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Replying To KYTotalFootball:  "Tadhg is nothing but an oil salesman and doesn't give a damn about any of the Irish lads he poaches

what if the player comes back from Australia in 2/3 years time and is crippled having made relatively small money.

People comparing lads choosing Soccer or Rugby are totally missing the point as those sports would have developed those players at a young age as well as the GAA and aren't just stealing them at no cost when they have developed fully"
Very well said.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 23/05/2017 22:40:29    1990043

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Replying To Laois76:  "I called a professional post primitive. Shock, horror!! Is that not allowed?!

The bankers that ruined the country were professional too. But we best not say anything bad about them. After all they're 'professionals'.

You really love the word don't you. In your own words 'professional' so what?

I stand by my opinion, that 'amateur' game of hurling at the weekend was a far better spectacle than aussie rules.

I don't begrudge any young lad but as DamotheDub pointed out some of us have a different opinion of that sport and find playing for our counties a better goal.

'Bleed gaa bla bla.'? I'm very well versed on many other sports that i admire."
First of all bringing bankers into the topic? Not even sure should I reply to someone who doesn't use any logic when debating. A primitive sport as you call it doesn't thrive if it is just that. I'm not a fan of Aussie Rules as a spectacle by the way but that isn't what is being debated here. You keep banging on about what you always wanted to do, all you cared about was your county bla bla bla. Who cares?

Try and at least make some logical points. You are just making generalisations not based on any facts, especially from your previous post when you were talking about education. Have a look at the players who left and whether or not they have degrees behind them? Then come back to me and talk about that point. You are a die hard gael, well done. But come back to me when you have been offered a chance to travel to Oz, everything paid for, to train in a fully professional environment with the possibility of making a decent living and being set up for life in a great place. Unless you have been already you are just talking nonsense.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 23/05/2017 22:44:10    1990046

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Describing it as primitive was daft

End of .

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 23/05/2017 22:46:04    1990047

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "First of all bringing bankers into the topic? Not even sure should I reply to someone who doesn't use any logic when debating. A primitive sport as you call it doesn't thrive if it is just that. I'm not a fan of Aussie Rules as a spectacle by the way but that isn't what is being debated here. You keep banging on about what you always wanted to do, all you cared about was your county bla bla bla. Who cares?

Try and at least make some logical points. You are just making generalisations not based on any facts, especially from your previous post when you were talking about education. Have a look at the players who left and whether or not they have degrees behind them? Then come back to me and talk about that point. You are a die hard gael, well done. But come back to me when you have been offered a chance to travel to Oz, everything paid for, to train in a fully professional environment with the possibility of making a decent living and being set up for life in a great place. Unless you have been already you are just talking nonsense."
What he said.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 23/05/2017 22:48:44    1990048

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "First of all bringing bankers into the topic? Not even sure should I reply to someone who doesn't use any logic when debating. A primitive sport as you call it doesn't thrive if it is just that. I'm not a fan of Aussie Rules as a spectacle by the way but that isn't what is being debated here. You keep banging on about what you always wanted to do, all you cared about was your county bla bla bla. Who cares?

Try and at least make some logical points. You are just making generalisations not based on any facts, especially from your previous post when you were talking about education. Have a look at the players who left and whether or not they have degrees behind them? Then come back to me and talk about that point. You are a die hard gael, well done. But come back to me when you have been offered a chance to travel to Oz, everything paid for, to train in a fully professional environment with the possibility of making a decent living and being set up for life in a great place. Unless you have been already you are just talking nonsense."
You were banging on about professional like it gives God given powers. I had to take out the word professional and show you it doesn't equate to excellence.

I gave plenty of valid reasons reasons why i felt aussie rules was an inferior game.

I spoke about the pride many feel in their county by referencing myself. You replied that you were training a senior team!? I don't care, nor anybody else whether you train, Senior, Juinor B or pick up up the wibbily wobbily wrapers off the pitch!!

I know 2 young fellas who wouldn't travel to Oz as they felt the same way as me about it. One a forward with Laois now. So YES chaps do decline the flights, lifestyle and your beloved 'professional' setup. Hard evidence. Put it in your pipe and smoke it!

Somebody here referred to career opportunities in Oz.My point is hard work here in conjunction with inter county sport can lead you to any career.

Quit your nonsense about logical arguments, you've been given plenty. Also you come across as a little dim when you can't understand the analogy of professionals in other fields being anything but. Ok we'll use a sporting one for you. Lee Chin described ice hokey players drinking the days before a game. Unprofessional behaviour in a professional sport.

And as for your dyed in the wool gaa comments.. i don't want to say this but feel i have to point it out to you, i attend soccer and rugby games and i'm involved in athletics and horse racing.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 23/05/2017 23:04:37    1990052

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Describing it as primitive was daft

End of ."
'End of'. You decide when the debate is over?! That's not helping you explain you're point of view.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 24/05/2017 09:01:00    1990101

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Replying To Laois76:  "You were banging on about professional like it gives God given powers. I had to take out the word professional and show you it doesn't equate to excellence.

I gave plenty of valid reasons reasons why i felt aussie rules was an inferior game.

I spoke about the pride many feel in their county by referencing myself. You replied that you were training a senior team!? I don't care, nor anybody else whether you train, Senior, Juinor B or pick up up the wibbily wobbily wrapers off the pitch!!

I know 2 young fellas who wouldn't travel to Oz as they felt the same way as me about it. One a forward with Laois now. So YES chaps do decline the flights, lifestyle and your beloved 'professional' setup. Hard evidence. Put it in your pipe and smoke it!

Somebody here referred to career opportunities in Oz.My point is hard work here in conjunction with inter county sport can lead you to any career.

Quit your nonsense about logical arguments, you've been given plenty. Also you come across as a little dim when you can't understand the analogy of professionals in other fields being anything but. Ok we'll use a sporting one for you. Lee Chin described ice hokey players drinking the days before a game. Unprofessional behaviour in a professional sport.

And as for your dyed in the wool gaa comments.. i don't want to say this but feel i have to point it out to you, i attend soccer and rugby games and i'm involved in athletics and horse racing."
Jesus I have already said I don't lkke Aussie Rules as a game, you must have missed that, but again that has nothing to do with the main points of debate here. I only brought up my involvement in GAA as you were banging on about your history in GAA. No point arguing with you to be honest, you are making stupid points about bankers, nonsensical. Same for your points made on education earlier, go do some research on the players who left and stayed, or even the ones who came back, they are all well educated lads who can still come back and thrive here, you seem to be missing that point. Keep bluffing away about staying here and working hard, you seem to forget that the lads who go and don't make it can come back and do the very same thing. I find this whole thing bizaare to be honest.

And again you are missing my whole point about the sport being professional. Lee Chin said some Ice Hockey players drink in the build up to a game? Who cares? Such a ridiculous thing to bring up. Irish players can go and earn decent money and have no bills to pay along with that. I meant professional as in getting paid to play sport, not how those players act daily outside of training and games. We are not here to debate what pro sports are the best behaved.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 24/05/2017 09:16:31    1990106

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Replying To Laois76:  "You were banging on about professional like it gives God given powers. I had to take out the word professional and show you it doesn't equate to excellence.

I gave plenty of valid reasons reasons why i felt aussie rules was an inferior game.

I spoke about the pride many feel in their county by referencing myself. You replied that you were training a senior team!? I don't care, nor anybody else whether you train, Senior, Juinor B or pick up up the wibbily wobbily wrapers off the pitch!!

I know 2 young fellas who wouldn't travel to Oz as they felt the same way as me about it. One a forward with Laois now. So YES chaps do decline the flights, lifestyle and your beloved 'professional' setup. Hard evidence. Put it in your pipe and smoke it!

Somebody here referred to career opportunities in Oz.My point is hard work here in conjunction with inter county sport can lead you to any career.

Quit your nonsense about logical arguments, you've been given plenty. Also you come across as a little dim when you can't understand the analogy of professionals in other fields being anything but. Ok we'll use a sporting one for you. Lee Chin described ice hokey players drinking the days before a game. Unprofessional behaviour in a professional sport.

And as for your dyed in the wool gaa comments.. i don't want to say this but feel i have to point it out to you, i attend soccer and rugby games and i'm involved in athletics and horse racing."
And as for the 2 young lads who declined the offer? Fair play to them. You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder. Put that in your pipe and smoke it? Grow up good man. Where am I saying that all lads should go? I couldn't give a toss if they do or not. I am merely pointing out that there is nothing wrong with lads going and giving it a shot. They can still come back and be successful.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 24/05/2017 09:25:13    1990113

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "And as for the 2 young lads who declined the offer? Fair play to them. You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder. Put that in your pipe and smoke it? Grow up good man. Where am I saying that all lads should go? I couldn't give a toss if they do or not. I am merely pointing out that there is nothing wrong with lads going and giving it a shot. They can still come back and be successful."
Listen. Your the one with the chip on your shoulder. I mentioned once about the pride i felt in my native county and it represented the views of others to this day. You mentioned constantly i was banging on about it. I think you are definitely the one with the chip on your shoulder. You are out debated and have nothing more to offer. Accept other points of view and try and learn a little. Very petty behaviour.

Just gave a glance at my opening post and other posts. Generally 6 to 4 in favour. A silent majority agree. Don't find it daft as Jimbo says either.

I'm not wasting my time arguing with you anymore.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 24/05/2017 09:49:25    1990122

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It's gas how this non-issue keeps going.

It affects a minuscule amount of players that the majority of whom will come back and be main players again in anyways. A few will be lost yeah but very very few at that.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 24/05/2017 10:15:07    1990132

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Replying To Laois76:  "'End of'. You decide when the debate is over?! That's not helping you explain you're point of view."
There is no debate going on here. You simply are not reading the comments that others are posting up (or are not understanding the points that they are making) and just replying with your own prejudices and silly analogies (bankers???). To call Aussie Rules a primitive game is staggeringly ignorant. You might not like but comments like that just reflect badly on you. The fact is that they are outstanding athletes and deserve credit whether you like the game or not.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 24/05/2017 10:15:26    1990133

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Irish Rookies are offered:

1. $80,000
2. Free rent and free car for first 2 years.
3. 3 return flights home per year for each recruit and their parents.

So let's say a smart 18 year old who has finished his leaving cert takes that, heads over for 2 years and it doesn't work out. He still comes back at 20 with his life ahead of him. I really can't get over all the outrage.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 24/05/2017 10:42:46    1990146

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Irish Rookies are offered:

1. $80,000
2. Free rent and free car for first 2 years.
3. 3 return flights home per year for each recruit and their parents.

So let's say a smart 18 year old who has finished his leaving cert takes that, heads over for 2 years and it doesn't work out. He still comes back at 20 with his life ahead of him. I really can't get over all the outrage.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts:5030 - 24/05/2017

Yeah but he could get a scholarship here, a coaching gig from his county board and train all year round for a couple of matches in the summer...

Personally I think a young lad would be mad not to give serious thought to any opportunity to work and live abroad, let alone to do it as a professional sports star.

Worst case scenario he doesn't make it as a pro once his rookie contract expires and he comes home with a few quid in his pocket and some incredible life experience behind him.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 24/05/2017 11:14:54    1990166

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Replying To bennybunny:  "There is no debate going on here. You simply are not reading the comments that others are posting up (or are not understanding the points that they are making) and just replying with your own prejudices and silly analogies (bankers???). To call Aussie Rules a primitive game is staggeringly ignorant. You might not like but comments like that just reflect badly on you. The fact is that they are outstanding athletes and deserve credit whether you like the game or not."
What he said

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jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 24/05/2017 11:41:54    1990181

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Replying To bennybunny:  "There is no debate going on here. You simply are not reading the comments that others are posting up (or are not understanding the points that they are making) and just replying with your own prejudices and silly analogies (bankers???). To call Aussie Rules a primitive game is staggeringly ignorant. You might not like but comments like that just reflect badly on you. The fact is that they are outstanding athletes and deserve credit whether you like the game or not."
Outstanding athletes. When did that ever improve the skills of a team sport?

Again the professional baker analogy debunks the word 'professional' to show it doesn't equate to excellence. I was criticised for condemning a 'professional' sport.

I gave an alternative opinion in Aussie Rules recruitment and that game but because you don't agree youlabel me as staggeringly ignorant. By flicking through posts you'll see my opinion is supported by at least 50% of posters. Are they all equally ignorant?

A few bully boys on here.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 24/05/2017 12:57:26    1990225

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Replying To Laois76:  "Outstanding athletes. When did that ever improve the skills of a team sport?

Again the professional baker analogy debunks the word 'professional' to show it doesn't equate to excellence. I was criticised for condemning a 'professional' sport.

I gave an alternative opinion in Aussie Rules recruitment and that game but because you don't agree youlabel me as staggeringly ignorant. By flicking through posts you'll see my opinion is supported by at least 50% of posters. Are they all equally ignorant?

A few bully boys on here."
* banker not baker :-)

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 24/05/2017 13:43:41    1990249

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Replying To Laois76:  "* banker not baker :-)"
Only one person called the game primitive -not 50%. Read what I said! Then again, you don't do that do you? Pretty much proves my point.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 24/05/2017 14:36:08    1990271

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Only one person called the game primitive -not 50%. Read what I said! Then again, you don't do that do you? Pretty much proves my point."
It was approved by 6 and disapproved by 5. That means BennyBunny 6 agreed with the post and 5 didn't.

That's quite clear. I hope you understand that point.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 24/05/2017 15:05:18    1990282

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6 thumbs up and 5 thumbs down would be over 50% agreeing with me.

You have no point at all other than you don't agree with me. It's fine to disagree, but, you're labeling me and those who agreed with that and other points of mine ignorant.

The logical conclusion is that those who don't agree with you are ignorant. Who are you that your opinions count for so much?

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 24/05/2017 15:09:14    1990283

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Only one person called the game primitive -not 50%. Read what I said! Then again, you don't do that do you? Pretty much proves my point."
What's your reply to my statement that outstanding athletes don't improve the the skills of a game one iota? No reply to that, a pertinent point on Aussie Rules. Because low body fat, bench pressing 150Kg, sleeveless shirts, running sub 50sec 400m won't improve or add to a skill set. Yes you'll be a fine athlete. But i can see them at the National Championships in Santry. I'll state again gaelic football is a more sophisticated game, in my opinion.

You never answered that question Bennybunny as it's much easier to attack a poster when you have 2 or 3 siding with you than actually analyse what that person is saying and counter their arguments in a civil way.

After all most of what is posted on message boards is opinion. No need to launch into slurs etc.

Hope your having a nice day in Cork.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 24/05/2017 15:21:37    1990289

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