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The O'Byrne Cup

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Replying To nobull456:  "Yes agree Andy has a massive task ahead.....Putting it bluntly he just does not have enough players of inter county standard available to him.... Hannigan looks promising . None of to day's full forwards up to the required standard. end of that story. We seem to not have a freetaker...surely Newman would be worth another shot if available? Midfield a major problem but hold on to Menton because he can be physically imposing, and he may still improve overall. I would give Flanagan every chance to prove himself after his injury. Keoghan....well he is just a gem! Ok it is still building time and far from the finished product. My ratings for to day Hannigan 8 McQuil 5 Keoghan 8 Curran 6 Lavin 5 Power 6 Forde 6 Menton 7 OBrien 6 o Coileann 6 Reilly 6 Wallace 7 Ross 4 Kennelly 4 Tobin 5 Maybe unfair to rate Reilly as he was clearly targeted for special attention, but i would not be a big fan because he goes AWOL when needed badly.........My QUESTION where is the new blood we so badly need to move forward ??? Players like Shane O Rourke where is he? He was ok to play for Leinster when selected . ANYONE KNOW??"
In a recent Indo article Andy Mc said SOR would not be able to commit to Meath. Level of training required would be too much for his damaged hips

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2144 - 22/01/2017 19:47:16    1947832

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Don't see the big hullabaloo over today , it was a experiment team for most part, O'Sullivan McMahon lenehan only coming on as subs in second half. If I had concerns they would be of midfield particularly O'Brien also Tobin just isn't going to work out, I'd also have worries regarding Wallace, now I'll give him a pass as he has missed some training with Andy. All in all the obc was a good success in trying out different players, can't wait til Kildare game and the start of a great league. One final thing the treatment and targettin of Graham today was disgraceful"
Yep I agree but if Louth beat us this time last year you'd have been up in arms like you were over Westmeath as good as the manager may or may not be he can't tog out we are what we are we have to realise this and stop expecting what this squad can't produce

runnerin (Meath) - Posts: 202 - 22/01/2017 20:23:10    1947855

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "He pushed a Louth player who fell to the ground.Hardly a red.."
Not sure but Forde could have been deeded the third man in which lead to melee from both sides, which from what I understand is straight red.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 22/01/2017 20:24:43    1947858

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Replying To pauk123:  "Very very worrying performance. I know it's only January but it was the first real competitive game and we were beaten out the gate. There's no sign of a developing style of play. Players looked unfit (no evidence of the much vaunted strength and conditioning coach). The substitutes were bizarre.

If MODs team had of put out a performance like that had the knives would be out. Very worried about the league now when Louth hammer us in Navan."
Knives outbafyer obc game, no, after loosing to Westmeath for first time in 130 years yes. Let's get into perspective that was a nothing game, and actually probably did more good to loose than win.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/01/2017 20:26:52    1947862

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "Not sure but Forde could have been deeded the third man in which lead to melee from both sides, which from what I understand is straight red."
A few players rushed in from both sides though,it wasn't one person as such.Tackle on Reilly that lead to the incident was very poor.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/01/2017 20:29:24    1947864

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Replying To RoyalClass:  "Also, that Meath team today didn't look like a unit at all. What type of playing system sees players like Keoghan and McGill resorting to going on solo runs from inside their own half? The build up play from the back was side ways and backwards instead of moving the ball quicker into spaces. The game then got bogged down in around the middle third where we tried to pass around Louth. It was frustratingly disjointed and slow."
You are 100% correct,but the movement and support play was very poor.Everyone seemed slow for whatever reason,we weren't like that in the previous games.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/01/2017 20:30:49    1947865

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "Not sure but Forde could have been deeded the third man in which lead to melee from both sides, which from what I understand is straight red."
He was the third man in and made some contact with the Louth guys head, so was a red.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2144 - 22/01/2017 20:31:20    1947867

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Replying To runnerin:  "Yep I agree but if Louth beat us this time last year you'd have been up in arms like you were over Westmeath as good as the manager may or may not be he can't tog out we are what we are we have to realise this and stop expecting what this squad can't produce"
Yi have seen a total different attitude to Andy's team than last year, jesus it's only January in first year, he has to be given time to succeed and he will, the team is there they were mismanaged for long time, it will take time to rectify this. But the early signs are good, this is not a continuation it's a total rebuild

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/01/2017 20:32:51    1947868

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "I wouldn't read anything into that. Its all about Kildare in 2 weeks. The squad are training very heavily. Losing today gives them the luxury of 2 weeks to prepare for Kildare. If we won and faced Dublin next Sunday the bodies would be very tired coming into the league opener.

Is that match home or away?"
Where they training on Saturday? They looked very heavy legged.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/01/2017 20:35:07    1947871

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Replying To grahamc9897:  "Very bad performance

I know its only the O'Byrne cup but still..
Very interesting what team will play v Kildare..

Not one good performance from meaths forwards today! Tobin was terrible!! Ross is not up to county football,
I do give Reilly the benefit of the doubt with cilles playing soon..Wallace OK until moved!! Kennelly struggled bigtime..wild attempts for points but has potential.

Other half forward from O'Mahoney's was poor but still Young and still new to county football.. but I do rate him

I like Menton at midfield and think he will only get better throughout the year! Not convinced who will play beside him yet.I said eamon Wallace before for his pace and ball carrying ability ! Don't need giants anymore in modern game !

Out of backs only Keoghan who is guaranteed starter! I like forde as a half back option despite his red card.No one else really stands out for a starting place

Regarding goal keeper still think O'Rourke is our best goalkeeper with the best of rest as option for sub keeper!"
Out of backs only Keoghan who is guaranteed starter! I like forde as a half back option despite his red card.No one else really stands out for a starting place
??? What about Connor Donwey he scored 2 points from play when he came on. Could have done with him from the start. But I guess he was looking at other players. I would very surprised if he doesn't start against Kildare. Actually I would shocked.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 22/01/2017 20:37:54    1947873

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Replying To waynoI:  "Saw Kildare today against us.

If that Kildare team turn up against Meath and put in that type of performance, then Meath wont have any problems overcoming them, Honest to god!"
Well done Wayno on your win today.Yes kildare finished poorly but it was only in the last few minutes that Dublin went ahead. It was Kildare's poor passing particularly in the second half that gave Dublin the chances that they took to win the game. Having said that it was very disappointing to lose to a third string Dublin team, who were very hungry in the second half with the Number 10 Hazley? outstanding. Conor McHugh and young Hudson were also excellent and all three have made their case for inclusion on the Dublin panel.
The fact that both Kildare and Meath lost today makes it difficult to predict who will win in two weeks time. The O'Byrne Cup will be well forgotten by both teams by then. The prospects of both teams in the league can only be judged or rather relatively so, after the Navan League clash.
Ps Wayno there was about 50/50 attendance at the game today.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 22/01/2017 20:39:57    1947874

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "Out of backs only Keoghan who is guaranteed starter! I like forde as a half back option despite his red card.No one else really stands out for a starting place
??? What about Connor Donwey he scored 2 points from play when he came on. Could have done with him from the start. But I guess he was looking at other players. I would very surprised if he doesn't start against Kildare. Actually I would shocked."
Fair point! He should be in with a shout of playing

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 22/01/2017 20:44:26    1947877

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"I just think it's something that has been happening to Kildare teams for quite a while. It's this thing of playing in fits and spurts. When they play with a positive edge, like we did in the first half, we do a lot of damage. But there's this sort of regular thing of going back into themselves, independent of the opposition". Cian O'Neill about his Kildare team today. Sad thing is if you replace the word Kildare with Meath and told me it was Andy I would believe you

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1458 - 22/01/2017 20:46:13    1947880

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Do we really wanna be playing Kildare two weekends in row if both teams won today. He used enough players now to pick his squad. Its only O Byrne cup, didn't do any favours for us last year when we won it.

Bugsy (Meath) - Posts: 58 - 22/01/2017 20:47:23    1947881

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Yi have seen a total different attitude to Andy's team than last year, jesus it's only January in first year, he has to be given time to succeed and he will, the team is there they were mismanaged for long time, it will take time to rectify this. But the early signs are good, this is not a continuation it's a total rebuild"
Fair enough but a bit of realism is needed don't be putting undue expectations on the squad and management we are a long way off the top teams

runnerin (Meath) - Posts: 202 - 22/01/2017 20:49:58    1947883

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "Well done Wayno on your win today.Yes kildare finished poorly but it was only in the last few minutes that Dublin went ahead. It was Kildare's poor passing particularly in the second half that gave Dublin the chances that they took to win the game. Having said that it was very disappointing to lose to a third string Dublin team, who were very hungry in the second half with the Number 10 Hazley? outstanding. Conor McHugh and young Hudson were also excellent and all three have made their case for inclusion on the Dublin panel.
The fact that both Kildare and Meath lost today makes it difficult to predict who will win in two weeks time. The O'Byrne Cup will be well forgotten by both teams by then. The prospects of both teams in the league can only be judged or rather relatively so, after the Navan League clash.
Ps Wayno there was about 50/50 attendance at the game today."
I'd agree with that. Meath were very flat on feet today. And while it wasn't the case , they never looked like a team bursting a gut to win, I would think two weeks training will bring on both Meath and Kildare, no intensity today . I guess it was all about objectives and I feel we had already reached all ours in this comp.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/01/2017 20:53:45    1947884

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "Well done Wayno on your win today.Yes kildare finished poorly but it was only in the last few minutes that Dublin went ahead. It was Kildare's poor passing particularly in the second half that gave Dublin the chances that they took to win the game. Having said that it was very disappointing to lose to a third string Dublin team, who were very hungry in the second half with the Number 10 Hazley? outstanding. Conor McHugh and young Hudson were also excellent and all three have made their case for inclusion on the Dublin panel.
The fact that both Kildare and Meath lost today makes it difficult to predict who will win in two weeks time. The O'Byrne Cup will be well forgotten by both teams by then. The prospects of both teams in the league can only be judged or rather relatively so, after the Navan League clash.
Ps Wayno there was about 50/50 attendance at the game today."
The game between Meath and Kildare is very important for both, as a loss puts either under serious pressure. No real idea where Meath are at, but expect a very tight game from Kildare

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2144 - 22/01/2017 20:54:32    1947885

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Replying To runnerin:  "Fair enough but a bit of realism is needed don't be putting undue expectations on the squad and management we are a long way off the top teams"
Agreed, Andy is aiming for promotion, I am with him on that,, and I believe in him that we will so our very best, if it's not to be it's not to be, it won't change my mind that we have best man for job, we won't become all ire contenders in a year or two, but I would like to think In 5 years we would be

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/01/2017 21:09:09    1947891

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Replying To Bugsy:  "Do we really wanna be playing Kildare two weekends in row if both teams won today. He used enough players now to pick his squad. Its only O Byrne cup, didn't do any favours for us last year when we won it."
I said same before match .

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/01/2017 21:14:36    1947892

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Apologies if I am misspelling or double posting, dropped phone in navan today and shattered screen, threw sim into kids old phone, and I can't get use to it all.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/01/2017 21:22:49    1947899

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