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Only one person called the game primitive.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 24/05/2017 15:23:04    1990291

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Regarding the thumbs up and thumbs down issue.. Many don't bother with it, including myself, but having read posts here for 3 years it's a fairly accurate gauge of feeling about a post.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 24/05/2017 15:24:28    1990292

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When you mentioned 'primitive' - the like count is 2 v 3 (40 v 60%). You also made a point about the young lad being pestered hence we cannot know which point is being liked and disliked here. Either way, there has been 5,881 views - only 2 people 'liked' that comment. Plenty of other people have clearly stated that they don't like AFL. That is fine. There are sports that I don't like either. I am yet to see anybody else calling another sport 'primitive' on here. Only one person used that phrase. That was you. That phrase is ignorant.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 24/05/2017 15:29:33    1990293

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Replying To Laois76:  "What's your reply to my statement that outstanding athletes don't improve the the skills of a game one iota? No reply to that, a pertinent point on Aussie Rules. Because low body fat, bench pressing 150Kg, sleeveless shirts, running sub 50sec 400m won't improve or add to a skill set. Yes you'll be a fine athlete. But i can see them at the National Championships in Santry. I'll state again gaelic football is a more sophisticated game, in my opinion.

You never answered that question Bennybunny as it's much easier to attack a poster when you have 2 or 3 siding with you than actually analyse what that person is saying and counter their arguments in a civil way.

After all most of what is posted on message boards is opinion. No need to launch into slurs etc.

Hope your having a nice day in Cork."
I was using the term 'Athlete' as synonym of sportsperson or competitor. Once again, you have proved my point. You do not read what people write or you do not understand. An athlete is not a person that simply competes in track and field events in Santry. Athletes play AFL and athletes play gaelic games. Here is a common definition for you below (taken from dictionary.com)


a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game requiring physical skill.

My statement was the AFL players are fine athletes.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 24/05/2017 15:36:04    1990296

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i don't understand why some people here are so dead against these young lads wanting to give it a shot!! Kennelly no matter what you say is giving these lads a LIFE EXPERIENCE. if they don't like it they come home. simple. I went out to new Zealand years ago and spent a good length over there but i wanted to come home. But it was a fantastic experience and one i'll never forget. Its not Tomas or anyone else's decision to make. Some of these lads could go over and win an AFL trophy and cherish it just as much as an all ireland. Perhaps some of them same lads could only ever dream of winning an all ireland anyway.....But one thing that will definitely happen is that they'll broaden their horizons, get to know a new culture, challenge themselves and get paid. Does anyone begrudge Shane Long, Mick Galwey, Gavin Duffy, Tommy Bowe, Sweetnam, Niall Quinn etc etc. Not at all. its a bigger world that the parish and they only get one life. If they want to do it good luck to them.

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 24/05/2017 15:52:17    1990303

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Replying To Laois76:  "Regarding the thumbs up and thumbs down issue.. Many don't bother with it, including myself, but having read posts here for 3 years it's a fairly accurate gauge of feeling about a post."
It absolutely is not an accurate gauge

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 24/05/2017 16:04:08    1990308

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Replying To bennybunny:  "When you mentioned 'primitive' - the like count is 2 v 3 (40 v 60%). You also made a point about the young lad being pestered hence we cannot know which point is being liked and disliked here. Either way, there has been 5,881 views - only 2 people 'liked' that comment. Plenty of other people have clearly stated that they don't like AFL. That is fine. There are sports that I don't like either. I am yet to see anybody else calling another sport 'primitive' on here. Only one person used that phrase. That was you. That phrase is ignorant."
Semantics Bennybunny!! If people were as upset by you with 'primitive' they wouldn't like the post.

And where's the 2 v 3?? Have you been monitoring the post on an hourly basis. It's currently 6 to 5 in favour.

Regardless of your definition of athlete Aussie Rules is less skilfull than gaelic football in my opinion. I've stated time and again the only kick in the game is a punt. Players run in straight lines a lot and lack the evasive skills of gaelic. Kicking a round ball as in gaelic or soccer allows for an infinite way of kicking the ball and using far more subtle skills.

I have expressed my opinion and can you not leave it at that or explain the skills you find in Aussie Rules that make it a great game?

No you run off for your dictionary to define athlete.

Have you some connection with Aussie Rules that you find criticism of it hard to stomach? Do you love watching the game..watch many games? I'm trying to understand where you're coming from.

I never particularly liked the game. Now the high fielding can be spectacular and is a great skill. Possibly, actually no definitely, i have a bit of a problem with the 'macho' culture. When the Compromise Rules was being played i always found the dangerous high tackles etc cheap shots as those Australian players knew they had it physically over the irish. Bravery to me was Peter Canavan standing up to Jason Akermanis even though he was twice his strength.

So to conclude (for once and for all!) i have a problem with seeing our brightest stars move to that code. Also people are comparing Ciaran Kilkenny to David Clifford. No disrespect to any genuine Dublin fans Kilkenny is and always was a suberp player. But look at Clifford, there's genius at work there that's plain to see. That goal in the minor all-ireland versus Galway with left and right solos beating players for fun from under the stand. That was special, really special. I can only think of a few players who could do that. Matt Connor, Gooch, Maurice Fitz, Canavan, Dermo Connolly did similar for Vincents in a club game.

Who would like to see genius like that lost to our game?? I don't care what county the player is from.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 24/05/2017 16:17:29    1990314

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I agree, there is a problem with the amount of young players lost by the gaa. But most players are lost because they leave their home area, concentrate on studies, a job, a family etc. Committing to a past time that has a crazy "movable feast" of a playing calendar where you can commit to nothing outside of that hobby is causing the biggest player drain.

We also lose a few to Aussie rules and soccer but only a tiny fraction of the above. The Aussie rules lads generally come back bar a handful of exceptions.

Fix the playing calendar, then lads can organise the rest of their lives and commit!

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1835 - 24/05/2017 16:28:34    1990324

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Replying To Breffni39:  "It absolutely is not an accurate gauge"
Absolutely agree

You have weirdos on here down thumbing comments just because of the poster making them, rather than the content of the post.

I don't like the new feature

It has only added a great deal more pettiness to HS

That's just my opinion

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 24/05/2017 16:44:03    1990335

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Replying To Mayonman:  "I agree, there is a problem with the amount of young players lost by the gaa. But most players are lost because they leave their home area, concentrate on studies, a job, a family etc. Committing to a past time that has a crazy "movable feast" of a playing calendar where you can commit to nothing outside of that hobby is causing the biggest player drain.

We also lose a few to Aussie rules and soccer but only a tiny fraction of the above. The Aussie rules lads generally come back bar a handful of exceptions.

Fix the playing calendar, then lads can organise the rest of their lives and commit!"
Well said.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 24/05/2017 16:47:07    1990336

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Replying To Mayonman:  "I agree, there is a problem with the amount of young players lost by the gaa. But most players are lost because they leave their home area, concentrate on studies, a job, a family etc. Committing to a past time that has a crazy "movable feast" of a playing calendar where you can commit to nothing outside of that hobby is causing the biggest player drain.

We also lose a few to Aussie rules and soccer but only a tiny fraction of the above. The Aussie rules lads generally come back bar a handful of exceptions.

Fix the playing calendar, then lads can organise the rest of their lives and commit!"
excellent post, couldn't agree more!!!!

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 24/05/2017 16:52:20    1990338

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Replying To Laois76:  "Semantics Bennybunny!! If people were as upset by you with 'primitive' they wouldn't like the post.

And where's the 2 v 3?? Have you been monitoring the post on an hourly basis. It's currently 6 to 5 in favour.

Regardless of your definition of athlete Aussie Rules is less skilfull than gaelic football in my opinion. I've stated time and again the only kick in the game is a punt. Players run in straight lines a lot and lack the evasive skills of gaelic. Kicking a round ball as in gaelic or soccer allows for an infinite way of kicking the ball and using far more subtle skills.

I have expressed my opinion and can you not leave it at that or explain the skills you find in Aussie Rules that make it a great game?

No you run off for your dictionary to define athlete.

Have you some connection with Aussie Rules that you find criticism of it hard to stomach? Do you love watching the game..watch many games? I'm trying to understand where you're coming from.

I never particularly liked the game. Now the high fielding can be spectacular and is a great skill. Possibly, actually no definitely, i have a bit of a problem with the 'macho' culture. When the Compromise Rules was being played i always found the dangerous high tackles etc cheap shots as those Australian players knew they had it physically over the irish. Bravery to me was Peter Canavan standing up to Jason Akermanis even though he was twice his strength.

So to conclude (for once and for all!) i have a problem with seeing our brightest stars move to that code. Also people are comparing Ciaran Kilkenny to David Clifford. No disrespect to any genuine Dublin fans Kilkenny is and always was a suberp player. But look at Clifford, there's genius at work there that's plain to see. That goal in the minor all-ireland versus Galway with left and right solos beating players for fun from under the stand. That was special, really special. I can only think of a few players who could do that. Matt Connor, Gooch, Maurice Fitz, Canavan, Dermo Connolly did similar for Vincents in a club game.

Who would like to see genius like that lost to our game?? I don't care what county the player is from."
Not semantics. More like an accurate, clear definition to facilitate you to keep up!!

Not upset at all by it. It is just ignorant. Not upsetting in the slightest.

No connection with AFL but I do think it is a fabulous game. In my opinion it takes the skills that we marvel at in Gaelic football (high fielding and accurate kick passing) and enhances them (in my opinion-to emphasise).

I agree that the compromise rules used to be extremely thuggish and the AFL players were largely responsible (or it appeared that way to me).

I would rather if the likes of Setanta O Hailpin and Ciaran Sheehan stayed in Cork to play with us. I would also rather if Tomas O'Leary, Darren Sweetnam, David Meyler, Simon Zebo, John Egan had continued to play gaelic games. They were all outstanding young players that represented Cork at some level. None of this is to say that I, or anybody, has the right to curtail anybody's opportunities. There is no poaching or stealing of players. People make choices whether they want to go or not.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 24/05/2017 16:55:15    1990340

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Replying To theweanling:  "excellent post, couldn't agree more!!!!"
Good point and one made many times already

There's so many other thing's going on that justifies worry

AFL looking a very small amount of players is not one of them.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 24/05/2017 16:56:36    1990341

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Not semantics. More like an accurate, clear definition to facilitate you to keep up!!

Not upset at all by it. It is just ignorant. Not upsetting in the slightest.

No connection with AFL but I do think it is a fabulous game. In my opinion it takes the skills that we marvel at in Gaelic football (high fielding and accurate kick passing) and enhances them (in my opinion-to emphasise).

I agree that the compromise rules used to be extremely thuggish and the AFL players were largely responsible (or it appeared that way to me).

I would rather if the likes of Setanta O Hailpin and Ciaran Sheehan stayed in Cork to play with us. I would also rather if Tomas O'Leary, Darren Sweetnam, David Meyler, Simon Zebo, John Egan had continued to play gaelic games. They were all outstanding young players that represented Cork at some level. None of this is to say that I, or anybody, has the right to curtail anybody's opportunities. There is no poaching or stealing of players. People make choices whether they want to go or not."
Brian O'Driscoll would have made a nice additional to the 00's Dubs team....

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 24/05/2017 17:34:30    1990359

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Not semantics. More like an accurate, clear definition to facilitate you to keep up!!

Not upset at all by it. It is just ignorant. Not upsetting in the slightest.

No connection with AFL but I do think it is a fabulous game. In my opinion it takes the skills that we marvel at in Gaelic football (high fielding and accurate kick passing) and enhances them (in my opinion-to emphasise).

I agree that the compromise rules used to be extremely thuggish and the AFL players were largely responsible (or it appeared that way to me).

I would rather if the likes of Setanta O Hailpin and Ciaran Sheehan stayed in Cork to play with us. I would also rather if Tomas O'Leary, Darren Sweetnam, David Meyler, Simon Zebo, John Egan had continued to play gaelic games. They were all outstanding young players that represented Cork at some level. None of this is to say that I, or anybody, has the right to curtail anybody's opportunities. There is no poaching or stealing of players. People make choices whether they want to go or not."
Again you can't argue a point without calling someone ignorant.

Your arrogance and self importance knows no bounds!!

At least in this post you gave a few reasons why you like Aussie Rules. I suppose for that you must be commended. But your overall behaviour is that of a small minded individual who resorts to insult when challenged. I think a nerve has been hit somewhere along the line.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 24/05/2017 18:17:03    1990378

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Not semantics. More like an accurate, clear definition to facilitate you to keep up!!

Not upset at all by it. It is just ignorant. Not upsetting in the slightest.

No connection with AFL but I do think it is a fabulous game. In my opinion it takes the skills that we marvel at in Gaelic football (high fielding and accurate kick passing) and enhances them (in my opinion-to emphasise).

I agree that the compromise rules used to be extremely thuggish and the AFL players were largely responsible (or it appeared that way to me).

I would rather if the likes of Setanta O Hailpin and Ciaran Sheehan stayed in Cork to play with us. I would also rather if Tomas O'Leary, Darren Sweetnam, David Meyler, Simon Zebo, John Egan had continued to play gaelic games. They were all outstanding young players that represented Cork at some level. None of this is to say that I, or anybody, has the right to curtail anybody's opportunities. There is no poaching or stealing of players. People make choices whether they want to go or not."
You can't compare Sweetnam, Zebo, O'Leary, Roy Keane etc. They played all codes up along and made a choice. They weren't swooped on when they were after being developed to the finished article.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 24/05/2017 18:20:26    1990380

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Absolutely agree

You have weirdos on here down thumbing comments just because of the poster making them, rather than the content of the post.

I don't like the new feature

It has only added a great deal more pettiness to HS

That's just my opinion"
Yes posters giving thumbs down to a poster rather than a post.. I wonder how such a scenario would arise? Were you ever at the receiving end of such juvenile behaviour Jimbo?

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 24/05/2017 18:30:19    1990384

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Replying To Breffni39:  "It absolutely is not an accurate gauge"
How do you know for definite Breffni?

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 24/05/2017 18:31:45    1990385

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Absolutely agree

You have weirdos on here down thumbing comments just because of the poster making them, rather than the content of the post.

I don't like the new feature

It has only added a great deal more pettiness to HS

That's just my opinion"
Ah yes the weirdos are all those using the thumbs up and thumbs down feature. Where the really genuine posters have posted at least 10,000 times.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 24/05/2017 18:33:10    1990387

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Replying To Laois76:  "Ah yes the weirdos are all those using the thumbs up and thumbs down feature. Where the really genuine posters have posted at least 10,000 times."
Why are you taking my comment out of context?

Quite an ignorant thing to do.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 24/05/2017 19:10:16    1990397

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