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Replying To anfearbeag:  "Can anyone tell me why Mickey Burke wasn't allowed to come on straight away once Carry got the black card? I have looked up the rule on black cards but can't see anything about it. Management had anticipated that a black card was coming, so Burke was ready to come on. He was half way across the pitch and the game hadn't restarted, but the ref sent him back. Galway then scored a point when we were down to 14 men. I think the same thing happened for our first black card. Galway scored while we had only 14 on the pitch, because the ref didn't allow our sub to come on. Is that right? Are you allowed bring on a player straight away, or do you have to wait until the game restarts, and then stops again, before you can bring on a replacement?"
ask deegan that question,really can't stand him.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 06/03/2017 08:15:17    1964323

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Replying To anfearbeag:  "Can anyone tell me why Mickey Burke wasn't allowed to come on straight away once Carry got the black card? I have looked up the rule on black cards but can't see anything about it. Management had anticipated that a black card was coming, so Burke was ready to come on. He was half way across the pitch and the game hadn't restarted, but the ref sent him back. Galway then scored a point when we were down to 14 men. I think the same thing happened for our first black card. Galway scored while we had only 14 on the pitch, because the ref didn't allow our sub to come on. Is that right? Are you allowed bring on a player straight away, or do you have to wait until the game restarts, and then stops again, before you can bring on a replacement?"
Unfortunately you do have to let play restart qnd the replacement then comes in at the next stop in play, with the exception of a goalkeeper who can be replaced immediately.

Anyone know what went on with the two cards at the very end? That was totally against the rules of what the card was brought in for. What was the actual offence on both sides? And there was also a strike by a Galway player who wasn't remanded at all. Bizarre referreing.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6344 - 06/03/2017 08:22:27    1964326

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Replying To anfearbeag:  "Can anyone tell me why Mickey Burke wasn't allowed to come on straight away once Carry got the black card? I have looked up the rule on black cards but can't see anything about it. Management had anticipated that a black card was coming, so Burke was ready to come on. He was half way across the pitch and the game hadn't restarted, but the ref sent him back. Galway then scored a point when we were down to 14 men. I think the same thing happened for our first black card. Galway scored while we had only 14 on the pitch, because the ref didn't allow our sub to come on. Is that right? Are you allowed bring on a player straight away, or do you have to wait until the game restarts, and then stops again, before you can bring on a replacement?"
You have to wait for the next break in play, only goalkeepers are allowed come on straight away from what I know.

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 06/03/2017 08:38:45    1964335

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Replying To anfearbeag:  "Can anyone tell me why Mickey Burke wasn't allowed to come on straight away once Carry got the black card? I have looked up the rule on black cards but can't see anything about it. Management had anticipated that a black card was coming, so Burke was ready to come on. He was half way across the pitch and the game hadn't restarted, but the ref sent him back. Galway then scored a point when we were down to 14 men. I think the same thing happened for our first black card. Galway scored while we had only 14 on the pitch, because the ref didn't allow our sub to come on. Is that right? Are you allowed bring on a player straight away, or do you have to wait until the game restarts, and then stops again, before you can bring on a replacement?"
I couldn't understand that either not sure what the rule there I cant recall it before. I was at maximum boiling point when Deegan was petty enough not to allow Burke on the pitch.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 06/03/2017 08:40:34    1964336

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Replying To Jinxie:  "Unfortunately you do have to let play restart qnd the replacement then comes in at the next stop in play, with the exception of a goalkeeper who can be replaced immediately.

Anyone know what went on with the two cards at the very end? That was totally against the rules of what the card was brought in for. What was the actual offence on both sides? And there was also a strike by a Galway player who wasn't remanded at all. Bizarre referreing."
from what i saw and told was, after cummins missed that shot at the end tobin went up fist pumping in is face winding him up and then the handbags started. from my understanding of the black card rule is that what tobin did is a black (dont know the exact wording but basically cant abuse any other player on the field) but not sure what cummins did to deserve one another poor decision by deegan yesterday

srgt_slaughter (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 06/03/2017 09:02:32    1964344

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Replying To nobull456:  "Improved performance as a team. Midfield a big problem. Menton not at the races at all,and Toher marginally better. Leave Flanagan there,and hope his match fitness improves... Kickout strategy has to vary,to take account of lack of fielders at midfield. Our lack of a plan to pick up breaking ball is surprising to say the least. Our inability to use open spaces in attacking play is equally surprising. Positives Harnan back. Tobin back. Lenihan starting to show he is one of our best forwards toghether with o Sullivan and Reilly. Workrate improved from ream overall. POR may have nailed down no 1 spot. Andy seems to have done some very good work in the last week....We have every chance against Cork. We will be complete underdogs of course !!!!!"
Nobull Meath have used 4 midfielders so far in the league and Menton is still the best of the 4. Management obviously think likewise considering he is the only one to complete all 4 games at midfield. Yesterday he had the edge on O Curraoin and put in a lot of tackles on Conroy also, who was on top against Toher. The midfielders are told to break the ball and it is up to the half backs and half forwards to win the breaking ball. I think Adam Flanagan could work well with Menton as he is capable of catching kick outs but he needs to improve his overall game.

subzero (Meath) - Posts: 69 - 06/03/2017 09:16:27    1964351

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Replying To srgt_slaughter:  "from what i saw and told was, after cummins missed that shot at the end tobin went up fist pumping in is face winding him up and then the handbags started. from my understanding of the black card rule is that what tobin did is a black (dont know the exact wording but basically cant abuse any other player on the field) but not sure what cummins did to deserve one another poor decision by deegan yesterday"
Well if that's the case, it sums up what's so wrong with the black card and with different refs using it in different ways.

Two down guys were at that last week and it went unpunished. If all refs pulled that, Tyrone wouldn't be able to finish a game. We seen lads from both teams do it in the all Ireland final in both games.
The rule states that a black card is for aggressive remonstration towards an official, or foul and abusive language towards an opponent or team mate. Tobins doesn't really fall under that, and if he is to be punished then a yellow is the order.
On top of that, the Galway guy should be getting a yellow aswell, not a black.

All of this adds to the annoyance around the black card as anyone who was at the O'Byrne Cup and kildare qnd Derry games will attest too, we were getting lads hacked down in scoring positions and no black cards being shown at all. It's such an infuriating inclusion to the game.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6344 - 06/03/2017 09:17:54    1964353

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Replying To srgt_slaughter:  "from what i saw and told was, after cummins missed that shot at the end tobin went up fist pumping in is face winding him up and then the handbags started. from my understanding of the black card rule is that what tobin did is a black (dont know the exact wording but basically cant abuse any other player on the field) but not sure what cummins did to deserve one another poor decision by deegan yesterday"
If that's the case he deserved his card and in fact it should be a straight red card for that, I hate that goading. On another note, I wish people would stop talking about promotion, we are simply not good enough, consolidating in Division 2 is really the limit of our ambitions.

AthboyCelt (Meath) - Posts: 147 - 06/03/2017 09:29:01    1964360

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Replying To Jinxie:  "Well if that's the case, it sums up what's so wrong with the black card and with different refs using it in different ways.

Two down guys were at that last week and it went unpunished. If all refs pulled that, Tyrone wouldn't be able to finish a game. We seen lads from both teams do it in the all Ireland final in both games.
The rule states that a black card is for aggressive remonstration towards an official, or foul and abusive language towards an opponent or team mate. Tobins doesn't really fall under that, and if he is to be punished then a yellow is the order.
On top of that, the Galway guy should be getting a yellow aswell, not a black.

All of this adds to the annoyance around the black card as anyone who was at the O'Byrne Cup and kildare qnd Derry games will attest too, we were getting lads hacked down in scoring positions and no black cards being shown at all. It's such an infuriating inclusion to the game."
It's infuriating. Carry (correctly) got a black for a pulldown in the middle of the field, yet the rules don't allow for a black card for the Galway defender that dragged back the Meath forward (can't remember who it was) when clean through on goal. The Galway defender didn't even get a yellow for that (yet Keogan got one for a perfect tackle not long afterwards).
Last weekend, a Down player deliberately foot tripped Biggie. Clear as day black card yet nothing was given.
I don't disagree with the black card per sé, but what's infuriating is the fact that massively cynical fouls are still not covered by the rule as well as the total inconsistency of the rule's application by referees.

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 06/03/2017 10:02:43    1964374

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Replying To Jinxie:  "Well if that's the case, it sums up what's so wrong with the black card and with different refs using it in different ways.

Two down guys were at that last week and it went unpunished. If all refs pulled that, Tyrone wouldn't be able to finish a game. We seen lads from both teams do it in the all Ireland final in both games.
The rule states that a black card is for aggressive remonstration towards an official, or foul and abusive language towards an opponent or team mate. Tobins doesn't really fall under that, and if he is to be punished then a yellow is the order.
On top of that, the Galway guy should be getting a yellow aswell, not a black.

All of this adds to the annoyance around the black card as anyone who was at the O'Byrne Cup and kildare qnd Derry games will attest too, we were getting lads hacked down in scoring positions and no black cards being shown at all. It's such an infuriating inclusion to the game."
Just on the Down game and lads went unpunished I agree. Right at the end of the game the Down basically jumped on the Meath players back and dragged him to the ground right in the middle of the pitch. Sorry I can t remember who its was it was in injury time. And the Down management team got ready a replacement for certain black card only for the ref to give him a mealiness yellow. Down seemed more shocked than us a black was not given.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 06/03/2017 10:14:44    1964385

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Replying To Ratoath Royal:  "It's infuriating. Carry (correctly) got a black for a pulldown in the middle of the field, yet the rules don't allow for a black card for the Galway defender that dragged back the Meath forward (can't remember who it was) when clean through on goal. The Galway defender didn't even get a yellow for that (yet Keogan got one for a perfect tackle not long afterwards).
Last weekend, a Down player deliberately foot tripped Biggie. Clear as day black card yet nothing was given.
I don't disagree with the black card per sé, but what's infuriating is the fact that massively cynical fouls are still not covered by the rule as well as the total inconsistency of the rule's application by referees."
You're on the button there.
That's what drives people mad, it's the definition of the foul that warrants the card that causes this.
To warrant a black card you have to drag a player to the ground.
So you have scenarios where a clumsy tackle in the middle of the field and both lads go to ground and so refs will dish one out. However, a few minutes later and a guy is bearing down on goal and someone intentionally kicks out and trips him. That's NOT a black card. Or if the drag the jersey back of the guy going through, but the attacker stays on his feet, it's also NOT a black card, and it's situations like that which get people so wound up at games.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6344 - 06/03/2017 10:22:12    1964393

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Replying To Barney123:  "You have to wait for the next break in play, only goalkeepers are allowed come on straight away from what I know."
I am not sure its that clear, below is the rules. Was there not a break in play when the was ref was given to black card to Carry ? I am sure I have seen players been allowed straight on before,

(v) A Substitution may only be made during a break
in play, after the player has given a substitution
note to the Referee, or in the case of a Inter-
County Senior game, to the Sideline Official.
This shall also apply to a Temporary Substitution
allowed under Rule 1.5 (b), Rules of Control -
Injuries: Blood.
A break in play shall be when the play is stopped
after a score or wide or for a free, sideline puck/
kick or when the Referee has stopped play for
medical attention to an injured player.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 06/03/2017 10:23:56    1964394

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Replying To AthboyCelt:  "If that's the case he deserved his card and in fact it should be a straight red card for that, I hate that goading. On another note, I wish people would stop talking about promotion, we are simply not good enough, consolidating in Division 2 is really the limit of our ambitions."
agree totally while promotion would be a good morale booster realisticly next year we would get at least 4 hidings. we're just not at that level..yet division 2 is very competitive as results have shown. we need to build on this. one thing i will say is that while the kildare and the down games were dissapointing the team did keep fighting until the end which hadnt been seen in a good while. still managed to score 16 points against kildare and nearly robbed a draw in newry. a bit of bottle is creeping back into the county

srgt_slaughter (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 06/03/2017 10:38:08    1964404

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It happened in the all ireland final where following g a black card a player came on straight away. In meath in depends on who the ref is whether you have to wait or not

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 06/03/2017 10:44:07    1964405

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Replying To anfearbeag:  "Can anyone tell me why Mickey Burke wasn't allowed to come on straight away once Carry got the black card? I have looked up the rule on black cards but can't see anything about it. Management had anticipated that a black card was coming, so Burke was ready to come on. He was half way across the pitch and the game hadn't restarted, but the ref sent him back. Galway then scored a point when we were down to 14 men. I think the same thing happened for our first black card. Galway scored while we had only 14 on the pitch, because the ref didn't allow our sub to come on. Is that right? Are you allowed bring on a player straight away, or do you have to wait until the game restarts, and then stops again, before you can bring on a replacement?"
I was sitting to the right of the dugout and the paperwork wasn't given to the sideline official or whatever he's called.

Also it's the next break in play when a player can come on.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 06/03/2017 11:34:01    1964444

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "I admire your optimism.....we haven't developed that level of consistency yet...I think we'll beat fermanagh at home and have a chance to beat clare but Cork away is not gonna happen unfortunetely....
The win against fermanagh should ensure division 2 football next year which is our lot at the moment"
Oh I'm not going to say it will happen at all, it's just laying the fixtures out min response to RD's question more so. This division, and in particular our own performances, have been too erratic to be any way certain about anything. The fact that we could still possibly be promoted after a hiding against Kildare and an awful performance against Down shows what an unpredictable mystery this Division is, having said that I don't think beating Cork is impossible as they too have some consistency issues and a bit more besides but we will need to focus on all positives of yesterday and enhance them again to win down there. I'm just glad we got the win yesterday and moved away from the bottom and showed some good old fashioned guts and determination in the process.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 06/03/2017 11:40:54    1964449

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "I admire your optimism.....we haven't developed that level of consistency yet...I think we'll beat fermanagh at home and have a chance to beat clare but Cork away is not gonna happen unfortunetely....
The win against fermanagh should ensure division 2 football next year which is our lot at the moment"
Oh I'm not going to say it will happen at all, it's just laying the fixtures out min response to RD's question more so. This division, and in particular our own performances, have been too erratic to be any way certain about anything. The fact that we could still possibly be promoted after a hiding against Kildare and an awful performance against Down shows what an unpredictable mystery this Division is, having said that I don't think beating Cork is impossible as they too have some consistency issues and a bit more besides but we will need to focus on all positives of yesterday and enhance them again to win down there. I'm just glad we got the win yesterday and moved away from the bottom and showed some good old fashioned guts and determination in the process.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 06/03/2017 11:58:42    1964468

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Replying To jackhackett:  "I was sitting to the right of the dugout and the paperwork wasn't given to the sideline official or whatever he's called.

Also it's the next break in play when a player can come on."
Ok that would make. But did Deegan know that ? Or did Deegan just make up his send Burke back of the pitch himself ? Did the fourth official alert the ref to the fact there no ticket given ?

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 06/03/2017 12:11:03    1964480

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Replying To Jinxie:  "Unfortunately you do have to let play restart qnd the replacement then comes in at the next stop in play, with the exception of a goalkeeper who can be replaced immediately.

Anyone know what went on with the two cards at the very end? That was totally against the rules of what the card was brought in for. What was the actual offence on both sides? And there was also a strike by a Galway player who wasn't remanded at all. Bizarre referreing."
did you see what happened lenihan after he and his marker got booked? deegan ignored that too.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 06/03/2017 13:11:04    1964532

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Replying To subzero:  "Nobull Meath have used 4 midfielders so far in the league and Menton is still the best of the 4. Management obviously think likewise considering he is the only one to complete all 4 games at midfield. Yesterday he had the edge on O Curraoin and put in a lot of tackles on Conroy also, who was on top against Toher. The midfielders are told to break the ball and it is up to the half backs and half forwards to win the breaking ball. I think Adam Flanagan could work well with Menton as he is capable of catching kick outs but he needs to improve his overall game."
good post 100% right.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 06/03/2017 13:12:20    1964533

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