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Replying To royaldunne:  "
Replying To Mayonman:  "[quote=if_in_doubt:  "Sorry 16 Louth. That's my top. Meath were the form team of second half of division 2 (took few games for new management to get team playing as he wanted) 7/8 points including win v Galway.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:10828 - 13/04/2017

I'm just surprised we made your top 10 :)

Realistically though if there's a two tier split in the championship you're still going to see a lot of hidings dished out. There's a big gap between Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone and most of the chasing pack. If you have a 5 or 6 team tournament then you'd get more competitive and balanced games. With a 16 team All Ireland though you'll get a more condensed version of the championship with less variation in terms of ability between most of the teams taking part - but they'll still be hammered when they face a top team."
People talk about big gaps but the gaps are not insurmountable. I'd have Dublin & Kerry at a level above but on a given day any of the teams in the level immediately below could take them out (obviously Dublin/Kerry would be favs). Same thing with the next level. Now it would be a huge surprise for a team to beat a team 2 levels above. Below level 3 i think a lot of teams are very close

(In no order within levels)
Level 1 Dublin Kerry
Level 2 Mayo Donegal Monaghan Tyrone
Level 3 Galway Kildare Meath Cork
Level 4 Down Derry Fermanagh Westmeath Tipp Wexford Armagh Rossies Cavan Clare Louth
Level 5 Sligo Offaly Longford Antrim Laois
Level 6 Carlow Limerick Leitrim Waterford Wicklow London"
Accurate portrayal, there is always one offs, but that is where teams are at, at moment"]I know youre biased but cant agree with this, you can put the level 3 teams in amongst the level 4 teams. Kildare and Galway may be on the verge of separating themselves but will have to see what they do in championship first. As for meath and cork no way on recent years are they ahead of some teams in level 4. Unless this is purely based on league then you cant justify having meath ahead of tipp and not just based on last years championship (maybe im being biased here).

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 353 - 18/04/2017 20:31:41    1980568

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Replying To royaldunne:  "
Replying To cavanman47:  "This is pretty spot on. .

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Tipp a bit high maybe. But at least they're respecting the fact that Meath couldn't get out of division 2."
Hahaha, that's the worst one I've seen yet. Totally not a clue"
Funny that.

It's the only one that doesn't put Meath higher than the 11th place they finished in league terms.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 18/04/2017 21:03:45    1980582

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Replying To tipp11:  "
Replying To royaldunne:  "[quote=Mayonman:  "[quote=if_in_doubt:  "Sorry 16 Louth. That's my top. Meath were the form team of second half of division 2 (took few games for new management to get team playing as he wanted) 7/8 points including win v Galway.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:10828 - 13/04/2017

I'm just surprised we made your top 10 :)

Realistically though if there's a two tier split in the championship you're still going to see a lot of hidings dished out. There's a big gap between Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone and most of the chasing pack. If you have a 5 or 6 team tournament then you'd get more competitive and balanced games. With a 16 team All Ireland though you'll get a more condensed version of the championship with less variation in terms of ability between most of the teams taking part - but they'll still be hammered when they face a top team."
People talk about big gaps but the gaps are not insurmountable. I'd have Dublin & Kerry at a level above but on a given day any of the teams in the level immediately below could take them out (obviously Dublin/Kerry would be favs). Same thing with the next level. Now it would be a huge surprise for a team to beat a team 2 levels above. Below level 3 i think a lot of teams are very close

(In no order within levels)
Level 1 Dublin Kerry
Level 2 Mayo Donegal Monaghan Tyrone
Level 3 Galway Kildare Meath Cork
Level 4 Down Derry Fermanagh Westmeath Tipp Wexford Armagh Rossies Cavan Clare Louth
Level 5 Sligo Offaly Longford Antrim Laois
Level 6 Carlow Limerick Leitrim Waterford Wicklow London"
Accurate portrayal, there is always one offs, but that is where teams are at, at moment"]I know youre biased but cant agree with this, you can put the level 3 teams in amongst the level 4 teams. Kildare and Galway may be on the verge of separating themselves but will have to see what they do in championship first. As for meath and cork no way on recent years are they ahead of some teams in level 4. Unless this is purely based on league then you cant justify having meath ahead of tipp and not just based on last years championship (maybe im being biased here)."]ur probably right. i mean cork were muck this year but u'd have to imagine with their pick and the quality of their players on a given day they could put it up to most. as a galway man i won't be dismissing tipp for sure.....got fingers burnt before! definitely could argue about the level 3 & 4 but i suppose that was my core point. i dont believe the gulfs are there that people make out. fermanagh gave mayo enough of it last year yet they were muck in the league.

outside of possible kerry and dublin who have oodles of players and talent I think in a given year u could rise or drop a couple of levels if u get ur house in order. remember donegal a couple of years before they won sam. the rossies would have been high enough at the end of the league last year and they blew up.

Things are closer than the pundits make out if counties get their act together.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1834 - 25/04/2017 16:30:25    1982587

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