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Dublin will say that the league was good in terms of blooding players. Niall Scully and Conor McHugh are now viable options. However, why didn't these guys start today then. Dublin reverted back to their seemingly strongest forward line based on previous years championship. I thought a few of them looked off the pace. Connolly and Brogan in particular. Both outstanding and footballers. But footballers play football and not just half an hour now and again. No matter, how good they might be, if they don't play they will be off the pace. Notice that Eamon Fitz resisted throwing Star into the mix. Dublin should try out players in the Leinster championship and should be priming their stars for the bigger games by playing them in the most competitive matches. Not just Dublin. That said, they lost by one point and one inch do no panic for them. Kerry were fantastic in their period of dominance. Thoroughly deserved their win. 2017 has been very good for them so far. I agree with ClondalkinDub. I would go further though. We are not going to see another game at that pace until the latter half of August. We can patronize certain teams or wax lyrical about the Ulster championship all we want but the only team other than today's teams that can reach that intensity for 70 minutes is Mayo. Tyrone, Donegal and Monaghan have a slight chance of keeping up and for every other team, the year is now OVER. There is little point in bigging up games between Leitrim and London or Cork and Tipp when, in the grander scheme of things, they are insignificant. bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 09/04/2017 23:12:52 1977703 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "No he hand passed it tbf but it was a stone wall peno plus he bought the Darren O Sullivan dive hook line and sinker but Kerry deserved their win no doubt about that better team on the day." Clearly threw the ball not a handpass I was directly in line with it and you could tell where the ball went it was a rush of blood to the head moment as it wasn't directed to a single player hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/04/2017 23:13:15 1977704 Link
Replying To hill16no1man: "Very silly comment of course the awarding of a penalty matters and is a very big call. just one other thing I just watched how brolly on league Sunday and felt he let himself down over the gooch very poor words about him that was uncalled for as he was a great player. but he made one point that was correct the video out on the screen today was very cringeworthy, plenty of players have retired and nothing like that done but both teams were out on the field warming up and this was being run in the screen surely a bit poor from gaa towards the player's and half time would have sufficed if they felt the need to do that sort of thing" Obviously everything that doesn't get awarded that should have been matters, just as what I said was obviously tongue in cheek. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 09/04/2017 23:22:34 1977705 Link
Hill I'm not saying you're wrong in anything you are saying about the calls you mention I agree with most if not all of what you say, but I'm sure if pushed Kerry lads would give a list of calls the referee gave us that he shouldn't have or didn't get a particular decision that maybe they felt they should've got but that's football. we got out of today what we deserved and that was nothing. Back to the drawing board. Not the end of the world life goes on .. It's going to be a long 8 weeks waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 09/04/2017 23:27:12 1977708 Link
Lest it be ignored, steven cluxton was EPIC today in all facets. EPIC . Back to his 2011 best. Brilliant Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 09/04/2017 23:27:46 1977709 Link
Replying To arock: "Yes that is very true, the problem with most successful teams is their failure to transition new blood which ultimately hastens their demise, and this is equally true of this Dublin team if it is not nipped in the bud. I doubt it will be nipped in the bud because most coaches and managers are suckered into believing the players they know are far far better than the players they don't. This Dublin team will run for a few years yet but that duration is totally dependant on what young talent they bring in and older ones they let go." They will be strong for ever . When we're Dublin ever not strong since Heffo army arrived on the scene. They have gone on to another level now though. But it not just young players coming through. It's the quality of player coming through. Cluxton Flynn Connolly Brogan are 4 of the greatest Dublin players ever and in their position are as good as I have seen. Do Dublin have another Connolly up their sleeve?. In Meath we replaced O Rourke in the 80s with Giles in the 90s. We replaced Lyons in the 80s with Fay in the 90s and we replaced McEntee in the 80s with McDermont in the 90s. But in the noughties we did not have a forward a full back or midfielder to replace the above. That's a very hard thing to do. Only Kerry and Kilkenny have done it successfully. And They have done it for decades. Time will tell if today was just a blip or team in decline. Interesting times ahead. Lyons2000 (Meath) - Posts: 101 - 09/04/2017 23:33:28 1977711 Link
Replying To Sindar: "Was it my imagination or did Brendan Kealy throw the ball inside the small square in the dying minutes? Penalty if he did but the replay wasn't very clear. Though he missed a few red card incidents I thought the ref had a good game" For much of the game he did very well but some of the red card incidents you mention were clear striking offences. He missed all three which has to be taken into account when ranking his performance. Some posters might say it was good that he missed them as it kept both teams at full strength but I think it just encourages players to try the same carry-on the next time he has charge of a game. neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 09/04/2017 23:38:19 1977713 Link
Replying To hill16no1man: "No your correct it was as clear as day a throw from keeper. don't agree red was good I already pointed out plenty decisions he called badly but the black card for lyne on Connolly should have been a red as itvwas a high tackle around the back not black. also couple minutes before half time I doubt camera picked it up but cian o Sullivan was pulled to the ground by geaney I think it was trying to get forward and linesman didn't intervene. just like at the goal post James McCarthy was struck by donnacha Walsh with umpire two feet away and refused to inform ref of what he saw, league Sunday were poor in not showing these incidents when talking about officiating" Jesus hill I know I'm bias but holy jaysis manyou take it to another level. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 09/04/2017 23:53:52 1977718 Link
Mayo. Tyrone, Donegal and Monaghan have a slight chance of keeping up [with Dublin & Kerry] and for every other team, the year is now OVER. There is little point in bigging up games between Leitrim and London or Cork and Tipp when, in the grander scheme of things, they are insignificant. bennybunny (Cork) - Posts:3427 - 09/04/2017 23:12:52 1977703 Come on now benny. Where would the GAA be - both football and hurling - with an attitude like that. Sure, you maybe right about Dublin and Kerry being on another level to the rest; but to belittle the rest and call their games insignificant and the year over is ridiculous and insulting. There will be many a competitive game, enjoyed by both the players and fans, played between teams not at the same level as Dublin & Kerry. How are these "insignificant" counties meant to improve if they don't test themselves against teams equal to and better themselves? Even if it means they get the odd hammering now and again. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2477 - 10/04/2017 00:07:54 1977719 Link
Replying To bennybunny: "Dublin will say that the league was good in terms of blooding players. Niall Scully and Conor McHugh are now viable options. However, why didn't these guys start today then. Dublin reverted back to their seemingly strongest forward line based on previous years championship. I thought a few of them looked off the pace. Connolly and Brogan in particular. Both outstanding and footballers. But footballers play football and not just half an hour now and again. No matter, how good they might be, if they don't play they will be off the pace. Notice that Eamon Fitz resisted throwing Star into the mix. Dublin should try out players in the Leinster championship and should be priming their stars for the bigger games by playing them in the most competitive matches. Not just Dublin. That said, they lost by one point and one inch do no panic for them. Kerry were fantastic in their period of dominance. Thoroughly deserved their win. 2017 has been very good for them so far. I agree with ClondalkinDub. I would go further though. We are not going to see another game at that pace until the latter half of August. We can patronize certain teams or wax lyrical about the Ulster championship all we want but the only team other than today's teams that can reach that intensity for 70 minutes is Mayo. Tyrone, Donegal and Monaghan have a slight chance of keeping up and for every other team, the year is now OVER. There is little point in bigging up games between Leitrim and London or Cork and Tipp when, in the grander scheme of things, they are insignificant." Connolly looked off the pace? dont agree with that. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 10/04/2017 00:08:43 1977720 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Connolly looked off the pace? dont agree with that." I agree, I thought he was playing quite well, and would have improved as he got in to it more, but Diarmuid has the divil in him and we have to live with it, for now. And I agree with that FF line of Mannion Rock and Costello, with BB, COC, & even O'Gara on occasion, waiting to pounce. And I also agree that Cluxton played very well indeed, what was his yellow for, haven't seen the TV yet?! realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 10/04/2017 00:18:53 1977723 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Connolly looked off the pace? dont agree with that." Thought Connolly oozed class for the limited time he was on the pitch ... And then he had a brain fart and let the team down. Pity waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 10/04/2017 00:25:34 1977725 Link
I thought the referee was very fair and not for or against any side. Yes there were some calls that he got wrong but in no way could anyone say he favoured one side or the other. I don't know how any Dub fan could say he favoured Kerry. I mean if you really want to be picky you could say Michael Darragh McAuley could have been sent off for a forearm smash and Philly McMahon could have walked for a fist into the opponent's face. McMahon could also have been penalised for a foot block as well but Dublin got off on all these occasions. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 10/04/2017 01:19:12 1977727 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Connolly looked off the pace? dont agree with that." Yeah, he was playing well. Very well. Was getting on plenty of ball and must be the best passer of a ball in the country right now. His discipline must drive you dubs fans absolutely nuts at this stage tho. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 10/04/2017 08:29:21 1977743 Link
Replying To mayotyroneman: "So we had two teams playing 14 men behind the ball. A game litters with fouls. 62 free kicks awarded. A cynical drag down at the end to stop a certain score. At least 3 punches thrown dragging down off the ball. And not even an ulster team on the pitch!" Neither played 14 behind the ball. You're right about the rest but the ref did give some questionable frees so the freecount was a bit higher than it should've been. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 10/04/2017 08:34:42 1977744 Link
My pennies worth. 1. Thought we were very 'leggy' from the beginning, as if Jim had not laid off the heavy training sessions. Real or clutching at straws? 2. Missed DC, and though yes others should have got a black on both sides, his was stupid. Normally he is a great track back player but seemed to have no pace hence the pull down. 3. People saying there should have been reds are out of their minds. Two good teams thumping the living day lights out of each other, without it getting out of hand is what we want to see. Reminds me of out matches with Meath in the '80s. Great stuff and neither side complained. 4. Rock within 45ms is deadly, Over 45M is just out of his range. 5. Change in tactics to see Mickey Fitz go forward so much aka Cooper? Mickey normally gets a noise bleed when he goes outside out 45M. The strange thing yesterday leaving Croker was the Dubs relief that 'the run' had come to an end before the championship. Seemed like a weight off our minds. Kerry now red hot favourites for the All-Ireland. witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 10/04/2017 08:39:35 1977745 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "Yeah, he was playing well. Very well. Was getting on plenty of ball and must be the best passer of a ball in the country right now. His discipline must drive you dubs fans absolutely nuts at this stage tho." It drives me nuts anyway superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 10/04/2017 09:16:48 1977755 Link
Great league final. Kerry deserved it. I have to admit I was hoping Rock's final kick would go over the bar as I was hoping for ET. If your betting you might think these two will contest the final in September. That said there is a hell of alot of football to be played between now and then. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 10/04/2017 09:17:12 1977756 Link
Replying To Sindar: "I know the rule but it's not a definition. Leaving aside the McMahon incident, that rule makes no distinction between a player being 5m away or 5cm away. It also says boot as opposed to leg and makes no distinction on whether whether the foot is moving away or towards the kicker which makes a big difference if breaking someone's leg is the issue. The rule is there for safety reasons but still no definition. It's just like the tackle rule, no clear definition." My understanding is to guard against both players kicking the ball at the same time, potentially causing a foot break. I'm sure we have all been there. In this scenario the forward was dropping the ball and the interception was made from the side before the forwards foot came near it. No issue in my mind. In fact I thought it was a great tackle dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 10/04/2017 09:22:47 1977760 Link
Replying To neverright: "For much of the game he did very well but some of the red card incidents you mention were clear striking offences. He missed all three which has to be taken into account when ranking his performance. Some posters might say it was good that he missed them as it kept both teams at full strength but I think it just encourages players to try the same carry-on the next time he has charge of a game." You're right. A striking offence is a red card no matter where or when it happens. I don't think he could have seen the Philly McMahon two. The others mentioned in this thread I didn't see except for McCarthy and Walsh right beside the umpire. Ref should have seen that as that's where the ball was. Incidentally, and I only saw a very short replay of this, the Connolly black was incorrect. From what I saw, Connolly pulled him back by the jersey but not pull him to the ground and the rule uses the "collid". It might be pedantic but rules are worded very carefully to cover their stuff. The linesman brought this to the ref's attention so he should have been sure before doing so. Separately, I don't really agree when people in say in general the ref was good as he let the game flow. I'm not referring to any specific game. Players let the game flow by not committing fouls If refs start letting fouls go then that annoys players and leads them to lash out and then the red cards are needed when it's too late. Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 10/04/2017 09:24:53 1977767 Link