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Replying To TheFlaker:  "My point is how could Connolly not have got the line for that yet the officials were able to pick out the handbags with Murphy? Connolly will and should get 3 months, Tipp goalkeeper got the same for an apparent minor incident with an official."
Didn't realise you were at the tipp club game to see that incident

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/06/2017 12:13:14    1994322

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Why have you recently started putting hahahaha in all your posts?"
Flattered you pay that much attention to my posts
Any requests for the next one?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/06/2017 12:13:55    1994323

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Replying To HurlingSnob:  "The linesman obviously didn't think he'd been overly made contact with. He never made anything of it or never alerted the referee. And it wasn't handbags with Murphy. He was on a yellow and he grabbed Cooper in a headlock and tried to pull him to the ground. It was arguably a straight red or very close to it."
There's no point in arguing on here when comes to Dublin matches.
nearly all other county supporters (honourable few who don't) just want to see Dublin lose and want to use a microscope to analyse any Dublin player incident or free awarded to Dublin but the silence when Dublin don't get decisions is clear that they don't view the game equally it's more biased than either participating teams as they just want to see Dublin lose.
so it's waste of time discussing a match involving your county on the main page these days I find.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/06/2017 12:18:12    1994325

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Well done Carlow.The bookmakers made you an even money chance to lose by 19.Many punters are lining up to collect

worple (Roscommon) - Posts: 339 - 04/06/2017 12:23:22    1994329

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "Why do think did Murphy grab Cooper and throw him to the ground?"
Presumably you are suggesting there are mitigating circumstances leading to Murphys second yellow ? Ie, Cooper must have done something for Murphy to react.

Interesting look at it.

Wonder do you take the same angle when judging Diarmuid Connolly's off the ball incident against Krry in the league final which saw him get a black card ?

Murphy was already booked. It was a second yellow (resulting in red) or a black card (already on a yellow so yellow + black = red) so you can have no complaints once he is already on a yellow. Doesn't matter if the first one was harsh, when you're already on a yellow you cant do what he done.

He deserved to go. End of.

As for Connolly ?? Standard Connolly. Don't care how good a footballer he is, He is a liability and will get yet another ban.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 04/06/2017 12:30:23    1994339

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Didn't realise you were at the tipp club game to see that incident"
It doesn't matter who saw the Tipp club game. What matters is the reported offence. Minor interference which is defined as putting a hand on an official. Connolly is clearly guilty of that. The Tipp precedent, upheld by CHC, means Connolly is certain to receive 12 week ban. Proper order too.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 04/06/2017 12:32:57    1994344

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "It doesn't matter who saw the Tipp club game. What matters is the reported offence. Minor interference which is defined as putting a hand on an official. Connolly is clearly guilty of that. The Tipp precedent, upheld by CHC, means Connolly is certain to receive 12 week ban. Proper order too."
It said minor offence
so if putting your hand on an official is the only minor offence? I doubt it
Donaghy and cillian o connor do this week in week out to influence officials decision making, there was no threatening intent in what Connolly done to cause harm, I wasn't at the club game in tipp like I'm sure nearly everybody else on here so I don't know what exactly the guy did that day.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/06/2017 12:55:03    1994358

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "They only see what they want to see."
The words pot, kettle & black spring to mind here....

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 04/06/2017 13:14:55    1994373

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "It happened right in front of me. Carlow were on the attack on the opposite side of the field and had won a free which they were trying to take quickly. Murphy was trying to support the attack on the opposite side and was trying to sprint in support. Copper pulled his jersey back. Murphy wrestled him free but Cooper regained his hold of the jersey. Murphy became frustrated and his reaction warranted a yellow. The linesman saw it all but failed to inform the ref that Cooper had committed a definite black card offence."
I have no objection to Cooper getting carded and if that's what he did then he should have. But you started your first post asking why do I think Murphy did what he did. People seem to think that if you're provoked then you shouldn't be punished.

HurlingSnob (Dublin) - Posts: 220 - 04/06/2017 13:47:23    1994404

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "The words pot, kettle & black spring to mind here...."
Great day out in Port Loais yesterday many thanks to our hosts. One of the best organised away games i have been at, its a pity we dont get more of them. Sort it out Leinster council.

Carlow fans were brilliant, had some great craic with some at the game. I have serious respect for them. Someone from Kerry was talking about how deeply football is felt in that county yesterday. Well i think its easy said for Counties like my own who enjoy success, if you want to see real fans the Carlow fans are exactly that, deep passion, great knowledge and are there for there county without success. A joy to spend time with.

The game itself wasn't great, the approach to Dublin seems to have followed on from the lessons of the AI final last year from Mayo, Kerry followed the model with a twist in the league final and Carlow yesterday, bodies behind the ball, break up Dublin momentum. Its not pretty on the eye but its effective. Thats not a criticism you have to have a strategy to beat Dublin. But i think we are in for a poor year of football if im being honest. Carlow played their system brilliantly have some very good players, Murphy obviously could grace most sides, haha and the lad i only know as "horse" by the Carlow fans at 4, bulled through the lines a few times. Best of luck in the qualifiers and thanks for the craic yesterday.

Another sluggish display by the Jacks yesterday, we really look of our usual pace and tempo. I am hoping that this is a new training regime as opposed to a lack of hunger or father time catching up with a few. Some concerns for me to be worked on are getting the ball into the forward line, we have to anticipate that every county is going to have at least 14 men behind the ball ala Mayo, Kerry and Carlow. Bringing the ball into the swarm and working the opportunity and recycling the ball, i dont think will bring us enough scores, teams will learn how not to give away frees and we may have difficulty. We need a game plan around triggering the forward line. There just isn't enough ball getting into it. Another concern is the squad is getting a bit stretched, injuries to Costello, Small, MDM, Paul Flynn? and a pending Dermo suspension may leave us lighter then usual. Some players seem out of form, i thought Macker and Mannion looked of it yesterday. Some choices of shooting rather then passing were poor. So loads to work on.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 04/06/2017 14:08:41    1994414

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On the plus side im glad we had a game of that style yesterday, we will learn nothing thumping teams by 20 points, especially if we get that far we have the Ulster side of the draw and Kerry and Mayo play that style of football these days anyway. Three players had great games yesterday, Kilkenny is just brilliant he played well in midfield yesterday, but he plays everywhere, half back, midfield, half forward, he is probably the best and most underrated footballer in the game. James McCarthy also consistently awesome. Jack McCaffery is a rolls royce of a footballer, just a pleasure to live through his playing years, if Dublin win it i think he will be POTY again. I think one thing to highlight from yesterday of the 9 forwards who played for Dublin yesterday, 4 were making championship debuts. So integration of talent into this team is an ongoing process and we cant judge to critically, these lads need opportunity and experience to develop. Good to see Murcheon on the bench also.

I suppose overall i have a nagging feeling this may not be our year, while i think we might still be the best team and play the best football, i think the stars may be aligning against us, injuries, suspensions and counties at the apex of spoiling tactics i think might better us this year. i have also said the team may be entering a bit of transition and i think that may be evident with the young players on display and making debuts yesterday. May be time for a step back for another forward. But listen we will be competitive and do what we do, being Dublin and all.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 04/06/2017 14:08:55    1994415

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Didn't realise you were at the tipp club game to see that incident"
Dubs fans defending this nonsense are doing no favours for themselves. I defend Dublin on here all the time when the chat starts about funding etc etc but let's call a spade a spade here. The Tipp incident was covered in the media and the report was made public. Are you suggesting the circumstances that led to the ban are not what I posted?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7906 - 05/06/2017 18:19:42    1995158

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Dubs fans defending this nonsense are doing no favours for themselves. I defend Dublin on here all the time when the chat starts about funding etc etc but let's call a spade a spade here. The Tipp incident was covered in the media and the report was made public. Are you suggesting the circumstances that led to the ban are not what I posted?"
I'm suggesting you seem to think both incidents are identical when one clear fact we know is that comerford was sent off by the ref for his incident, where as connolly wasn't despite the ref and linesman clearly seeing it. So comerford case was a straight forward disciplinary issue for the cccc whereas cccc are meeting to see if Connolly has any case. The very fact the ref deemed it not worthy of any punishment at the time makes this a completly different situation.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/06/2017 18:50:51    1995180

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Lads let's just wait to see what the CCCC has to say tomorrow! No point going over all this until more is known really, by the letter of the law Connolly should get a Suspension, but will just have to wait and see how it goes.

Looking at this with blue tinted glasses and there is a chance that he'd still be available for a possible semi-final and certainly if Dublin are good enough he'll definitely be available for the final! So who knows it may prove to be a game changer are when it's needed most ? But all this is just pure speculation until we hear back either tomorrow night or early Wednesday.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 05/06/2017 18:59:40    1995192

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Lads let's just wait to see what the CCCC has to say tomorrow! No point going over all this until more is known really, by the letter of the law Connolly should get a Suspension, but will just have to wait and see how it goes.

Looking at this with blue tinted glasses and there is a chance that he'd still be available for a possible semi-final and certainly if Dublin are good enough he'll definitely be available for the final! So who knows it may prove to be a game changer are when it's needed most ? But all this is just pure speculation until we hear back either tomorrow night or early Wednesday."
Fair post Jimbo. I am only looking for some of the Dubs to at least acknowledge how stupid he was and take his medicine.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7906 - 05/06/2017 19:50:16    1995216

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Fair post Jimbo. I am only looking for some of the Dubs to at least acknowledge how stupid he was and take his medicine."
No your doing like spillane brolly and most journalists and applying the assumption that because comerford got suspended means Connolly must and assuming they done the same thing which by all accounts seems to be completely wrong if what is being said comerford did.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/06/2017 21:18:19    1995261

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "No your doing like spillane brolly and most journalists and applying the assumption that because comerford got suspended means Connolly must and assuming they done the same thing which by all accounts seems to be completely wrong if what is being said comerford did."
No actually I'm going by the GAA rulebook. Maybe have a look at the rules regarding what Connolly did and let me know what you think? And just because tje ref or linesman didn't deal with the incident properly doesn't mean there is no case to answer.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7906 - 05/06/2017 21:37:13    1995271

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