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Replying To sam1996:  "So for the second penalty number 5 literally jumped on Fennellys back and dragged him down...this is not a yellow card in your book? It was a possible red"
I think you need to look up,the rule book!

It's a yellow card offence to drag a player to the ground, which he got.

But technically he didn't actually drag the player to the ground at all, he tackled him with his hands which is actually only a yellow if he has been noted for doing that already. secondly the offence actually started outside the square yet fennely kept charging into the square. The offence should be noted from where it started not where it finished.

It's funny but every time a player is manhandled people are screaming for yellow cards when most of the time they're not yellow card offences.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1338 - 14/06/2017 10:48:32    1999470

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It was a possible red
sam1996 (Meath) - Posts:415 - 14/06/2017 10:37:18

Last defender bringing down an attacker clean through on goal would be a red card in soccer.
Wrong sport there lad.

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 14/06/2017 11:05:17    1999479

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "
Replying To Pinkie:  "We are only teams to beat them more than once in the last 12 or 13 seasons.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1646 - 12/06/2017 17:57:16 1998662

No your not. We beat them twice in the past 3 months."
Championship Pinkie, championship. We've had plenty of wins over them in the league too. Beating Kilkenny of all teams in championship Hurling is where its at.

Don't get me wrong. Beating Kilkenny twice this year is pretty good going. Ye backed it up after Nowlan Park and fair dues to ye."
We beat them twice in the championship in the last 13 seasons, 2004 and 2017.....by my understanding, Tipp have also beaten them twice in the championship in the same time frame? Am I correct?

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 14/06/2017 11:36:43    1999509

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Don't talk to me about that 'penalty' in the 2009. It still angers me."
Don't blame you !
Never a penalty.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 14/06/2017 11:49:38    1999517

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Replying To extranjero:  "It was a possible red
sam1996 (Meath) - Posts:415 - 14/06/2017 10:37:18

Last defender bringing down an attacker clean through on goal would be a red card in soccer.
Wrong sport there lad."
Hence why I said possibly. I am aware it is not a rule but making no attempt to get the ball whatsoever could be classified as a red.

sam1996 (Meath) - Posts: 436 - 14/06/2017 12:16:30    1999533

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I am aware it is not a rule...

sam1996 (Meath) - Posts:416 - 14/06/2017 12:16:30


So he should have been punished with a rule that doesn't exist?

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 14/06/2017 12:49:33    1999549

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Replying To extranjero:  " I am aware it is not a rule...

sam1996 (Meath) - Posts:416 - 14/06/2017 12:16:30


So he should have been punished with a rule that doesn't exist?"
its all about the referees interpretation of the rules....no attempt whatsoever to play the ball can be deemed a red yes...This doesn't have to be written in black and white. Jumping on somebodys back and pulling to the ground could be deemed dangerous play and a red card by some referees. Would you like me to explain it to you in anymore ways?

sam1996 (Meath) - Posts: 436 - 14/06/2017 13:44:53    1999576

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Replying To sam1996:  "
Replying To extranjero:  " I am aware it is not a rule...

sam1996 (Meath) - Posts:416 - 14/06/2017 12:16:30


So he should have been punished with a rule that doesn't exist?"
its all about the referees interpretation of the rules....no attempt whatsoever to play the ball can be deemed a red yes...This doesn't have to be written in black and white. Jumping on somebodys back and pulling to the ground could be deemed dangerous play and a red card by some referees. Would you like me to explain it to you in anymore ways?"
But he didn't drag him to the ground!

He actually stayed on his feet as he barged on.

Your actually looking for a non existent rule to be applied to an incident that didn't happen.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1338 - 14/06/2017 14:46:39    1999608

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Replying To sam1996:  "
Replying To extranjero:  " I am aware it is not a rule...

sam1996 (Meath) - Posts:416 - 14/06/2017 12:16:30


So he should have been punished with a rule that doesn't exist?"
its all about the referees interpretation of the rules....no attempt whatsoever to play the ball can be deemed a red yes...This doesn't have to be written in black and white. Jumping on somebodys back and pulling to the ground could be deemed dangerous play and a red card by some referees. Would you like me to explain it to you in anymore ways?"
There was NO rule or circumstances under which he should have been sent off. None. If you think he did, you don't have a clue about the game.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 14/06/2017 14:51:56    1999611

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Replying To Pinkie:  "
Replying To Killarney.87:  "[quote=Pinkie:  "We are only teams to beat them more than once in the last 12 or 13 seasons.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1646 - 12/06/2017 17:57:16 1998662

No your not. We beat them twice in the past 3 months."
Championship Pinkie, championship. We've had plenty of wins over them in the league too. Beating Kilkenny of all teams in championship Hurling is where its at.

Don't get me wrong. Beating Kilkenny twice this year is pretty good going. Ye backed it up after Nowlan Park and fair dues to ye."
We beat them twice in the championship in the last 13 seasons, 2004 and 2017.....by my understanding, Tipp have also beaten them twice in the championship in the same time frame? Am I correct?"]Fair enough Pinkie, point taken. If you want to be like that Tipp and Galway are the only ones to beat Kilkenny twice in the championship since 2005 or over the past 13 seasons 2005 - 2017 inclusive. We are the only ones to beat them twice over the last 8 seasons.

Don't worry I'm all for more counties putting it up to Kilkenny and beating them. The comment about Tipp and Galway not beating Kilkenny more often irked me because there are another 6 or 7 strong hurling counties with us who hide behind the attitude of "Tipp and Galway let us down again".

Success seems to be measured by how full your trophy cabinet is. Since the 2008 season, Tipp has consistently reached a higher standard of hurling than they did at any point since the glory days of the 60s. We lost the 2009 final but that team put in one of the best performances I ever saw from a Tipp team, I was never so proud of a Tipp in defeat as I was that day, the physicality and skill was off the charts and a far cry from the 2007 effort by Tipp. 2011, we played averagely but Kilkenny couldn't put us away at the same time. 2012 was the low point against Kilkenny, the team got rightfully sledged for that lack of performance. 2013, JJ's arse was the difference in a cauldron atmosphere in Nowlan Park. 2014 we were a hairline call away from beating them. We didn't meet them in 2015 and comprehensively beat them last year.

So you can ram stats down my throat about Tipp only winning 2 All-Irelands over the last 10 years and being a team that disappears for a decade after beating Kilkenny. With the exception of Galway, we got little support in the quest to stop Kilkenny's dominance of the sport. Tipp posters were laughed at during the early stages of the league when we said Galway were the team to watch this year. We don't look half as stupid now. I think Galway will answer their critics once and for all this September.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 14/06/2017 15:11:33    1999619

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Killarney.87, I would gladly swap those 2 All-Irelands! I was being tongue in cheek, there is no doubt whatsoever Tipp were the only team to take the fight to KK for so long.
If Galway cannot win the All-Ireland from here, they will never win it!

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 14/06/2017 15:43:46    1999633

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Replying To MesAmis:  "I thought Fennelly fouled as much he was fouled for the first penalty to be honest. He seemed to grab a hold of the defender's jersey at the same time that the defender got a hold of him. Six of one and half dozen etc.

Two beautifully struck penalties though. The second in particular."
So you're saying that with the ball in one hand and a hurl in another, Fennelly managed to somehow grab the jersey of the defender who had his arms wrapped around Fennelly and drag him towards goal, along with another defender, while maintaining hold of both his hurl and the ball?.
I've watched the incident a few times https://youtu.be/oUOmoocZRus?t=31 and fail to see this trick occurring

This is not directed at you in particular but I'm wondering when getting the ball and running directly towards goal became 'charging'. Having played the game all my life, I thought charging was where a player tries to run through the opponent for want of a better description. I don't see Fennelly doing that in that clip either

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 14/06/2017 18:24:12    1999691

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Replying To Pinkie:  "Killarney.87, I would gladly swap those 2 All-Irelands! I was being tongue in cheek, there is no doubt whatsoever Tipp were the only team to take the fight to KK for so long.
If Galway cannot win the All-Ireland from here, they will never win it!"
It's an unbelievably good opportunity for Galway. With the exception of Killeen, they are pretty much injury free. Canning is playing great stuff. They are so strong down the middle from goalkeeper to full forward, no weaknesses I can see.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 14/06/2017 20:08:15    1999722

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "It's an unbelievably good opportunity for Galway. With the exception of Killeen, they are pretty much injury free. Canning is playing great stuff. They are so strong down the middle from goalkeeper to full forward, no weaknesses I can see."
galway biggest weakness is in their head.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 14/06/2017 20:51:32    1999733

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Replying To perfect10:  "galway biggest weakness is in their head."
They seem to be well run and organised this time around. I think Donoghue was cut out the in-fighting too.

We'll know in three months either way.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 15/06/2017 01:31:24    1999784

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