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Replying To Wedgie: "This current squad hasn't got where it is by being made up of players who there simply because they are 'better than the average Meath hurler' , this squad of players are there because of the total commitment and dedication they've given since day one at training and every time they put on the green jersey. Why would you want to dilute that spirit by slotting in a number of individuals don't want to give the same commitment..?" I think the phrase "don't want to give the same commitment" is a little unfair to the players in question. "Are unable to give the same commitment" would be a more accurate reflection of the situation. the way you put it makes it sound like the lads are taking it easy, not wanting to train, but expecting to play. In reality they are busting a gut training 5 or 6 days a week, which makes it impossible to be able to give the required commitment to the hurling.
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Replying To anfearbeag: "I think the phrase "don't want to give the same commitment" is a little unfair to the players in question. "Are unable to give the same commitment" would be a more accurate reflection of the situation. the way you put it makes it sound like the lads are taking it easy, not wanting to train, but expecting to play. In reality they are busting a gut training 5 or 6 days a week, which makes it impossible to be able to give the required commitment to the hurling." Unwilling to commit would probably be more accurate but its just semantics really. Regardless of what the lads are doing when they're not training with the hurlers if they're not 100% committed to the program then they have to go. Hurling and Football are two completely different sports and require completely different skill sets. Fitness has nothing to do with it, it's a given that this current squad are probably the fittest set of players we've had in years, it's more than just 'busting a gut' six nights a week or we would all be running laps around fields and winning All Ireland medals, you could be the fittest player on the pitch but if you haven't got the touch and the vision it would be worthless.
Martin Ennis has put together a top notch backroom team with a unique training program aimed at developing more than the players fitness and it's clearly paying dividends, he shouldn't have to compromise or make sacrifices to that program to suit any individual.
JT has made his decision and we should respect that, thank him and move on.
Ask yourself, what do you think Andy Mc would say to him if JT told him he wasn't going to be able to train with the footballers because he was training with the Hurlers?
It was clearly his choice to do it this way, he chose football over hurling, he'll be a great addition to the footballers and a big loss to the hurlers but that's how it goes, nobody is irreplaceable and we're lucky enough to have a decent squad of players ready and able to take his place.
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Replying To numberedjerseys: "Come off it mickey Burke played picked and played for Ireland in shinty bit better than the average meath hurler" He was picked for Ireland Shinty because of his reputation as a county footballer. not for his hurling ability,
Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 630 - 06/04/2017 08:43:52
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Replying To anfearbeag: "I think the phrase "don't want to give the same commitment" is a little unfair to the players in question. "Are unable to give the same commitment" would be a more accurate reflection of the situation. the way you put it makes it sound like the lads are taking it easy, not wanting to train, but expecting to play. In reality they are busting a gut training 5 or 6 days a week, which makes it impossible to be able to give the required commitment to the hurling." Yea we should be saying fair play to the lads. In relation to Toher People forget he is still in his early 20s and has to consider burnout along with a job and travel and don't forget club where he also has to play both codes. Burke also has to consider his body as he is not getting any younger. They have both shown serious commitment to the hurlers and to be fair toher has been involved heavily for a number of years so maybe he wants to try his luck with the footballers for a season. If some1 offered me a crack at the dubs i'd take their arm off. I say best of luck to him and burke.
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Replying To Irish_downunder: "Yea we should be saying fair play to the lads. In relation to Toher People forget he is still in his early 20s and has to consider burnout along with a job and travel and don't forget club where he also has to play both codes. Burke also has to consider his body as he is not getting any younger. They have both shown serious commitment to the hurlers and to be fair toher has been involved heavily for a number of years so maybe he wants to try his luck with the footballers for a season. If some1 offered me a crack at the dubs i'd take their arm off. I say best of luck to him and burke." Exactly, if anything the withdrawl/Dropping of JT from the county Hurling setup will have a greater impact on Trim hurling than it will on the county Hurling team.
In a county where football will always come ahead of hurling who can blame anyone for wanting to go that direction?
Wedgie (Meath) - Posts: 253 - 06/04/2017 10:14:49
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Replying To Wedgie: "Unwilling to commit would probably be more accurate but its just semantics really. Regardless of what the lads are doing when they're not training with the hurlers if they're not 100% committed to the program then they have to go. Hurling and Football are two completely different sports and require completely different skill sets. Fitness has nothing to do with it, it's a given that this current squad are probably the fittest set of players we've had in years, it's more than just 'busting a gut' six nights a week or we would all be running laps around fields and winning All Ireland medals, you could be the fittest player on the pitch but if you haven't got the touch and the vision it would be worthless.
Martin Ennis has put together a top notch backroom team with a unique training program aimed at developing more than the players fitness and it's clearly paying dividends, he shouldn't have to compromise or make sacrifices to that program to suit any individual.
JT has made his decision and we should respect that, thank him and move on.
Ask yourself, what do you think Andy Mc would say to him if JT told him he wasn't going to be able to train with the footballers because he was training with the Hurlers?
It was clearly his choice to do it this way, he chose football over hurling, he'll be a great addition to the footballers and a big loss to the hurlers but that's how it goes, nobody is irreplaceable and we're lucky enough to have a decent squad of players ready and able to take his place." I agree with you 100% that Martin Ennis has made the right decision to move on without the two lads. In fact I pretty much agree with the entire post- it's an excellent post. I especially agree with the sentiment that we should respect their decision to prioritise football, thank them and move on without them. What I don't agree with with is the snide knocking of the players, especially Micky Burke, that has been going on around here. He has given a lot to meath hurling, at times when other possibly more talented hurlers couldn't/wouldn't commit, and he should be thanked for that, rather than di being knocked as some wish to do.
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Replying To anfearbeag: "I agree with you 100% that Martin Ennis has made the right decision to move on without the two lads. In fact I pretty much agree with the entire post- it's an excellent post. I especially agree with the sentiment that we should respect their decision to prioritise football, thank them and move on without them. What I don't agree with with is the snide knocking of the players, especially Micky Burke, that has been going on around here. He has given a lot to meath hurling, at times when other possibly more talented hurlers couldn't/wouldn't commit, and he should be thanked for that, rather than di being knocked as some wish to do." Agree with a lot of what is being said here. In fairness to James Toher and Micky Burke, it is a difficult position to be put in. Everyone knows the McEntee's view on Meath hurling, so it makes it even trickier. For the dual player situation to work you need two managers that will acoomodate the scenario of the dual player. It would never work.
Saying that Mickey Burke and James Toher have nothing to prove to the hurlers on the ditch. They have been both great servants to Meath hurling and Meath GAA in general over the past number of years, and what ever decision they make, people need to stand by.
That being said, Martin Ennis and Chivers have done a great job in "gel"ing this squad together and it was so important to get out of that division on Saturday. With a big effort they could surprise a few teams in the round robin and do well against these teams. Let the rest of the panel get on with things
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Replying To anfearbeag: "I agree with you 100% that Martin Ennis has made the right decision to move on without the two lads. In fact I pretty much agree with the entire post- it's an excellent post. I especially agree with the sentiment that we should respect their decision to prioritise football, thank them and move on without them. What I don't agree with with is the snide knocking of the players, especially Micky Burke, that has been going on around here. He has given a lot to meath hurling, at times when other possibly more talented hurlers couldn't/wouldn't commit, and he should be thanked for that, rather than di being knocked as some wish to do." No I don't agree with those comments either, which is why I would never say anything like that. MB has been a loyal servant to Meath hurling (and football) over the years, he owes us nothing and has nothing to prove. He's a fine hurler and I'd love to see him back, but fully back 100% committed to the hurling, not as he's been doing recently.
Having said that I can understand why he (or anyone in Meath would) choose football over Hurling at the moment but our day is coming.
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Look this Toher, Burke thing needs to be put to bed, the fact is a local opinion were totally out of order with the first page snippet saying the Duel players were axed by Ennis,, and then the first page of the sports section , a full page used about the two so called Duel players that were not in Parnell park for the final and nothing about the victory and that Meath finally got out of Div 2B !!! (that was on the inside pages) They were quick enough to slate Ennis when he did not get the team out of 2B last year and the year before. They had the chance to acknowledge the teams achievement by giving it a huge profile in the paper this week but they chose not to.
Why did they not put a snippet at the top of page one saying MEATH HURLERS WIN LEAGUE TITLE !!! and on the first page of the sports section have a positive feature about the victory. But no they chose to go with the negative story about Meath hurling once again.
On the duel player issue, I read Martin Ennis interview and he spoke very honestly about the duel player issue, and on a paper's Facebook page on Thursday it said that it was the players choice not to make themselves available for the final. He was also quoted as saying that he would be going with the present squad for the leinster championship and for me this is the correct decision. The duel player thing did not work in my opinion and I would guess it caused bad feeling in the dressing room among the squad. Another fact lost in this Duel player issue is that their was no direct clash between the football V Clare and hurling v Wicklow and still James Toher and Mick Burke were not in Parnell Park. Surley if they were serious about playing hurling they should have made themselves available , sat on bench and if needed com off the bench to help the team.
So it it a case that The football management would not let them travel with the hurlers ???????????????
That is the 6 million dollar question that needs to be answered, If the football management said no, well then the players made their choice to not turn up for the hurlers. You would not have to be a genius to figure what the football management said to the two lads !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets turn out attention to the leinster Championship, Three great games in the next month or so. I think Ennis can get the team into the quarter final, what do you guys think ????
My Predictions , Beat Kerry by 2/3 points, Laois Draw and Beat Westmeath by 3 !!!!!
Do any of you know if the hurlers have any challenge matches this week ????
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Replying To gardentree: "Look this Toher, Burke thing needs to be put to bed, the fact is a local opinion were totally out of order with the first page snippet saying the Duel players were axed by Ennis,, and then the first page of the sports section , a full page used about the two so called Duel players that were not in Parnell park for the final and nothing about the victory and that Meath finally got out of Div 2B !!! (that was on the inside pages) They were quick enough to slate Ennis when he did not get the team out of 2B last year and the year before. They had the chance to acknowledge the teams achievement by giving it a huge profile in the paper this week but they chose not to.
Why did they not put a snippet at the top of page one saying MEATH HURLERS WIN LEAGUE TITLE !!! and on the first page of the sports section have a positive feature about the victory. But no they chose to go with the negative story about Meath hurling once again.
On the duel player issue, I read Martin Ennis interview and he spoke very honestly about the duel player issue, and on a paper's Facebook page on Thursday it said that it was the players choice not to make themselves available for the final. He was also quoted as saying that he would be going with the present squad for the leinster championship and for me this is the correct decision. The duel player thing did not work in my opinion and I would guess it caused bad feeling in the dressing room among the squad. Another fact lost in this Duel player issue is that their was no direct clash between the football V Clare and hurling v Wicklow and still James Toher and Mick Burke were not in Parnell Park. Surley if they were serious about playing hurling they should have made themselves available , sat on bench and if needed com off the bench to help the team.
So it it a case that The football management would not let them travel with the hurlers ???????????????
That is the 6 million dollar question that needs to be answered, If the football management said no, well then the players made their choice to not turn up for the hurlers. You would not have to be a genius to figure what the football management said to the two lads !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets turn out attention to the leinster Championship, Three great games in the next month or so. I think Ennis can get the team into the quarter final, what do you guys think ????
My Predictions , Beat Kerry by 2/3 points, Laois Draw and Beat Westmeath by 3 !!!!!
Do any of you know if the hurlers have any challenge matches this week ????" As far as I know they have a challenge against London tomorrow but not sure where....maybe dunganny.
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I do not know precise details of what is going on with the football management so I don't know what commitment Toher and Burke would have been allowed to give to the hurlers and still be allowed stay on the football panel.
But allowing for this some of the comments on here are bad form (questioning Burkes hurling ability) and others not very practical (saying any player who won't choose hurling team over football team should not be considered for selection for the hurlers).
People disparaging Burkes hurling ability, as mentioned he has got picked many times for the hurling/ shinty Ireland team and watching these games on TV has looked good in these games. This alone shows he is one of Meath's better hurlers in recent years. Having seen him play club hurling he is actually a better hurler than a footballer.
Another side to this is had the 2 boys being able to play in the Leinster round robin possibly their hurling first touch may have suffered a bit by doing mainly football training but their strength and conditioning would have probably been better for having being part of Andy McEntee's football set up.
The reality is in a large area of south Meath a lot of club players play both football and hurling. When it comes to county teams almost all will pick playing for the footballers over the hurlers. If the hurlers can improve enough maybe this could sometime in the future change but for as long as I can remember (and as long as I'm aware of) this has been the case. Generally speaking if a suitable agreement could be made with the football management to let players play/ prepare with the hurlers at certain times it will be of benefit to the county hurlers.
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Replying To bdbuddah: "I do not know precise details of what is going on with the football management so I don't know what commitment Toher and Burke would have been allowed to give to the hurlers and still be allowed stay on the football panel.
But allowing for this some of the comments on here are bad form (questioning Burkes hurling ability) and others not very practical (saying any player who won't choose hurling team over football team should not be considered for selection for the hurlers).
People disparaging Burkes hurling ability, as mentioned he has got picked many times for the hurling/ shinty Ireland team and watching these games on TV has looked good in these games. This alone shows he is one of Meath's better hurlers in recent years. Having seen him play club hurling he is actually a better hurler than a footballer.
Another side to this is had the 2 boys being able to play in the Leinster round robin possibly their hurling first touch may have suffered a bit by doing mainly football training but their strength and conditioning would have probably been better for having being part of Andy McEntee's football set up.
The reality is in a large area of south Meath a lot of club players play both football and hurling. When it comes to county teams almost all will pick playing for the footballers over the hurlers. If the hurlers can improve enough maybe this could sometime in the future change but for as long as I can remember (and as long as I'm aware of) this has been the case. Generally speaking if a suitable agreement could be made with the football management to let players play/ prepare with the hurlers at certain times it will be of benefit to the county hurlers." Anybody at the challenge match v London yesterday ? Any details about the match?
I think now for all hurling supporters in the county the focus should be on the squad Ennis has to pick from for the LHC , Not on who is not available to him.
Lets face it no body from the far side of Kilberry,Kells,Navan,Kilmessan give a flying F..k about what the hurlers do, so its time the people of south Meath and the hurling clubs started supporting the hurling team. Get to the first round of the LHC in huge numbers to show that we actual give a dam about hurling in the county. It up to the hurling clubs to support the hurlers.
Wouldn't mind going to see the boys training over the next two weeks, anybody know what nights they train ? Dunganny I presume ?
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Replying To gardentree: "Anybody at the challenge match v London yesterday ? Any details about the match?
I think now for all hurling supporters in the county the focus should be on the squad Ennis has to pick from for the LHC , Not on who is not available to him.
Lets face it no body from the far side of Kilberry,Kells,Navan,Kilmessan give a flying F..k about what the hurlers do, so its time the people of south Meath and the hurling clubs started supporting the hurling team. Get to the first round of the LHC in huge numbers to show that we actual give a dam about hurling in the county. It up to the hurling clubs to support the hurlers.
Wouldn't mind going to see the boys training over the next two weeks, anybody know what nights they train ? Dunganny I presume ?" They were doing Tuesdays and Thursdays in Dunganny. Probably doing a few more nights at this stage.
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I think it's unfair to say the strength and conditioning is better on football squad all you have to do is look at the level of fitness the Hurlers have, they are superfit since last yr so obviously the training is every bit as good as the footballers. Anyway there's enough threads about football this is about the hurlers......yesterdays result was Meath 3.28 to London 5.16 . Meath gave subs a run as far as I know but changed it up at half time as they were down 7 points against the wind. Won by 6 in the end. London had a strong enough squad i heard.
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Replying To bdbuddah: "I do not know precise details of what is going on with the football management so I don't know what commitment Toher and Burke would have been allowed to give to the hurlers and still be allowed stay on the football panel.
But allowing for this some of the comments on here are bad form (questioning Burkes hurling ability) and others not very practical (saying any player who won't choose hurling team over football team should not be considered for selection for the hurlers).
People disparaging Burkes hurling ability, as mentioned he has got picked many times for the hurling/ shinty Ireland team and watching these games on TV has looked good in these games. This alone shows he is one of Meath's better hurlers in recent years. Having seen him play club hurling he is actually a better hurler than a footballer.
Another side to this is had the 2 boys being able to play in the Leinster round robin possibly their hurling first touch may have suffered a bit by doing mainly football training but their strength and conditioning would have probably been better for having being part of Andy McEntee's football set up.
The reality is in a large area of south Meath a lot of club players play both football and hurling. When it comes to county teams almost all will pick playing for the footballers over the hurlers. If the hurlers can improve enough maybe this could sometime in the future change but for as long as I can remember (and as long as I'm aware of) this has been the case. Generally speaking if a suitable agreement could be made with the football management to let players play/ prepare with the hurlers at certain times it will be of benefit to the county hurlers." So much wrong with this post.
You seem to be suggesting that MB should be allowed to play with the hurlers because he played a few good games of Shinty in the past and because in your view 'he's a better Hurler than a footballer' even though he's chosen to play football over Hurling?
And your last point that the Hurling management team should come to some sort of an arrangement with the Football management team to get them to release certain footballers 'to play/prepare with the Hurlers at certain times' and that this will somehow be of benefit to the county Hurlers?
Are these honestly the suggestions you're making or am I reading you wrong?
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Replying To billyjack24: "I think it's unfair to say the strength and conditioning is better on football squad all you have to do is look at the level of fitness the Hurlers have, they are superfit since last yr so obviously the training is every bit as good as the footballers. Anyway there's enough threads about football this is about the hurlers......yesterdays result was Meath 3.28 to London 5.16 . Meath gave subs a run as far as I know but changed it up at half time as they were down 7 points against the wind. Won by 6 in the end. London had a strong enough squad i heard." 3-28 is some score !!
Meath have great forwards and attacking players, some job picking the team for the Kerry Match
Was Gavin McGowan playing last Sunday ??
If yes how did he play ?
If is back fully fit he has to on the first 15,
Picking 6 forwards against Kerry from the list below will be some hard job, what 6 would you start and where ?
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Heffernan
James Kelly
Kevin Keena
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Replying To gardentree: "3-28 is some score !!
Meath have great forwards and attacking players, some job picking the team for the Kerry Match
Was Gavin McGowan playing last Sunday ??
If yes how did he play ?
If is back fully fit he has to on the first 15,
Picking 6 forwards against Kerry from the list below will be some hard job, what 6 would you start and where ?
Sullivan
Clynch
Young Farrell
Heffernan
James Kelly
Kevin Keena
Joe Keena
McGowan
McCabe
Gannon
Quigley
Martin
Young Cullen" Sullivan
Clynch
Heffernan
James Kelly
McGowan
Gannon. they are the 6 i would start.
i dont agree with dropping toher after service he gave hurlers for last 6 years. he is available for the whole leinster championship
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Gannon. they are the 6 i would start.
i dont agree with dropping toher after service he gave hurlers for last 6 years. he is available for the whole leinster championship" He made his own choice and choose football just because he has played for the last 6 yrs has no baring on it what so ever. He was asked was he available for the final and for training before it and he said he wasn't so that's that.
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Replying To overthehill72: "Sullivan
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James Kelly
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Gannon. they are the 6 i would start.
i dont agree with dropping toher after service he gave hurlers for last 6 years. he is available for the whole leinster championship" would agree with most of your choices bar Heffernan, think james kelly will play midfield with forde and they will open up defences galore, 6 forwards i would go with are 10 gannon 11 joey keena 12 kevin keena or Sean Quigley 13 O Sullivan 14 Clynch 15 McGowan
Kelly and Clynch were excellent against london in the second half last sunday,
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Kelly and Clynch were excellent against london in the second half last sunday," Ah Heffernan starts over kevin keena all day in my opinion. but he will be played in the full forward line so Keena could potentially play anyway
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