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Great to hear Donal Lenihan played well Wednesday night. For me he flattered to deceive last year. Last year he looked fit pacey but had no real end product maybe lacking in confidence. Maybe Andy had a few quiet words with him. Or as some suggested used him a part a 2 man forward line for period.Maybe played a game that suited him. What ever happened great to see he starting Saturday and hopefully he good from can continue. To me he has all the makings of good forward. God know we need all we can get. There is a few others around that could do with the confidence bust Eammon Wallace, Mickey Newman might be other. Hopefully some sleeping giants can be awoken over the coming weeks and months ahead. Aswell bending in new players. It might nice to win Saturday night. Get to semi after I dont really rather start to focusing on the league rather than final. bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 13/01/2017 15:19:49 1945477 Link
Replying To Barney123: "How did you come to the conclusion I was questioning Andy? Of course I'm not. Why does a captain have to play every game, I can think of plenty of examples in sport where the captain is a not a regular starter. But it is good to see you sticking up for your clubman, not too many other posters rate him as highly as you do. He has the potential to be one of our key players but for some reason hasn't done it yet. Hopefully Andy gets the best out of him and this is a great year for him." Again ill ask , who is the other player who will get or contribute directly to 45% of our scores in a year? These are statistical facts. No one has answered who that player might be.. Now maybe O'Sullivan. Now ill again state what we need is more scoring forwards or those that will be fouled for a easy free. Graham and cillian are the only two from last year who offer that. Hopefully they will be joined by 4 others this year, cant have anymore passengers, I think that is why we haven't seen some lads from last year yet. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/01/2017 16:44:31 1945498 Link
Replying To grahamc9897: "Rubbish a master stroke would be to beat Dublin in Leinster or a successful year! No point in calling anything a master stroke after beaten 2 rubbish teams in the obyrne cup! If that's a masterstroke I give up!" Ahh will ya give away out of that. And btw Andy still has time to do that, (beat the dubs). Cop on, we have the 3 best Gk in county give over about club Gk not getting a chance . And what if Joe is actually better than what the other clubs have to offer? Should he be overlooked to give them a chance. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/01/2017 16:47:15 1945499 Link
Replying To bobkarlgees: "Great to hear Donal Lenihan played well Wednesday night. For me he flattered to deceive last year. Last year he looked fit pacey but had no real end product maybe lacking in confidence. Maybe Andy had a few quiet words with him. Or as some suggested used him a part a 2 man forward line for period.Maybe played a game that suited him. What ever happened great to see he starting Saturday and hopefully he good from can continue. To me he has all the makings of good forward. God know we need all we can get. There is a few others around that could do with the confidence bust Eammon Wallace, Mickey Newman might be other. Hopefully some sleeping giants can be awoken over the coming weeks and months ahead. Aswell bending in new players. It might nice to win Saturday night. Get to semi after I dont really rather start to focusing on the league rather than final." I agree with that, everything is on the table with new management, and the players seem to be responding, now its very early days, I actually dont care I we don't win on Saturday, its all about building for the year and indeed years ahead, there is alot of things to put right. We have started that process, there will be ups and downs along the way.. But the important thing is we on the right road. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/01/2017 16:50:15 1945503 Link
Where is Cathal Finn ftom Dunboyne ? Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 13/01/2017 17:10:59 1945507 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Again ill ask , who is the other player who will get or contribute directly to 45% of our scores in a year? These are statistical facts. No one has answered who that player might be.. Now maybe O'Sullivan. Now ill again state what we need is more scoring forwards or those that will be fouled for a easy free. Graham and cillian are the only two from last year who offer that. Hopefully they will be joined by 4 others this year, cant have anymore passengers, I think that is why we haven't seen some lads from last year yet." There are quite a few players who could score 45% of a team's scores if like Reilly, they never looked up and passed. Listen, I rate Reilly (I'd have him midfield) but him scoring 45% of a Meath's scores (I presume you are accurate with this) was more a reflection of (a) how haphazard our attacking strategy has been in recent years and (b) the players MOD picked in attack who were clearly not intercounty standard. The tactic seemed to be give it to Reilly and he'll put the head down and pop it over (provided its at the perfect angle for his right instep). This worked against likes of Wicklow, it was found out against any decent team. We never worked a way of getting the most out of the likes of Lenihan and Newman for example in the full forward line in recent years and the service into them has been shocking. Give those two lads the right ball and they will run riot against all but the best. Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1318 - 13/01/2017 17:39:40 1945511 Link
Replying To Analyst: "Where is Cathal Finn ftom Dunboyne ?" afaik Cathal is injured. oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 13/01/2017 18:11:44 1945514 Link
Replying To Crinigan: "There are quite a few players who could score 45% of a team's scores if like Reilly, they never looked up and passed. Listen, I rate Reilly (I'd have him midfield) but him scoring 45% of a Meath's scores (I presume you are accurate with this) was more a reflection of (a) how haphazard our attacking strategy has been in recent years and (b) the players MOD picked in attack who were clearly not intercounty standard. The tactic seemed to be give it to Reilly and he'll put the head down and pop it over (provided its at the perfect angle for his right instep). This worked against likes of Wicklow, it was found out against any decent team. We never worked a way of getting the most out of the likes of Lenihan and Newman for example in the full forward line in recent years and the service into them has been shocking. Give those two lads the right ball and they will run riot against all but the best." Hey I agree we need others to step up to mark. But less of the against Wicklow nonsense, he did same against both dubs and Louth last year. The statistics are all correct btw. O'Sullivan seems like another player who cam score. . I said it before and ill say it again, no matter how much a player runs, a ff not scoring in numerous games is not on. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/01/2017 18:15:59 1945515 Link
Replying To grahamc9897: "Would you stop of course a captain can be dropped !! On current form he shouldn't be !! Biggy is very hot and cold albeit a fine footballer on his day but no where near the level of geraghty or Giles in there pomp!!" Highly unlikely a captain would be dropped to be honest unless he has a hellish run of form. Think Andy Mac is playing Reilly well, giving him more responsibility will hopefully see him become a better team player as he has to lead by example now. A good manager can iron out the creases in players. I suspect Andy will do that with a fair few. As for the point about Giles and Geraghty, I don't disagree but those guys were not just brilliant players, they are Meath legends, so it's a bit of an unfair comparison. GlasgowRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 293 - 13/01/2017 18:23:23 1945516 Link
I have seen a few things written about the midfield... Menton,O'Brien and Power have great workrate,and they are mobile.They can get up and down the field cover and shield the defence.With the new mark rule introduced we are actually going to see less fielding around the middle.So the role of the midfielder will change.Most marks will be made out on the wing,with fellas running onto the kickouts.Movement,agility,mobility,covering is gonna to be the most important aspects of the midfielder.I said Menton would be played midfield under Andy and so far he has picked him there.These are thr type of midfielders Andy will go for.Having a good fielder in midfield will be fairly redundant,especially if that is all they are good at. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 13/01/2017 18:33:28 1945519 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "I agree with that, everything is on the table with new management, and the players seem to be responding, now its very early days, I actually dont care I we don't win on Saturday, its all about building for the year and indeed years ahead, there is alot of things to put right. We have started that process, there will be ups and downs along the way.. But the important thing is we on the right road." It might be nice to get a win Saturday, then maybe other Meath players playing with colleges might available for the semi final if there teams happen to get knocked out. To get everyone playing together once before the league starts. bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 13/01/2017 19:14:25 1945523 Link
Replying To bobkarlgees: "It might be nice to get a win Saturday, then maybe other Meath players playing with colleges might available for the semi final if there teams happen to get knocked out. To get everyone playing together once before the league starts." That's a fair point, and I admit I hadn't thought about the college lads, it would be good to see how they fit in. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/01/2017 19:21:11 1945526 Link
Replying To GlasgowRoyal: "Highly unlikely a captain would be dropped to be honest unless he has a hellish run of form. Think Andy Mac is playing Reilly well, giving him more responsibility will hopefully see him become a better team player as he has to lead by example now. A good manager can iron out the creases in players. I suspect Andy will do that with a fair few. As for the point about Giles and Geraghty, I don't disagree but those guys were not just brilliant players, they are Meath legends, so it's a bit of an unfair comparison." Yeah you cant compare to the likes of giles and geraghty. They were a phenomenon royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/01/2017 19:24:22 1945527 Link
Although the weather (rain & wind) would have been a factor, you could see it in the last two games that most kickouts down the middle to centrefield positions were been knocked down not fielded. So winning the breaking ball was key to gaining possession. On the other hand if you can find a player wide on the wing, they are more likely to field ball and retain possession (with fewer players contesting same) and winning a mark (should they choose to utilise it). As an aside, why is the game in Stradbally rather than Portlaoise? Is it just about a few county games going on tour! GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 13/01/2017 19:25:06 1945528 Link
Replying To GlasagusOr: "Although the weather (rain & wind) would have been a factor, you could see it in the last two games that most kickouts down the middle to centrefield positions were been knocked down not fielded. So winning the breaking ball was key to gaining possession. On the other hand if you can find a player wide on the wing, they are more likely to field ball and retain possession (with fewer players contesting same) and winning a mark (should they choose to utilise it). As an aside, why is the game in Stradbally rather than Portlaoise? Is it just about a few county games going on tour!" Also why 7pm? oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 13/01/2017 19:43:29 1945530 Link
Replying To oldsam_newsam: "Also why 7pm?" Stradbally are using it as the official turning on of their new floodlights. jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 13/01/2017 20:03:24 1945533 Link
Replying To GlasagusOr: "Although the weather (rain & wind) would have been a factor, you could see it in the last two games that most kickouts down the middle to centrefield positions were been knocked down not fielded. So winning the breaking ball was key to gaining possession. On the other hand if you can find a player wide on the wing, they are more likely to field ball and retain possession (with fewer players contesting same) and winning a mark (should they choose to utilise it). As an aside, why is the game in Stradbally rather than Portlaoise? Is it just about a few county games going on tour!" Yeah and from what I've heard the grounds are a kip, parking supposed to be dire, royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/01/2017 20:06:20 1945535 Link
We didn't have a de facto target man last year. Without a good target man we are rudderless. Andy is looking to address this. bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1790 - 13/01/2017 20:48:49 1945549 Link
Waders and wellies so. GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 13/01/2017 20:59:14 1945551 Link
Where is Mickey Newman this year? Injured? LoyalRoyal (None) - Posts: 452 - 13/01/2017 22:40:24 1945576 Link