Clogherhead have never won the senior championship but have been there or there abouts since 2012.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 26/05/2017 17:39:52    1991093

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Replying To OLLIE:  "Antrim have never played Longford, Offaly and Wicklow in the championship. They have played 16 times against the other Leinster counties and their record stands at 4 wins, 1 draw and 11 defeats with a win ratio of 25 %. Their wins have come against Carlow, Laois, Westmeath and Kilkenny. I think they are better of staying in Ulster."
Hi Ollie, was wondering in what year Antrim beat Kilkenny in football championship. Must have been back in early days of GAA ?

Jack_Sparrow (Westmeath) - Posts: 1017 - 26/05/2017 19:27:32    1991111

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Replying To if_in_doubt:  "Add in Heslin, John O'Loughlin, Niall mcnamee and niall kelly and the forwards are there. Couldn't name too many defenders to cope with dublin attack though. Maybe Meaths six backs and goalie.

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts:1232 - 25/05/2017

Are they Meath seniors or minors though?"
Either would do

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1700 - 26/05/2017 19:40:40    1991112

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