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You are 100% right about soccer and rugby. I think there is a deeper thing between O'Se and and Kennelly. To me there is undertones of: 'You are a Kerry man trying to take our young fellas! What would your father say?' In other words to O'Se's mind this is sacrilegious. To him Kennelly is not thinking of the betterment Kerry football, the Princes of the Pigskin. I think O'Se wouldn't be so bothered if Kennelly was going after every other county except Kerry! gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 23/05/2017 10:51:44 1989718 Link 3 |
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Not trying to brow beat anyone. You called a professional sport primitive. And talented Irish players can get the chance of a lifetime over there to get paid to play the sport. As for your response? We get it, you bleed GAA bla bla bla. So what? Involved in the GAA all my life, coaching a senior team now. What has that got to do with this topic? Just nonsense to try and equate that work representing a professional sports team in another country. Totally different circumstances. And you bring up education and opportunities here? Again so what? Nothing to do with the topic. How many of the lads that went and came back don't have degrees? How many that went and stayed don't have back up qualifications?
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 23/05/2017 11:03:44 1989721 Link 1 |
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Ah schtop lad, this is a Gaelic forum and we're talking about Gaelic players being poached to go play in Australia. Leave the plumbers to the plumbing forum. But to answer your question in context, at least a plumber can get a plumbing job back at home, a Gaelic player who gave up on school to try his hand at Aussie Rules is going to come home to work at what exactly?? if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 23/05/2017 11:17:04 1989725 Link 1 |
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To him Kennelly is not thinking of the betterment Kerry football, the Princes of the Pigskin. if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 23/05/2017 11:22:35 1989731 Link 3 |
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Nah Calling a professional sport like AFL primitive is 100% ignorant IMO It's far from that. It sort of portrays a dislike for the sport just because a few GAA players want to give it a go.. Slagging off the sport as an out and out GAA man, with an obvious dislike for players wanting to leave, not sure that he could prove that GAA is more skilful tbh It was a poor description of a sport with plenty of skill involved, many of the same skills found in football!! It made zero sense to call it primitive as it portrays our own game in a poor light. Good on any young man wanting more for himself and giving another option a go.. not everyone shares the same nationalistic pride and there's a whole big world out there with many opportunities. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 23/05/2017 11:47:53 1989747 Link 1 |
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"Strange how we never heard this much objection when lads from Kildare, Laois, Cork etc were heading over" Exactly. Many Kerry fella's have a strong position in the media, all of a sudden Kerry losing one promising player to date has become a "national" issue all of a sudden! As I said.. some can look beyond their own nose down there and you wouldn't hear a peep out of em if Dublin, Mayo, Kildare players were heading off Self serving agenda and using the national media to achieve it. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 23/05/2017 11:52:18 1989748 Link 2 |
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I don't be grudge the players, I suppose I would be happy enough if they sought out the opportunity for themselves. I suppose similar to Tomas O'Sé, I just don't like the AFL recruiters using the GAA as an academy. Thousands of GAA followers follow their teams in the hope of that magic day when you win a provincial or all Ireland title. I bring my young fella now, as a GAA person I want to be able to show him these amazing men like JBM and Larry Tompkins that I witnessed when I was a kid. I have to admit that I don't want these converts to succeed in the AFL if there are 5 of our most talented young players recruited this year and 3 or 4 make it that number will grow for the next year. I'd love Mark O'Connor to get a bout of home sickness, return, line out for Kerry, get a sponsored car, a scholarship, maybe a coaching role and plenty of endorsements so that he would have a very profitable and successful career as a GAA player. That should be possible. dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 338 - 23/05/2017 12:07:00 1989760 Link 3 |
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A few thoughts... Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 23/05/2017 12:23:44 1989768 Link 2 |
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Ah Jimbo, after a few weeks staying quiet and licking the wounds after the League final I see you're on the war path again against the mighty Kingdom. I'm sure you and other Dubs on here, the Evening Hearld and yer own sizeable corp of ex-county press men wouldn't pass a comment if say the likes of Alan Brogan suddenly became an AFL recruiter and started snapping up some of yer brightest prospects from those minor and U-21 teams of yours. Of course you would keep a stiff upper lip, just like we don't hear anything out of ye in the media as regards other team's players or tactics or referee appointments coming up to big games or after them in the case of the League final!!!! I also see in an earlier post you claim Dublin have lost plenty of inter-county players to other sports, would you care to give us examples of players of the potential of O'Connor and Clifford that Dublin have lost in recent times?? If ye were losing players of the caliber that we have/potentially are going to lose you would be up in arms as well so give over. I would like the rest of you all to also bare in mind that we are not just talking about any ordinary inter-county players (if there is even such a thing). We are talking about two players, Mark O'Connor and David Clifford, that had/have the potential to be absolute superstars of Gaelic football. This is the equivalent of losing a Gooch to another game. When a sport starts losing its potential icons its dangerous times for us all. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 23/05/2017 12:32:06 1989775 Link 3 |
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Well said Thomas as regards the Kennelly thing, that is exactly what is upsetting us most down here about this whole thing.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 23/05/2017 12:55:24 1989783 Link 1 |
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To the Dublin posters, or anyone else in the know, can you confirm the number of Dublin players been invited & partaken in T Kennelly AFL trials in Ireland over the past 3/4 years. Has Con O Callaghan been approached. With Dublin's recent underage record, You would expect a fair bit of interest from the AFL recruiters. Scaramanga (Cork) - Posts: 14 - 23/05/2017 13:18:04 1989799 Link 1 |
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So true the Hermit. If it was Fenton and Con O'Callaghan being pursued the Dublin lads would be going ape. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 23/05/2017 13:19:02 1989800 Link 1 |
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I agree with all of what you said. I was gutted when I heard that Setanta left. I also felt that he would have done very well in Cork financially. He was doing well in fact. He was almost a cult hero down here (as you know) despite him playing only one year with our seniors! I thought when he came back to play the county final of 2004 v Cloyne (where 31,000 showed up - many just because he was playing), that he might stay. He might see how he was adored in Cork, realise he could do very well here ('almost' be a professional) and decide that ultimately he may prefer to be a superstar over here rather than a rookie in Oz (which is where he was at the time). In fact, I thought that would be the sensible decision. However, Setanta chose Oz. It took us a while to get over it but, I am sure, we all respect that decision. That is all that is at play here. I think it is unfair to say that Australia is poaching GAA players. Every GAA player has the right to say no. They have the right to tell Kennelly to get lost. Some probably do. However, we know that lots of players will want to travel too. Loads go to New York. Some spend decent amounts of time there. Jamie Clark for example. You'll remember John Fitzgibbon in the 1990s. There was a load of hurling left in him. He went when he was 27. Kevin Kennedy and John Madden left Tipp. The GAA can, and should try, their best to provide the best opportunities for young lads here (currently a lobsided season where they train excessively for few important games is a long, long way short of decent player welfare). The Aussies will do the same. Tadgh Kennelly will continue to do his job. All players will continue to excercise their right to do what is best for themselves. We should give over talk about poaching, stealing, robbing etc because that is simply not happening. Players are just excercising a choice. bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 23/05/2017 14:53:34 1989833 Link 0 |
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Hopefully the two lads (if they both go) have great careers for themselves in Australia or else pick up some knowledge and come back stronger. The second is the most likely scenario as we have seen with the majority of lads that have gone over and come back. Most come back and become main players for their counties again. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 23/05/2017 15:18:21 1989844 Link 0 |
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Ah Jimbo, after a few weeks staying quiet and licking the wounds after the League final I see you're on the war path again against the mighty Kingdom. I'm sure you and other Dubs on here, the Evening Hearld and yer own sizeable corp of ex-county press men wouldn't pass a comment if say the likes of Alan Brogan suddenly became an AFL recruiter and started snapping up some of yer brightest prospects from those minor and U-21 teams of yours. Of course you would keep a stiff upper lip, just like we don't hear anything out of ye in the media as regards other team's players or tactics or referee appointments coming up to big games or after them in the case of the League final!!!! I also see in an earlier post you claim Dublin have lost plenty of inter-county players to other sports, would you care to give us examples of players of the potential of O'Connor and Clifford that Dublin have lost in recent times?? If ye were losing players of the caliber that we have/potentially are going to lose you would be up in arms as well so give over. I would like the rest of you all to also bare in mind that we are not just talking about any ordinary inter-county players (if there is even such a thing). We are talking about two players, Mark O'Connor and David Clifford, that had/have the potential to be absolute superstars of Gaelic football. This is the equivalent of losing a Gooch to another game. When a sport starts losing its potential icons its dangerous times for us all."]utter bollocks Ciaran KK left us when he was on the cusp of greatness to go down under. No one bedgrudged him, no one gave out about him, no one complained. It was seen as a shame for us as a county but we didnt bitch and moan. He came back thanks be to God, but prior to his return when we all saw his future in Hawthorn, we all wished him well and there was no moaning about it. And lest we forget, the best GAA player to ever play down under to the detriment of his own counties fortunes, was Jim Stynes. Remember him? And again, no one gave out and moaned, When we were knocking on the door in the 90's with a MF of Enda Sheehy and Paul Bealin et al pre 95, there wasnt anyone crying about the fella who abandoned us to Australia. Hermit, your "facts" are about as reliable as a Sean Spicer press conference. AGAIN Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 23/05/2017 15:21:25 1989846 Link 1 |
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This is the equivalent of losing a Gooch to another game. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 23/05/2017 15:23:29 1989847 Link 2 |
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As I've already correctly pointed out jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 23/05/2017 16:51:07 1989885 Link 1 |
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Excellent post.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 23/05/2017 16:56:26 1989891 Link 1 |
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Ah Jimbo, after a few weeks staying quiet and licking the wounds after the League final I see you're on the war path again against the mighty Kingdom. I'm sure you and other Dubs on here, the Evening Hearld and yer own sizeable corp of ex-county press men wouldn't pass a comment if say the likes of Alan Brogan suddenly became an AFL recruiter and started snapping up some of yer brightest prospects from those minor and U-21 teams of yours. Of course you would keep a stiff upper lip, just like we don't hear anything out of ye in the media as regards other team's players or tactics or referee appointments coming up to big games or after them in the case of the League final!!!! I also see in an earlier post you claim Dublin have lost plenty of inter-county players to other sports, would you care to give us examples of players of the potential of O'Connor and Clifford that Dublin have lost in recent times?? If ye were losing players of the caliber that we have/potentially are going to lose you would be up in arms as well so give over. I would like the rest of you all to also bare in mind that we are not just talking about any ordinary inter-county players (if there is even such a thing). We are talking about two players, Mark O'Connor and David Clifford, that had/have the potential to be absolute superstars of Gaelic football. This is the equivalent of losing a Gooch to another game. When a sport starts losing its potential icons its dangerous times for us all."]utter bollocks Ciaran KK left us when he was on the cusp of greatness to go down under. No one bedgrudged him, no one gave out about him, no one complained. It was seen as a shame for us as a county but we didnt bitch and moan. He came back thanks be to God, but prior to his return when we all saw his future in Hawthorn, we all wished him well and there was no moaning about it. And lest we forget, the best GAA player to ever play down under to the detriment of his own counties fortunes, was Jim Stynes. Remember him? And again, no one gave out and moaned, When we were knocking on the door in the 90's with a MF of Enda Sheehy and Paul Bealin et al pre 95, there wasnt anyone crying about the fella who abandoned us to Australia. Hermit, your "facts" are about as reliable as a Sean Spicer press conference. AGAIN"]What facts did I present Liam, I'm only giving an opinion. An opinion I suspect would be very close to the truth mind Every one can see Clifford is something very special, we're people honestly talking about Kilkenny in the same light back when? You'd probay know so I'll leave you to answer that. But to retirate to say Dublin would not be peed if this was going on, by one of their former sons, is nonesense. Now that's a fact, not an opinion. Spicer out. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 23/05/2017 17:01:53 1989894 Link 2 |
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Paul Mannion as well
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 23/05/2017 17:06:25 1989898 Link 2 |