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The timing of the article says more than the article itself. There were two league finals on to write about. Could he not have left it for another week? No he wanted maximum controversy and he knew he would get it. I think Cooper was better than the article suggests, but his Achilles heel was his lack of physicality, but to me that aspect of his game improved greatly this decade. He was one of the best finishers and playmakers in my time (his primary roles in the team) along with Canavan who had a physical edge to him mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 10/04/2017 18:03:58 1978078 Link
it says it all about all Brollly when he has to be continually putting down teams and players. Cooper, Sean Cavanagh, Mayo, Kerry etc. He was writing glowingly about Donegal coming up to the 12 final now he apparently hates defensive football. Cooper was the best corner forward i've seen in the flesh and absolutely superb footballer he absolutely destroyed Mayo in a number of matches and not all the lads that were marking him were sub standard. centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 10/04/2017 18:30:08 1978084 Link
Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Anybody could do what Brolly does though. It's easy to just have a controversial opinion for the sake of it and it doesn't really make good TV as ionce you relaise whta their act is it gets quite tiresome. Too much praise is given to the likes of Brolly and Eamonn Dunphy who basically spout a load of horseshite as being a great thing because it starts debate.The reason most people don't share the views Brolly has is they don't like being wrong for the sake of it and being consitently proven to be a bullshitter." That's not true. Brolly is able to back up his argument with coherent points that others find difficult to dispute. Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 10/04/2017 18:49:47 1978092 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "My own increasingly vague memory of that superb 2005 final was that Gooch was terrific for a lot of it, and that it's well documented how Tyrone had to step outside the boundary of the rulebook to contain him at times. It's a shame that pundits, including Brolly, can't see outside the cliche that losing teams are fully stocked with losers, and winning teams with winners. It's more complicated than that surely? Tyrone 2003-2008 had Kerry's number. It's as simple as that. It was a squad over squad edge, and wasn't a Gooch issue specifically, nor does it spoil his legacy as a player imo." I'd agree with that. I think tactically Kerry messed up too in 08. My memory of the game was Cooper was playing very well and anytime he got the ball he hurt Tyrone. I was rooting for Tyrone that day and remember being very happy with Kerry's insistence on the long high ball into the square 2nd half. I could not understand why they choose to bypass Cooper. Maybe Kerry people can shed some light on this or maybe my memory is playing tricks. Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 10/04/2017 19:02:15 1978098 Link
I am surprised brolly hasn't brought up something like an u14 game where crokes lost and Gooch didn't play well......although that would require research......... joe doesn't do research as_ky (Kerry) - Posts: 535 - 10/04/2017 19:16:04 1978105 Link
Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Where exactly has been the over the top praise of Cooper in retirement that some are claiming. He's been rightly praised as one of the greats and there have been a few articles about him. It's been a few days of coverage and thats all not a Brian O'Driscoll year long retirement party. He'll barely be mentioned in the national media ever again after this week so nothing wrong with a bit of coverage of his retirement and the impact he's had on the game.He's the most recognizable GAA player of the 21st century so his retirement deserves a bit of coverage." A great player and rightly got the column inches any top player should get when they call it a day but the over the top stuff was in croker yesterday it was all very cringy and disrespectful to both sets of players with a video of his greatest hits to with the commentary up full blast five minutes before a national final with the teams warming up that's not the time for something like that, half time would have been far more appropriate hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/04/2017 19:56:47 1978119 Link
Replying To cuchulainn35: "I think Joe Brolly wants to be the show... and CW was right in that what way will Joe think and say next week.... but the premise or the argument was right, cooper didn't die, he wasn't the greatest, he was good noone can deny that, but as Brolly correctly pointed out their were many games in which cooper has held scoreless and was anomous... Mcmenamin didn't give him a sniff of the ball and in all his encounters and with Crossmaglen - he didn't count.... At times we look at people with red tinted glasses, Copper was a very good footballer, but the greatest -no!!! - the greatest lights up every game or the majority," This is just utter rubbish. Gooch was top scorer in some of those Tyrone games. His team as a whole didn't perform. Perhaps Brolly feels that he should be turning games on his own in Roy of the Rovers style but that was never going to happen. Brolly is just looking for attention with all this. It's always about him. Even the retirement of one of the greatest players in the game has to be about Joe and his opinion. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 10/04/2017 20:00:05 1978121 Link
Colm Cooper was a great footballer. He was an excellent finisher but he was into the silly stuff too. Tomas o Shea had a very strong point that he saved them in many matches. Off course he did he lay down when anyone touched in a scoreable position. I saw him manage two frees that he never should have been Awarded against monaghan in an AI quarter final. I heard people saying one day in croker wait to you see Gooch throw the rattles out of the pram when kerry were 4 points down with 10 minutes to go. However it dident work for him that day. He was well marshalled by the Down backs and they had a good win that day. Tyrone kept him quiet on a few big days in Croke Park. Much as I hate to say.. Brolly has a very valid point.. Peter Canavan never shyed on a big occasion. He always made the sports headlines the following day... border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 10/04/2017 20:28:54 1978129 Link
Replying To Gavvygavgav: "That's not true. Brolly is able to back up his argument with coherent points that others find difficult to dispute." He's not though. Cooper played well in the 2005 and 2008 finals.He claims he shirked the challenge set down by Tyrone and Armagh but he clearly didn't. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 10/04/2017 20:31:00 1978130 Link
When Brolly is on RTE I switch over to another channel. CrubeenBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 28 - 10/04/2017 20:48:10 1978144 Link
Replying To border Gael: "Colm Cooper was a great footballer. He was an excellent finisher but he was into the silly stuff too. Tomas o Shea had a very strong point that he saved them in many matches. Off course he did he lay down when anyone touched in a scoreable position. I saw him manage two frees that he never should have been Awarded against monaghan in an AI quarter final. I heard people saying one day in croker wait to you see Gooch throw the rattles out of the pram when kerry were 4 points down with 10 minutes to go. However it dident work for him that day. He was well marshalled by the Down backs and they had a good win that day. Tyrone kept him quiet on a few big days in Croke Park. Much as I hate to say.. Brolly has a very valid point.. Peter Canavan never shyed on a big occasion. He always made the sports headlines the following day..." Joe brolly masquerading as someone else .... totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 916 - 10/04/2017 21:53:14 1978170 Link
Replying To border Gael: "Colm Cooper was a great footballer. He was an excellent finisher but he was into the silly stuff too. Tomas o Shea had a very strong point that he saved them in many matches. Off course he did he lay down when anyone touched in a scoreable position. I saw him manage two frees that he never should have been Awarded against monaghan in an AI quarter final. I heard people saying one day in croker wait to you see Gooch throw the rattles out of the pram when kerry were 4 points down with 10 minutes to go. However it dident work for him that day. He was well marshalled by the Down backs and they had a good win that day. Tyrone kept him quiet on a few big days in Croke Park. Much as I hate to say.. Brolly has a very valid point.. Peter Canavan never shyed on a big occasion. He always made the sports headlines the following day..." Brolly's points were valid regarding Tyrone keeping him quiet but doesn't take away that he was still a great player. No one was saying he was unstoppable , no footballer was/is. Brolly was wrong to question all the praise CC was getting. Personally I think more media time should be taken to acknowledge when great players call it a day. Players like Cooper gave so much to the game and importantly inspire many a youngster to take up the sport. Players like him deserve to have acknowledgement and tributes on GAA programmes/media coverage. poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 11/04/2017 10:49:58 1978271 Link
Replying To tyronemanc: "http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-sublime-finisher-but-colm-cooper-didnt-have-answers-when-asked-tough-questions-35607170.html So very interesting points, I note that Joe was not able to put his point across last night on RTE as it didn't fit in with their script.................." ah ffs, his point was tyrone,tyrone tyrone... ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 11/04/2017 11:05:00 1978278 Link
Replying To poguemahone: "Brolly's points were valid regarding Tyrone keeping him quiet but doesn't take away that he was still a great player. No one was saying he was unstoppable , no footballer was/is. Brolly was wrong to question all the praise CC was getting. Personally I think more media time should be taken to acknowledge when great players call it a day. Players like Cooper gave so much to the game and importantly inspire many a youngster to take up the sport. Players like him deserve to have acknowledgement and tributes on GAA programmes/media coverage." how??? he scored points from play in some of those games against tyrone.. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 11/04/2017 11:13:51 1978282 Link
Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "He's not though. Cooper played well in the 2005 and 2008 finals.He claims he shirked the challenge set down by Tyrone and Armagh but he clearly didn't." spot on! people are falling for it,they are assuming he had quiet games because brolly said so! ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 11/04/2017 11:14:59 1978284 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "What did he say about Kilkenny? Out of interest" Kilkenny have as good a chance of winning Leinster SFC than Meath I think he said. IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 11/04/2017 11:49:11 1978302 Link
Joe's GAA world view is that if you are not a top player or a top 4 team you have serious deficiencies. Winning a division 4, 3 or 2 title is offends his mindset. His contribution to analysis is limited to the top 4 a la carte. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 11/04/2017 12:47:04 1978331 Link
Replying To ziggy32001: "how??? he scored points from play in some of those games against tyrone.." I know but it wasn't about keeping him scoreless. More that when it came to the crunch with games in the balance, Tyrone had players to influence the winning of the games. Tyrone made it very tough for most forwards at the business end of games. Like said, it does not make Cooper a lesser player because he didn't give MOTM performances against a particular team. poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 11/04/2017 12:47:39 1978332 Link
Replying To IrishGael3: "Kilkenny have as good a chance of winning Leinster SFC than Meath I think he said." derry were battered by meath :) ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 11/04/2017 13:32:03 1978362 Link
There plenty of 1 trick ponies giving their opinion on RTÉ and SKY. Some were lucky enough to win 1 all Ireland and some never won anything at the highest level. The secret is ... don't listen to them . Especially the 1 trick 1,footers..Then their opinion won't rag Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 11/04/2017 13:54:50 1978380 Link