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Leagues over, now bring on the zzzzz........

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Replying To perfect10:  "agree."
i think ye are right - one format could be
top 4 in league go to quarter finals joined by provincial winners, if as is likely provincial winner finishes top 4 then it goes to next place team,

Pros - more even games, , great excitment last day of league , better structures season for clubs, i.e. dates be more structured
home and away games , less time between games

Cons- less games = less revenue as qualifiers be gone, would league style format attract same crowds as current championship
having 16 games per week (plus hurling) - will probably ensure weaker counties get zero coverage, risk of dead rubbers at end

One problem with current structure is that say in limerick we dont know when our next games after clare in munster will be - we have rough idea, so hard to plan club season, whereas we knew well in advance the league fixutres and can plan accordingly.

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 27/04/2017 09:36:42    1983068

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Replying To Pinkie:  "So the leagues are over, we have gone from 3 months of weekly action, with a week or two off here and there, all over the country, in the cold and rain, and by May it is all over.
Only to be replaced by a stop-start championship where familiarity breeds repetition breeds borefests, where teams who lose 2 games are done for the summer. So 5-8 matches in Feb-Apr in each code, and only 2 for a good few counties from May-Sept when the conditions are absolutely ideal for supporters and players alike?
You really couldn't make it up. What a farce."
Jeez a bit of positivity lad. what about club matches taking place in your county? are you part of a club? yes mismatches are going to happen but that's the same in every sport.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 27/04/2017 12:40:37    1983112

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Bank holiday clash with our old rivals up in Derry. What's not to like. Also looking forward to potential clash of Cavan & Monaghan and the meeting of Down & Armagh and that's just the first round in Ulster.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 27/04/2017 12:55:53    1983116

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Replying To KerryKillers:  "I would be bored if I knew my team were going to be nowhere come August. But the fact that there is a strong chance my team are going to be there make up for the shitty matches in between. Because once the QFs arrive, all thoughts of the league and it's much better format, go out the window."
Jaysus KerryKillers I must quit while i'm ahead. Louth have never reached the All Ireland quarter-finals. The closest they have come is in 2007 and 2010. You support your team through thick and thin. An Lu Abu!

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 27/04/2017 13:21:22    1983130

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If they rattled things off quicker a lot of the problems would be solved.


14 weeks May bank holiday to August bank holiday you could play a full season with league and championship played in parallel.

7 league games, 4 rounds of the Provincial series.

No qualifiers

Best placed team from the league not winning their Province plays the lowest ranked Provincial champion in a single quarterfinal to help elevate the league in status.

Proper Club County championships played in August/September and October

Club Provincial and All Ireland played Feb to April

Games games games!

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 27/04/2017 14:05:35    1983147

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Replying To OLLIE:  "Jaysus KerryKillers I must quit while i'm ahead. Louth have never reached the All Ireland quarter-finals. The closest they have come is in 2007 and 2010. You support your team through thick and thin. An Lu Abu!"
Indeed Ollie

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 27/04/2017 15:05:35    1983171

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Replying To jimbodub:  "It needs a massive overhaul

It should be a league format.

It starts in April

Teams of a similar standard playing multiple games against each other across the summer

It would guarantee competitiveness, and we have seen Eir broadcast multiple games now at the same time

So you could have all 4 Div on air at once across a number of platforms, more live games, better exposure for all counties

4 Divisions

Winner of each division moves into a knockout All Ireland Championship and is then promoted for into a higher division the following year

A draw is made for the Semi-Final

Then it's All Ireland Final time

I just pulled this out of me a*se in about 30 seconds... go easy on me"
It sounds like the way the national league was run until 1999 (??). 4 divisions of 8 teams. all play each other. 2 up and 2 down.

4 quarter finals - top 4 teams from Division 1. Top 2 from Division 2 and top 1 from Division 3 and 4. That was the way it was. It could be tweaked but it looks like a good solution.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 27/04/2017 15:16:43    1983176

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Jeez a bit of positivity lad. what about club matches taking place in your county? are you part of a club? yes mismatches are going to happen but that's the same in every sport."
I think you missed my point. I go to club matches all the time. I have been to club league (which dont have the county men) right up to county matches.
My point was, I think that the haphazard nature of the championship, where a team can have 2 games in about 5 weeks, and be done for the summer, is wrong for supporters, stretches the championship out into a long drawn out bore.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 27/04/2017 15:19:01    1983180

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Replying To yew_tree:  "It's boring until August bar a few battles here and there. I say get out and support your local club(s)"
agree with you.

Went to a few club championship games as neutral last week. Go to all my own club games. If Cork manage to beat Waterford and Tipp in the Munster football championship, then i will go to the Munster final as that will be the opening day of Pairc Ui Chaoimh. Otherwise I wouldn't bother going to any game until an All-Ireland final or semi (unlikely we'll be in it).

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 27/04/2017 15:20:01    1983181

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Oh boo hoo more whinging
If ye don't like it go watch other sports that run that way. People whinges when league was on that it means nothing, if there was an Olympic sport for whinging this country would be odds on for good."
It is rubbish. People need to whinge.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 27/04/2017 15:21:22    1983182

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Replying To OLLIE:  "Jaysus KerryKillers I must quit while i'm ahead. Louth have never reached the All Ireland quarter-finals. The closest they have come is in 2007 and 2010. You support your team through thick and thin. An Lu Abu!"
Excellent post, well said Ollie.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/04/2017 21:52:40    1983238

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Excellent post, well said Ollie."
Cheers Royaldunne. Anyone can support a winning team. Not long to go for the Championship for the Wee County.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 28/04/2017 10:21:09    1983301

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Replying To OLLIE:  "Cheers Royaldunne. Anyone can support a winning team. Not long to go for the Championship for the Wee County."
Yep its very man u of old attitude. Now dont get me wrong, during the 70s when all my brothers supported Liverpool I had to be the different one and went for Chelsea, long before any Russian billionaire came along, the days of David speedy and Kerry Dixon I remember fondly, even more recently with Dennis wise etc. And yes I was happy when jose won the first two titles, this year I'm like yeah big deal Chelsea win prem again. Now while soccer could never and will never come near football, its all too easy to support a winning team, give me the rollercoaster of unpredictability anytime. Roll on the Leinster championship

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/04/2017 10:36:27    1983306

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Yep its very man u of old attitude. Now dont get me wrong, during the 70s when all my brothers supported Liverpool I had to be the different one and went for Chelsea, long before any Russian billionaire came along, the days of David speedy and Kerry Dixon I remember fondly, even more recently with Dennis wise etc. And yes I was happy when jose won the first two titles, this year I'm like yeah big deal Chelsea win prem again. Now while soccer could never and will never come near football, its all too easy to support a winning team, give me the rollercoaster of unpredictability anytime. Roll on the Leinster championship"
Royaldunne ill give you an example in GAA. As wee know Drogheda is on the Louth/Meath border. Most of the town is in Louth. A small part is in Meath. The biggest housing estate in Drogheda which was build during the boom is in Co. Meath. The Boyne River divides the town into the diocese of Armagh to the north of the Boyne and the diocese of Meath to the south of the Boyne. Even though it's the diocese of Meath, most of the addresses south of the Boyne is Co.Louth. During the late 80's and 90's a lot of people who lived south of the Boyne and jumped on the Royal Bandwagon. Most of these would not even have Royal blood in them.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 28/04/2017 11:23:25    1983321

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Replying To OLLIE:  "Royaldunne ill give you an example in GAA. As wee know Drogheda is on the Louth/Meath border. Most of the town is in Louth. A small part is in Meath. The biggest housing estate in Drogheda which was build during the boom is in Co. Meath. The Boyne River divides the town into the diocese of Armagh to the north of the Boyne and the diocese of Meath to the south of the Boyne. Even though it's the diocese of Meath, most of the addresses south of the Boyne is Co.Louth. During the late 80's and 90's a lot of people who lived south of the Boyne and jumped on the Royal Bandwagon. Most of these would not even have Royal blood in them."
Ollie do you think you'd (and other fans you know)support Louth to the same extent if there was no Leinster championship.

Let's say the league and championship were replaced by a Northern division 1&2 and a Southern division 1&2.

Division 2 champions advance to All Ireland quarterfinals alongside 7 teams coming from the division 1.

The regional aspect is kept, every team is in the hunt for Sam but the Provincial championship silverware is gone. Would a division 2 final with a place in the AI quarterfinals have the draw of a Leinster final?

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 28/04/2017 12:19:37    1983335

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Totally agree with the initial post

Last year - I didn't watch a live Championship match till August. I'll do the same this year.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 28/04/2017 12:58:39    1983347

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Ollie do you think you'd (and other fans you know)support Louth to the same extent if there was no Leinster championship.

Let's say the league and championship were replaced by a Northern division 1&2 and a Southern division 1&2.

Division 2 champions advance to All Ireland quarterfinals alongside 7 teams coming from the division 1.

The regional aspect is kept, every team is in the hunt for Sam but the Provincial championship silverware is gone. Would a division 2 final with a place in the AI quarterfinals have the draw of a Leinster final?"
Whammo maybe play the provincials as a separate competition. I know back in 2010 when Louth reached the Leinster final for the first time in fifty years there was some buzz around the county especially when it was against the Royals. It was a day that I thought that I would never see. In the 1990's Louth reached six Leinster semi-finals and were knocked out.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 28/04/2017 13:10:03    1983350

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Replying To Ban:  "Totally agree with the initial post

Last year - I didn't watch a live Championship match till August. I'll do the same this year."
Your honest , your not right your not wrong ,my point is that there are does that feel the game could survive professionalism, you comment answers that quite emphatically

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 28/04/2017 13:31:19    1983357

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Replying To Ban:  "Totally agree with the initial post

Last year - I didn't watch a live Championship match till August. I'll do the same this year."
Do you mean that you didn't go to a match or that you didn't watch on TV. I don't understand why you wouldn't go to support your own team. I could understand not watching on TV (after all it is a relatively new thing that early round matches are shown live on TV. I think the Dublin v Meath saga in 1991 was an exception. (btw that was wonderful TV ).

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 28/04/2017 14:20:20    1983365

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i try to go to as many games as i can,hurling and football,but i am so tired of this system.it badly needs a change.
would the world cave in if we didnt have a ulster football championship or munster hurling championship for 3 years while we try something different?
the problem is,as somebody said,they dont watch a game till august and then there is an epic game or two and everybody says "nothing beats it" while ignoring the turd that has gone on for the previous 3 months.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 28/04/2017 14:29:33    1983368

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