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Replying To slayer: "An enjoyable game of hurling. Davy's transformation of Wexford probably summed up in Jack Guiney who worked hard and setup some good opportunities for team mates. Agree with lads who said Kilkenny no longer have the depth in quality but I wouldn't fancy meeting them in the back door route." Fair point Slayer but IF Limerick were to draw Kilkenny AND beat them...well their season would surely ignite! keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 12/06/2017 14:27:49 1998489 Link
Replying To Laois76: "You seem to expect Colin Fennelly to stay still and not move forward. He's within his rights to move his legs forward! Penalties result when a powerful, pacy man moves forward and backs have to grapple with him to stop scoring. Look at where his jersey ended up when he got the first penalty. The damage to the defence is done when primary possession is won by the forward." i also feel colin fennelly is as guilty of charging as he is of being fouled.also he gives the defender a slight nudge when he is going for the ball also,and i dont feel that is rose tinted glasses. same with richie power when he got the penalty v tipp in 09/10 i am not sure which,the penalty shefflin converted. the full back does not have to get out of the forwards way and all the forward has to do is throw his arms around the full back. now there was no disputing the penalties on saturday at the same time. martin storey was also great at it back in the day. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 12/06/2017 14:39:46 1998505 Link
Replying To perfect10: "i also feel colin fennelly is as guilty of charging as he is of being fouled.also he gives the defender a slight nudge when he is going for the ball also,and i dont feel that is rose tinted glasses. same with richie power when he got the penalty v tipp in 09/10 i am not sure which,the penalty shefflin converted. the full back does not have to get out of the forwards way and all the forward has to do is throw his arms around the full back. now there was no disputing the penalties on saturday at the same time. martin storey was also great at it back in the day." Yes they were penalties but what is annoying is that players get booked just because it was a penalty. For an penalty it has to be deemed an aggressive foul however when you look at both of these aggressive fouls they don't I believe fall into the category of a yellow card. Basically they were holding the player - in the old days he would have got a wallop of the hurl but you could not say that these were under the rules bookable fouls. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 12/06/2017 16:01:23 1998572 Link
Replying To perfect10: "i also feel colin fennelly is as guilty of charging as he is of being fouled.also he gives the defender a slight nudge when he is going for the ball also,and i dont feel that is rose tinted glasses. same with richie power when he got the penalty v tipp in 09/10 i am not sure which,the penalty shefflin converted. the full back does not have to get out of the forwards way and all the forward has to do is throw his arms around the full back. now there was no disputing the penalties on saturday at the same time. martin storey was also great at it back in the day." I know there's a bit of skill in getting the penalty. I'd say Richie's one against Tipp in 2009 was more of a case of head down though. It's a great skill for a defender to try and not over commit and try and get some contact on the hurl or ball, ball going to boot etc. Very much easier said than done. We all try and block with our body and hold our ground. When a big man gets a ball who knows what he's about it's very difficult for a defence. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 12/06/2017 16:04:14 1998578 Link
It is a little concern for Wexford though. They need to stop as much primary possession being caught in the full forward line. The likes of Canning, Callinan etc would make hay. That's not belittling Wexford, who i always have a grá for, but a mark of how far they've come and how they'll be judged now. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 12/06/2017 16:06:50 1998581 Link
Replying To Laois76: "It is a little concern for Wexford though. They need to stop as much primary possession being caught in the full forward line. The likes of Canning, Callinan etc would make hay. That's not belittling Wexford, who i always have a grá for, but a mark of how far they've come and how they'll be judged now." From a Kilkenny point of view this is where most pundits thought they'd be post 2013. It's absolutely remarkable how they dug in and won 2 back to back all-irelands while on the wane. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 12/06/2017 16:10:25 1998586 Link
Replying To zinny: "Yes they were penalties but what is annoying is that players get booked just because it was a penalty. For an penalty it has to be deemed an aggressive foul however when you look at both of these aggressive fouls they don't I believe fall into the category of a yellow card. Basically they were holding the player - in the old days he would have got a wallop of the hurl but you could not say that these were under the rules bookable fouls." I agree for a first offence. The penalty in itself is enough punishment. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 12/06/2017 16:12:08 1998588 Link
Replying To Laois76: "It is a little concern for Wexford though. They need to stop as much primary possession being caught in the full forward line. The likes of Canning, Callinan etc would make hay. That's not belittling Wexford, who i always have a grá for, but a mark of how far they've come and how they'll be judged now." It's a valid point. I'm delighted listening to most of the comments about the game. Most of it seems to revolve around Kilkenny playing really badly. The reality is wexford didn't actually play brilliantly either and we have loads to work on. After the first 10 mins we coped better at nit allowing primary possession being caught in their full forward line but found it harder in the second half against the wind. Basically the wind allowed the ball to be launched from almost anywhere straight down to our 21. Despite the obvious delight at beating our great rivals after so long the general consensus is jeez we still have a lot to work on. A fully fit Damien reck is a huge addition but not sure the extent of his injury, mixed reports, also jack o Connor struggled with injury coming into the game and we missed David Dunne who was arguably our best forward last year and caused the most hassle against Kilkenny in the league. We have loads to work on and will be underdogs again the next day. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1338 - 12/06/2017 16:24:11 1998600 Link
great win for Wexford..beating Kilkenny twice the one year in knock out games (ok they have the backdoor in Cship)...best way to beat Kilkenny was the way Wexford won on Saturday evening..close game and sneak it right at the end after a Kilkenny comeback..it would serve Wexford no use to win by 10 or 12 points or more as people would only say Kilkenny were tired or worn out etc..that win will stand to Wexford no doubt..Kilenny came back into it as expected and Wexford just pulled off again to win..good scoring too none of this rediculous 3-30 to 2-23 score lines etc...Fergal Horgan done a good job reffing and I think he pulled Kikenny for the little and not so little things Brian Gavin and to a lesser extent Barry Kelly tend ed to let Kilkenny off with over the years...wonder how Kilkenny will take the back door..they were some team to be fair to them... Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 12/06/2017 16:51:52 1998622 Link
Replying To Laois76: "From a Kilkenny point of view this is where most pundits thought they'd be post 2013. It's absolutely remarkable how they dug in and won 2 back to back all-irelands while on the wane." I agree with that. Also, Tipperary & Galway were guilty of letting them off the hook. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 12/06/2017 17:08:15 1998630 Link
Replying To perfect10: "i also feel colin fennelly is as guilty of charging as he is of being fouled.also he gives the defender a slight nudge when he is going for the ball also,and i dont feel that is rose tinted glasses. same with richie power when he got the penalty v tipp in 09/10 i am not sure which,the penalty shefflin converted. the full back does not have to get out of the forwards way and all the forward has to do is throw his arms around the full back. now there was no disputing the penalties on saturday at the same time. martin storey was also great at it back in the day." Don't talk to me about that 'penalty' in the 2009. It still angers me. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 12/06/2017 17:51:52 1998658 Link
Replying To keeper7: "I agree with that. Also, Tipperary & Galway were guilty of letting them off the hook." We lost by 3 points in 2013 in Nowlan park thanks to JJ's arse and were a hairline call of beating them in 2014. Granted both us and Galway let them take charge of the 10 minutes after half time of the 2014 replay and 2015 final. Kilkenny easily dispatched Galway in the 2015 final but they put it to the cats in the final. Saying you'll beat Kilkenny and going out and doing it is another thing. We were convinced we'd take them in 2015 but Galway had other ideas so what can you do. We are only teams to beat them more than once in the last 12 or 13 seasons. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 12/06/2017 17:57:16 1998662 Link
Replying To Bon: "He gave them two penalties didn't he?" He didn't "give" them 2 penalties for the crack! They were blatant penalties.In fact I thought Colin Fennelly should have had another penalty in the first half.The ref definitely favoured Wexford as the game wore on. Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 12/06/2017 21:03:37 1998749 Link
We are only teams to beat them more than once in the last 12 or 13 seasons. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1646 - 12/06/2017 17:57:16 1998662 No your not. We beat them twice in the past 3 months. Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 13/06/2017 08:07:53 1998865 Link
Replying To Pinkie: "We are only teams to beat them more than once in the last 12 or 13 seasons. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1646 - 12/06/2017 17:57:16 1998662 No your not. We beat them twice in the past 3 months." Championship Pinkie, championship. We've had plenty of wins over them in the league too. Beating Kilkenny of all teams in championship Hurling is where its at. Don't get me wrong. Beating Kilkenny twice this year is pretty good going. Ye backed it up after Nowlan Park and fair dues to ye. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 14/06/2017 05:13:13 1999390 Link
I thought Fennelly fouled as much he was fouled for the first penalty to be honest. He seemed to grab a hold of the defender's jersey at the same time that the defender got a hold of him. Six of one and half dozen etc. Two beautifully struck penalties though. The second in particular. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 14/06/2017 08:06:17 1999396 Link
Replying To Killarney.87: " Replying To Pinkie: "We are only teams to beat them more than once in the last 12 or 13 seasons. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1646 - 12/06/2017 17:57:16 1998662 No your not. We beat them twice in the past 3 months." Championship Pinkie, championship. We've had plenty of wins over them in the league too. Beating Kilkenny of all teams in championship Hurling is where its at. Don't get me wrong. Beating Kilkenny twice this year is pretty good going. Ye backed it up after Nowlan Park and fair dues to ye." your record against kilkenny isnt that good to be crowing about.they have beat you a lot more than you have beaten them! perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 14/06/2017 09:00:14 1999416 Link
Replying To Condorman: "He didn't "give" them 2 penalties for the crack! They were blatant penalties.In fact I thought Colin Fennelly should have had another penalty in the first half.The ref definitely favoured Wexford as the game wore on." You're probably right there Condorman, that is if you dismiss the amount of charging Fennelly does, or if you ignore the number of steps he takes. yelowbelly (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 14/06/2017 09:56:50 1999441 Link
Replying To Laois76: "I agree for a first offence. The penalty in itself is enough punishment." So for the second penalty number 5 literally jumped on Fennellys back and dragged him down...this is not a yellow card in your book? It was a possible red sam1996 (Meath) - Posts: 436 - 14/06/2017 10:37:18 1999463 Link
Replying To sam1996: "So for the second penalty number 5 literally jumped on Fennellys back and dragged him down...this is not a yellow card in your book? It was a possible red" Under what rule was it a red? The only rule it was a yellow under was repeated fouling. For what it is worth, I think hurling needs a sin bin (not a black card, because that is just nonsense) for these sort of fouls. Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 14/06/2017 10:43:57 1999466 Link