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Replying To Dubsfan28: "Championship wins over Kilkenny don't come along too often and Wexford's last was in 2004 so I'm sure alot of the young fans on the field can't remember or weren't even born so I wouldn't blame them for the celebrations to be honest as days like that don't come around all the time." Agreed. I remember great celebrations when Wexford beat Kilkenny in the Leinster semi in 1996. They were followed by better ones when they beat Offaly in a classic Leinster Final. And all the celebrations didn't effect the team as they went on to beat Galway in the all-ire semi and then Limerick in the final! Wexford celebrating seems to generate momentum but in many other counties it seems to lead to complacency. Wexford had similar celebrations when they got on a roll in 2014 beating Waterford and Clare after a replay. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 11/06/2017 20:10:06 1998063 Link
Replying To bennybunny: "Wexford were very good. Everybody is rightly saying that Lee Chin had a great game. I would say he was pushed hard for man of the match by Diarmuid O'Keeffe who was also exceptional. I think there is also more in Wexford. They may improve after tonight's game. Their next game will be a bigger test again. Kilkenny are also still a fine side. Perhaps now, they are just as good as everyone else. They have been pulled into the pack instead of being well ahead." It feels very open like in 2013 when the big 2 (Tipp and KK) were knocked out of their respective provinces and met in Nowlan Park in the qualifiers during that July's heatwave. Maybe the omens are good for a heatwave too ;) Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 11/06/2017 20:12:34 1998067 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "Wexford thoroughly deserved the win and I'd like to see them win Leinster, but I think last night's team was the worst Kilkenny team of the Brian Cody era. Only Fennelly, Buckley and possibly Reid played anywhere up to acceptable standard. Ger Aylward had a few very bad misses but he was getting on a lot of ball, I think he should have been left on longer. Richie Hogan is not fully fit but it shows how threadbare the panel is that he had to pick players who are obviously unfit." It really does feel like a transitionary period for KK at the moment. Having said that they can beat anyone. The present team also is in the unenviable position of being compared with the KK team of 10 yrs ago. A few posters have mentioned Cody retiring in a year or so. I feel it'll be very much like Sean Boylan with Meath. He'll be allowed to go when he feels the time is right. Only right and proper for the greatest ever gaa manager. He may still have a few days in the sun too. One KK problem is they aren't producing underage teams of the calibre of the 2002-2003 minors, the 2004 and 2006 U21's etc. The minor won in 2015 was an average enough team i felt. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 11/06/2017 20:18:42 1998076 Link
Was Cody a bit harsh on Aylward and Walsh? At least they were winning some ball. Maybe they were both risked from an injury point of view and it backfired. The more Mick Fennelly doesn't play, the more he is missed. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 11/06/2017 22:24:55 1998174 Link
Replying To Jedobi: "Good to see Dublin commenting maybe get your own house in order first. Wexford deserved the win, played with skill and passion, something Dublin failed to do against Galway." Nobody said Wexford didn't deserve the win. Maybe you can't read English. All I said is it was an awful game. I made no slight against Wexford and yet your reply is attacking Dublin. HurlingSnob (Dublin) - Posts: 220 - 12/06/2017 02:05:07 1998224 Link
What would Kilkenny have done without Colin Fennelly? Richie Hogan and TJ look like shadows of their former selves. Kilkenny are gone in my opinion. Nowhere near the levels of the past. There won't be an All-Ireland in KK for a few years. I could be wrong but I felt that last September and nothing I've seen since has changed that opinion. Fair play to Wexford though. It was great to see a big crowd and the celebrations on the pitch afterwards. Lee Chin was immense. I think there's a great Leinster Final brewing. I'd make Galway (no offence Offaly) slight favourites but it'll be close. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13709 - 12/06/2017 08:23:13 1998246 Link
What an evening it was on Saturday! Having endured plenty of bad ones, days like Saturday make up for it all. Kilkenny have regressed, but we have also progressed at a serious rate, in terms of our play but also in terms of belief. We never panicked when we had a shaky start. In the second half, Chin really showed what an inspirational leader he is. The joyous scenes on the pitch afterwards, it was just class. I thought the papers reaction, "stun" was the word in most headlines, was nonsense. I was not surprised we won, I felt Kilkenny might have had a bit too much, but I felt we had a great chance. Having beaten them already this year as well. I know the teams ambitions will have soared much higher than beating Kilkenny, so now it is on to Galway (most likely, sorry Offaly) and a Leinster Final. I would not have thought that last winter, amazing the impact a manager can have to make a team believe what they can do. Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 12/06/2017 10:04:57 1998299 Link
Good win for Wexford but to be fair the ref did not do Kilkenny any favours and done a lot for wexford...Hometown decisions sam1996 (Meath) - Posts: 436 - 12/06/2017 10:23:50 1998312 Link
Replying To Killarney.87: "Was Cody a bit harsh on Aylward and Walsh? At least they were winning some ball. Maybe they were both risked from an injury point of view and it backfired. The more Mick Fennelly doesn't play, the more he is missed." Yes, I was beginning to think I was the only person who was thinking this. Aylward and Walsh had some terrible wides but were getting on some ball at least, they didn't deserve to be taken off in the first half. Chris Bolger was a disaster when he came on. Although what might have done for Aylward was that he was beaten to a ball by a Wexford back and committed a stupid, lazy foul after the back cleared it, leading to a handy Wexford score. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 12/06/2017 10:42:28 1998328 Link
I certainly wont be putting the boot in on Kilkenny , a puck of the ball here or there was all that was in it , right team won the game , rare to see Wexford with that appetite and belief, Lee Chin fantastic , allways love watching McDonald since his under 21 days .summer in hurling really hotting up Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 12/06/2017 10:42:43 1998329 Link
Replying To sam1996: "Good win for Wexford but to be fair the ref did not do Kilkenny any favours and done a lot for wexford...Hometown decisions" He gave them two penalties didn't he? Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1911 - 12/06/2017 10:43:27 1998330 Link
Other counties should now look at the Wexford model and take belief. When you look back to 12 months ago they are now promoted and into the leinster final plus last 8. Why change the hurling structure when there are nights just like Saturday. Tipperary and Kilkenny are not ahead of anyone anymore. It's s level playing field from now on. WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 12/06/2017 10:55:28 1998337 Link
Replying To Bon: "He gave them two penalties didn't he?" The two penalty quota was reached, your're saying? Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 12/06/2017 11:23:42 1998356 Link
Replying To Bon: "He gave them two penalties didn't he?" yes he gave them 2 penalties....does this mean he was fair overall no? a blind man would have given them penalties and he could have given at least two more. Every time Kilkenny got a sniff of goal they were man handled. It was more like rugby that wexford backs were playing. Should have been dealt with by the ref with early cards. Towards the end KK forward was 100% fouled and his hurl fell and he handpassed it off and a free out was given. This is from a neutral point of view. Ref was terrible sam1996 (Meath) - Posts: 436 - 12/06/2017 11:32:32 1998365 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "Yes, I was beginning to think I was the only person who was thinking this. Aylward and Walsh had some terrible wides but were getting on some ball at least, they didn't deserve to be taken off in the first half. Chris Bolger was a disaster when he came on. Although what might have done for Aylward was that he was beaten to a ball by a Wexford back and committed a stupid, lazy foul after the back cleared it, leading to a handy Wexford score." i think once aylward was booked he was going to get hauled off. the big difference ballydalane i felt was whereas in the past kilkenny would have had a player who would walk onto any team in the country on the line,that is no longer the case. i thought the referee was fair to both sides.i did not see too many home town decisions and i think i am fair on that front. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 12/06/2017 11:36:26 1998369 Link
An enjoyable game of hurling. Davy's transformation of Wexford probably summed up in Jack Guiney who worked hard and setup some good opportunities for team mates. Agree with lads who said Kilkenny no longer have the depth in quality but I wouldn't fancy meeting them in the back door route. slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 12/06/2017 12:49:52 1998425 Link
Replying To sam1996: "yes he gave them 2 penalties....does this mean he was fair overall no? a blind man would have given them penalties and he could have given at least two more. Every time Kilkenny got a sniff of goal they were man handled. It was more like rugby that wexford backs were playing. Should have been dealt with by the ref with early cards. Towards the end KK forward was 100% fouled and his hurl fell and he handpassed it off and a free out was given. This is from a neutral point of view. Ref was terrible" Would you stop, every time Colin Fennelly got the ball he put the head down and barged forward, what do referees expect the defenders to do? Get out of the way for him? Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1911 - 12/06/2017 13:07:13 1998441 Link
Replying To perfect10: "i think once aylward was booked he was going to get hauled off. the big difference ballydalane i felt was whereas in the past kilkenny would have had a player who would walk onto any team in the country on the line,that is no longer the case. i thought the referee was fair to both sides.i did not see too many home town decisions and i think i am fair on that front." Yea r that's a good point about the booking. It was a stupid foul and card to pick up cos he had pretty much won every other ball that came in. It's will take him awhile to get back to full tilt after by injury. Just before Walsh was taken off he drove a really bad wide. Hogan and Fennelly berated him for not letting it in. Maybe that was Kilkenny's tactic judging by the amount of ball sent into Fennelly over the course of the game and that annoyed Cody. Walter Walsh and Hogan were doing nothing for Kilkenny. Agreed about Bolger he hardly touched the ball. The main thing though is how good Wexford were. Team's will follow the Kilkenny approach of letting it in fast to a big full forward so Wexford need to sort that out. That aside they are in rude health heading into a Leinster final. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 12/06/2017 13:18:54 1998448 Link
Why was Padraig Walsh not playing at fullback after playing there the whole league??? keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 12/06/2017 14:07:45 1998467 Link
Replying To Bon: "Would you stop, every time Colin Fennelly got the ball he put the head down and barged forward, what do referees expect the defenders to do? Get out of the way for him?" You seem to expect Colin Fennelly to stay still and not move forward. He's within his rights to move his legs forward! Penalties result when a powerful, pacy man moves forward and backs have to grapple with him to stop scoring. Look at where his jersey ended up when he got the first penalty. The damage to the defence is done when primary possession is won by the forward. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 12/06/2017 14:24:41 1998486 Link