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Replying To jimbodub: "Is it a harder achievement to win the league than an All Ireland? You have to beat nothing but Div 1 teams, with games away from home against the best teams in the country Dublin will perhaps only play 2-3 Div 1 teams to get to a possible final in 2017 and probably all in CP" You have to take into account the preparedness of teams you are playing. I listened to a good podcast a few weeks ago with a former member of the Mayo back room team whose name escapes me. He spoke very well about the chaotic preparations for league games with so many players away in college or working in Dublin. They couldn't train together during the week and barely got one session in prior to games. Teams are much better prepared during the summer with students off college, longer evenings and more sessions together. It's much much harder to win the All Ireland than the league for these reasons. Not making excuses but Kerry have been missing several key players throughout the league for various reasons. So have many other counties, and some just don't really take it all that seriously once they know they are safe from relegation. It's all about getting ready for the championship. I'd like Kerry to win this Sunday, mainly because it would be nice to beat Dublin for once. I doubt anybody in Kerry cares about the league trophy. I certainly don't. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 04/04/2017 18:48:18 1975646 Link
This is great though, have to admit I like this logic Who cares about winning a national final in front of a large crowd against your arch rival ... Why didn't someone tell me about this years ago? Who cares... I love it. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 04/04/2017 19:03:36 1975662 Link
Replying To TheHermit: "TGI's? sure that's just a glorified New Yorkers Kingdomboy, give me the Burger Shack anyday. I'll be looking forward to a few scoops in Mulligans myself." Ha ha it's a treat for when we go to the big smoke. But ya burger shack is nice too, if iv time I might call in to mulligans my self for a pint. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/04/2017 19:56:55 1975694 Link
Anyone notice the Kerry boys have shut up about goal keepers (cluxton) taking frees? Their keeper takes them now so it must be ok ha. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 04/04/2017 20:29:28 1975716 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "This is great though, have to admit I like this logic Who cares about winning a national final in front of a large crowd against your arch rival ... Why didn't someone tell me about this years ago? Who cares... I love it." To be fair maybe the Kerry lads have a point, I mean Dublin haven't really haven't gotten out of third gear for more then 7 mins per game and only if the result is at stake. We have blooded the guts of 2014, U21 All Ireland winning Team, Stretched the legs of the lads fringes of the panel and given the first team most of the spring off. Regardless of what happens Sunday, we have met our key objectives of the league and still finished top of the pile. I'm not to pushed about the result on Sunday, just hope the spectacle isn't like Tralee, have adsolutly no anxiety about the fixture to be honest, we've got what's required from the campaign. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 04/04/2017 20:40:54 1975724 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "To be fair maybe the Kerry lads have a point, I mean Dublin haven't really haven't gotten out of third gear for more then 7 mins per game and only if the result is at stake. We have blooded the guts of 2014, U21 All Ireland winning Team, Stretched the legs of the lads fringes of the panel and given the first team most of the spring off. Regardless of what happens Sunday, we have met our key objectives of the league and still finished top of the pile. I'm not to pushed about the result on Sunday, just hope the spectacle isn't like Tralee, have adsolutly no anxiety about the fixture to be honest, we've got what's required from the campaign." "Perhaps the Kerry lads have a point" Never speak to me again ;) jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 04/04/2017 20:46:21 1975728 Link
Replying To jimbodub: ""Perhaps the Kerry lads have a point" Never speak to me again ;)" Not a fan of TGI Fridays myself, I'm just going to put that out there. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 04/04/2017 20:55:46 1975733 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Anyone notice the Kerry boys have shut up about goal keepers (cluxton) taking frees? Their keeper takes them now so it must be ok ha." Won't have to worry bout that on Sunday as keally will have work cut out for him to keep the ball kicked out to ye :-) KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/04/2017 21:17:01 1975745 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Not a fan of TGI Fridays myself, I'm just going to put that out there." It's better than captain Americas :-) KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/04/2017 21:20:41 1975747 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "It's better than captain Americas :-)" Hit Zaytoon on Parliament Street my South West friend, top grub pre or post a Jar!! TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 04/04/2017 22:59:37 1975802 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Hit Zaytoon on Parliament Street my South West friend, top grub pre or post a Jar!!" Hi it's not like the blue oyster is it? :-) only messing il check it out , thanks kid. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 05/04/2017 00:06:41 1975831 Link
kilkenny, McCaffrey, Mannion, Costello ,Emmett O Congaile ,Conor Mchugh, Niall Scully, Brian Fenton ,Davy Byrne, Eric Lowdnes ,John Small all these players were the stand out players from the minor teams of '11 and '12 and then '14 21's team and you knew by watching them they'd be Dublin players. Who on your great minor 3 In a row team will be Kerry players ? I only really know Spillane and Clifford (he's still minor so Won't be involved this year) , is your midfielder Barry and savage still under 21? Who else should we be looking out for? clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 05/04/2017 11:28:24 1975935 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "kilkenny, McCaffrey, Mannion, Costello ,Emmett O Congaile ,Conor Mchugh, Niall Scully, Brian Fenton ,Davy Byrne, Eric Lowdnes ,John Small all these players were the stand out players from the minor teams of '11 and '12 and then '14 21's team and you knew by watching them they'd be Dublin players. Who on your great minor 3 In a row team will be Kerry players ? I only really know Spillane and Clifford (he's still minor so Won't be involved this year) , is your midfielder Barry and savage still under 21? Who else should we be looking out for?" No Barry and savage are gone from U21s But players to look out for are our goalie Shane Ryan who plays out the field for his club ratmore. Brian sugrue ,jason foley our fullback who turned down an athletic scholarship to the US to play for Kerry although i hear he could be heading to oz. the entire half back line of o'beaglaoih O'Sullivan and Gavin white are stand out. Andew Barry in midfield he's jacks brother. Up front we're spoiled , Mathew flaherty seanie o'shea Brian o'sheanachain killian Spillane Conor geaney Micháel burns Jordan kiely Cathal Banbury and the diamond in the rough the new bomber/ Star is Matthew O'Sullivan. If mark O'connor didn't go to oz he'd have been a future player of the year, he has it all , he was like a cross between jacko and Mick O'connell. But that's life I guess. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 05/04/2017 12:04:34 1975954 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "You have to take into account the preparedness of teams you are playing. I listened to a good podcast a few weeks ago with a former member of the Mayo back room team whose name escapes me. He spoke very well about the chaotic preparations for league games with so many players away in college or working in Dublin. They couldn't train together during the week and barely got one session in prior to games. Teams are much better prepared during the summer with students off college, longer evenings and more sessions together. It's much much harder to win the All Ireland than the league for these reasons. Not making excuses but Kerry have been missing several key players throughout the league for various reasons. So have many other counties, and some just don't really take it all that seriously once they know they are safe from relegation. It's all about getting ready for the championship. I'd like Kerry to win this Sunday, mainly because it would be nice to beat Dublin for once. I doubt anybody in Kerry cares about the league trophy. I certainly don't." I think it goes both ways. On one hand you could argue that the league is a stronger competition than some give it credit for as teams are playing against teams at the same level. However, some teams don't play with a full hand for the league campaign, only bring intensity when relegation becomes an issue and still use it as shadow boxing in preparation for the championship in the summer by blooding new players etc. On the other, the championship as a competition overall, doesn't start for the main players until August, such is the poor level of competition (bar Ulster) in the provincials. One loss post provincials knocks teams out which I think is unfair on provincial winners and doesn't give a true reflection of the best teams in the country playing for the title. However, the championship still brings the real intensity the real competition out of teams, some teams are geared towards performing on a given day and lets face it, there is nothing like being in Croke Park or any of the other grounds watching Gaelic Football in warm weather. keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 05/04/2017 12:14:39 1975960 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "kilkenny, McCaffrey, Mannion, Costello ,Emmett O Congaile ,Conor Mchugh, Niall Scully, Brian Fenton ,Davy Byrne, Eric Lowdnes ,John Small all these players were the stand out players from the minor teams of '11 and '12 and then '14 21's team and you knew by watching them they'd be Dublin players. Who on your great minor 3 In a row team will be Kerry players ? I only really know Spillane and Clifford (he's still minor so Won't be involved this year) , is your midfielder Barry and savage still under 21? Who else should we be looking out for?" And to think we shouldve beaten most of those lads in the u-21 semi in 2014. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 05/04/2017 12:14:56 1975961 Link
Replying To Breffni39: "And to think we shouldve beaten most of those lads in the u-21 semi in 2014." Could have alright, close one that... perhaps a wee bit fortunate to come out with that win, although still think we just about shaded it Just another example of another hard fought for game that eventually led to a title, Dubs very rarely win handy national titles, apart from hammering Kerry in last years league final Many of the Dublin players mentioned also lost to very good and brilliantly prepared U21 Longford side in Parnell Park... also lost to Tipp in 2011 as Minors Might explain a lot about them.. they've had to win the hard way at underage, and suffered some big loses jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 05/04/2017 15:37:46 1976044 Link
Replying To keithlemon: "I think it goes both ways. On one hand you could argue that the league is a stronger competition than some give it credit for as teams are playing against teams at the same level. However, some teams don't play with a full hand for the league campaign, only bring intensity when relegation becomes an issue and still use it as shadow boxing in preparation for the championship in the summer by blooding new players etc. On the other, the championship as a competition overall, doesn't start for the main players until August, such is the poor level of competition (bar Ulster) in the provincials. One loss post provincials knocks teams out which I think is unfair on provincial winners and doesn't give a true reflection of the best teams in the country playing for the title. However, the championship still brings the real intensity the real competition out of teams, some teams are geared towards performing on a given day and lets face it, there is nothing like being in Croke Park or any of the other grounds watching Gaelic Football in warm weather." There is no 'could argue' about it. The championship is the only competition that matters to most counties. A good example of this is Tyrone last weekend who came to Kerry with a chance of making the final and looked like they couldn't be bothered. Kerry and Mayo have had some really strange results throughout the league due to heavy training and playing experimental and inexperienced teams. The vast majority of teams are using it to try things, find new players and improve their fitness for the summer. The exception is Dublin who have gone for it full pelt in recent seasons, often playing their championship team right from the start. More power to them, and they seem to value winning it. I actually didn't know how many Kerry had won until somebody mentioned it above and I doubt most Kerry people could tell you, nor do they care. Like I said above I'd like us to beat Dublin on Sunday because it's Dublin. The league trophy is irrelevant. It has definitely improved as a competition in recent seasons and some of the games can be good. There are a lot of surprise results but the stakes aren't exactly high when most teams are content just to stay up. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 05/04/2017 23:13:53 1976273 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "There is no 'could argue' about it. The championship is the only competition that matters to most counties. A good example of this is Tyrone last weekend who came to Kerry with a chance of making the final and looked like they couldn't be bothered. Kerry and Mayo have had some really strange results throughout the league due to heavy training and playing experimental and inexperienced teams. The vast majority of teams are using it to try things, find new players and improve their fitness for the summer. The exception is Dublin who have gone for it full pelt in recent seasons, often playing their championship team right from the start. More power to them, and they seem to value winning it. I actually didn't know how many Kerry had won until somebody mentioned it above and I doubt most Kerry people could tell you, nor do they care. Like I said above I'd like us to beat Dublin on Sunday because it's Dublin. The league trophy is irrelevant. It has definitely improved as a competition in recent seasons and some of the games can be good. There are a lot of surprise results but the stakes aren't exactly high when most teams are content just to stay up." I have said the same Gerry, I mean look at Kilkenny in the hurling, they don't take the league seriously they just tip away like our selves do enough to survive and try and unearth a few players, it's only the league after all . KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 06/04/2017 03:00:07 1976302 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "There is no 'could argue' about it. The championship is the only competition that matters to most counties. A good example of this is Tyrone last weekend who came to Kerry with a chance of making the final and looked like they couldn't be bothered. Kerry and Mayo have had some really strange results throughout the league due to heavy training and playing experimental and inexperienced teams. The vast majority of teams are using it to try things, find new players and improve their fitness for the summer. The exception is Dublin who have gone for it full pelt in recent seasons, often playing their championship team right from the start. More power to them, and they seem to value winning it. I actually didn't know how many Kerry had won until somebody mentioned it above and I doubt most Kerry people could tell you, nor do they care. Like I said above I'd like us to beat Dublin on Sunday because it's Dublin. The league trophy is irrelevant. It has definitely improved as a competition in recent seasons and some of the games can be good. There are a lot of surprise results but the stakes aren't exactly high when most teams are content just to stay up." Often playing their championship team from the start??? Our forward line against our two biggest rivals (mayo/Kerry) 10. Carty 11. Kilkenny 12. Scully 13. Rock 14. O Gara/Andrews 15. Mchugh If that's going full pelt team selection wise against our biggest rivals then you mustn't know our players. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 06/04/2017 06:59:49 1976310 Link
Couple of errors , Dublin have not played Championship starting 15 often from the start of league , you will in fact find quite the opposite , secondly most teams not taking league seriously may be true of Div one , however div one is but a fraction of the teams in Ireland . Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 06/04/2017 08:55:59 1976331 Link