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Replying To Maestro:  "So by what you are saying you expect St Colmcilles to be at the business end of the championship next considering how poor the Meath Senior Championship is"
Yes, pretty close, they will be more competitive than rathoath were this year.
However its not the Meath clubs fault, its the fact you can get beat in 2/3 games and still win championship, the system has done untold damage to Meath senior clubs, our intermediate standard is par with any other county as is junior. The problem is with senior, you can get stuck in a rut I think this is very evident when Meath clubs at senior level go out in Leinster. What's it now? 4/5 years since our co champions actually won one game in Leinster. The structure is killing the senior club in Meath, and I fear it will do the same to cilles.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/11/2016 08:50:46    1936607

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Replying To numberedjerseys:  "Rosemount good team was a strong senior club years ago and are playing Junior and Intermediate last number of years. Rural area and word is that they keep themselves to themselves pretty parochial or clannish might be apt. Colmcilles in the past may not have had this trait but I think this team has something more than over past 10/15 years. Ben Brennan back is a good plus and the two week break will have helps the few niggles. Colmcilles dont do stuff easy but with edge it by a couple"
Yeah Rosemount are very clanish,

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/11/2016 09:36:13    1936616

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Maybe a bit of mind games, but I would hazard a guess that the likes of st lomans, garycaatle , and maybe even shamrocks would win the Meath senior championship without much hassle. Actually the likes of the downs, tyrrellspass, moate etc would compete well with omahonys simonstown na fianna tones etc. Does that mean a higher standard? No not with individual players but with the club structures, also club football comes first I wm, the county is a after thought.
I am very wary of Rosemount they are a decent outfit and will do well in senior next year, you wont see any of the antics of dunderry , they will go man to man, they firmly believe they better than cilles, and my neighbours ain't saying this to wind me up, they are a damn decent outfit, I actually think they would be very highly rated in meath. It'll be tough, cillea will need to be on our best performance, focused, and clinical when we get chances, cause Rosemount will be. I am really looking forward to this but I'm nervous also."
Your knowledge of Westmeath senior club football is severly limited I'm afraid RoyalDunne. St Loman's and Tyrrellspass are by far the two best senior clubs in the county and would as you say do very well in the Meath SFC. However, some of your other points are laughable - Garrycastle are in a serious transitional period and Shamrocks are not the team of a few years ago. Moate are an average intermediate club at best and The Downs are a decent senior club without ever setting the championship alight.
I fully expect Rosemount to run Colmcilles very close if not beat them. They have some excellent players and a very astute manager in Gerry Hickey from Rhode. It should be a cracking game.

RoylerKing (Meath) - Posts: 809 - 25/11/2016 10:06:42    1936626

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Yes, pretty close, they will be more competitive than rathoath were this year.
However its not the Meath clubs fault, its the fact you can get beat in 2/3 games and still win championship, the system has done untold damage to Meath senior clubs, our intermediate standard is par with any other county as is junior. The problem is with senior, you can get stuck in a rut I think this is very evident when Meath clubs at senior level go out in Leinster. What's it now? 4/5 years since our co champions actually won one game in Leinster. The structure is killing the senior club in Meath, and I fear it will do the same to cilles."
Ratoath were competitive though.They had one bad result against Dunboyne.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/11/2016 11:05:04    1936643

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Yeah Rosemount are very clanish,"
same goes for all clubs in my opinion

AthboyCelt (Meath) - Posts: 147 - 25/11/2016 12:01:22    1936654

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Replying To RoylerKing:  "Your knowledge of Westmeath senior club football is severly limited I'm afraid RoyalDunne. St Loman's and Tyrrellspass are by far the two best senior clubs in the county and would as you say do very well in the Meath SFC. However, some of your other points are laughable - Garrycastle are in a serious transitional period and Shamrocks are not the team of a few years ago. Moate are an average intermediate club at best and The Downs are a decent senior club without ever setting the championship alight.
I fully expect Rosemount to run Colmcilles very close if not beat them. They have some excellent players and a very astute manager in Gerry Hickey from Rhode. It should be a cracking game."
Well managing football in Westmeath for a number of years, I can tell you all of the clubs I mentions, while may be in traditional stages or top class, would all do well in Meath club football, I see them week in week out, the downs as you say are a mid table team in Westmeath yet would probably win Meath senior.
Just to be quite clear. My knowledge on wm club football is very good, btw garycastle are still a decent team despite the dolans aging

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/11/2016 12:04:07    1936655

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Replying To RoylerKing:  "Your knowledge of Westmeath senior club football is severly limited I'm afraid RoyalDunne. St Loman's and Tyrrellspass are by far the two best senior clubs in the county and would as you say do very well in the Meath SFC. However, some of your other points are laughable - Garrycastle are in a serious transitional period and Shamrocks are not the team of a few years ago. Moate are an average intermediate club at best and The Downs are a decent senior club without ever setting the championship alight.
I fully expect Rosemount to run Colmcilles very close if not beat them. They have some excellent players and a very astute manager in Gerry Hickey from Rhode. It should be a cracking game."
You seem to agree with me, then make the very point I was making. As I say I want nothing more than my second club to win. Especially against Rosemount.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/11/2016 12:06:20    1936656

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The very best of luck to St. Colmcilles and Ratoath this weekend. May both have further action to look forward to on Monday morning.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 25/11/2016 12:19:25    1936660

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Yes, pretty close, they will be more competitive than rathoath were this year.
However its not the Meath clubs fault, its the fact you can get beat in 2/3 games and still win championship, the system has done untold damage to Meath senior clubs, our intermediate standard is par with any other county as is junior. The problem is with senior, you can get stuck in a rut I think this is very evident when Meath clubs at senior level go out in Leinster. What's it now? 4/5 years since our co champions actually won one game in Leinster. The structure is killing the senior club in Meath, and I fear it will do the same to cilles."
It depends a lot on what type of group they get. If they get a group as tough as Ratoath had, I would expect them to be in a similar position. They weren't too competitive in division 1 the league

Maestro (Meath) - Posts: 569 - 25/11/2016 12:58:03    1936667

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Regarding the Westmeath/Meath club comparison, I don't know where people are coming up with the fact that mid table Westmeath clubs would win the Meath SFC easily. Didn't Athlone (who Ratoath beat more easily than the 4 points suggested in last years Leinster final) make the Westmeath semis this year?

Best of luck to Cilles. We're hoping to end Rosenallis' Leinster Junior double aspirations tomorrow.

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 25/11/2016 13:10:07    1936671

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Replying To Ratoath Royal:  "Regarding the Westmeath/Meath club comparison, I don't know where people are coming up with the fact that mid table Westmeath clubs would win the Meath SFC easily. Didn't Athlone (who Ratoath beat more easily than the 4 points suggested in last years Leinster final) make the Westmeath semis this year?

Best of luck to Cilles. We're hoping to end Rosenallis' Leinster Junior double aspirations tomorrow."
That was more to do with luck of the draw. Again I cant see any Meath club beating st lomans, tyrrelapass, garycastle the downs or even shamrocks. The last 3 would be competitive the first 2 are way out in front. People seem to be taking offense to what I say. However the likes of killoe last year easily dismissing Mahonys who then get annihilated by port laoise proves my point. I want nothing more than Meath clubs to be successful but unto the senior championship is completely restructured I cant see it happening.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/11/2016 13:23:28    1936674

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You obviously know more about Westmeath club football but judging by your posts you know very little about club football inside the county and pretty less about senior football. Again as someone else said, Ratoath who got to the All-Intermediate final (having beaten many teams on the way) did little when the attained senior ranks. Ratoath have a young squad and will improve by being in senior. The very best of luck to all competing in the Leinster championship.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 25/11/2016 14:14:31    1936691

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Replying To browncows:  "You obviously know more about Westmeath club football but judging by your posts you know very little about club football inside the county and pretty less about senior football. Again as someone else said, Ratoath who got to the All-Intermediate final (having beaten many teams on the way) did little when the attained senior ranks. Ratoath have a young squad and will improve by being in senior. The very best of luck to all competing in the Leinster championship."
Why do people think Ratoath didn't compete in the Senior ranks this year?

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/11/2016 18:42:42    1936741

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Replying To royaldunne:  "That was more to do with luck of the draw. Again I cant see any Meath club beating st lomans, tyrrelapass, garycastle the downs or even shamrocks. The last 3 would be competitive the first 2 are way out in front. People seem to be taking offense to what I say. However the likes of killoe last year easily dismissing Mahonys who then get annihilated by port laoise proves my point. I want nothing more than Meath clubs to be successful but unto the senior championship is completely restructured I cant see it happening."
Again...

When was the last time a Westmeath club team beat a Meath team?

As early as last year Ratoath beat Athlone..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/11/2016 18:43:36    1936742

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Replying To royaldunne:  "That was more to do with luck of the draw. Again I cant see any Meath club beating st lomans, tyrrelapass, garycastle the downs or even shamrocks. The last 3 would be competitive the first 2 are way out in front. People seem to be taking offense to what I say. However the likes of killoe last year easily dismissing Mahonys who then get annihilated by port laoise proves my point. I want nothing more than Meath clubs to be successful but unto the senior championship is completely restructured I cant see it happening."
And who was it that knocked out the Westmeath champions this year? Your arguments aren't really standing up very well...

Maestro (Meath) - Posts: 569 - 25/11/2016 19:36:18    1936747

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Replying To Maestro:  "And who was it that knocked out the Westmeath champions this year? Your arguments aren't really standing up very well..."
So the consensus is that the Meath senior championship is in fine fettle??? .
This is the point in making. And btw lomans would have beaten anything in Meath this year. And trust me that's very hard to say for me. As I would have more time for something I trod on in the street than lomans , I would gladly cheer on the winners of mosul against lomans

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/11/2016 19:59:50    1936754

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "Again...

When was the last time a Westmeath club team beat a Meath team?

As early as last year Ratoath beat Athlone.."
When was the last time a senior club team met one? I know a few years back ballinabrackey beat miltownpass in junior final, great day, I was at it.
But perhaps you didn't read my earlier post xiggy so ill repeat myself, I said intermediate and junio football in Meath is on a par with ANY COUNTY , its the senior that's the problem, so to back up your point about rathoath last year (intermediate) . You have often said and so have many others that our senior championship is a farce, this is the point I am making, and using Westmeath SENIOR teams as a example. And believe me I will be in pt in all my glory for my blues . But it wont improve the standard of our senior championship, which is in dire need of a revamp. If you have changed your mind on that I didn't know, but I haven't.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/11/2016 20:07:52    1936755

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Anyway on to real issues of the day.
Up early couldn't sleep. Best of luck to cilles today, I want, no sorry I need to be able to throw back something after enduring what I have since that dark day in croke park a couple of years ago . I have full faith in leblue.
Come on.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/11/2016 07:26:08    1936787

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Replying To royaldunne:  "When was the last time a senior club team met one? I know a few years back ballinabrackey beat miltownpass in junior final, great day, I was at it.
But perhaps you didn't read my earlier post xiggy so ill repeat myself, I said intermediate and junio football in Meath is on a par with ANY COUNTY , its the senior that's the problem, so to back up your point about rathoath last year (intermediate) . You have often said and so have many others that our senior championship is a farce, this is the point I am making, and using Westmeath SENIOR teams as a example. And believe me I will be in pt in all my glory for my blues . But it wont improve the standard of our senior championship, which is in dire need of a revamp. If you have changed your mind on that I didn't know, but I haven't."
I agree I think our structures are wrong and every player nevermind fan knows that. But you seem to think that about 6 teams from Westmeath would have no problem winning the Meath champ.I honestly doubt that.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 26/11/2016 08:27:52    1936789

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "I agree I think our structures are wrong and every player nevermind fan knows that. But you seem to think that about 6 teams from Westmeath would have no problem winning the Meath champ.I honestly doubt that."
The structures aren't that bad.

The group stage is a little bit long but still from the quarter-finals on it is do or die. The same as any other championship.

The group stage does mean that the best teams are more likely to make the quarterfinals, so there's less chance of getting handy quarterfinals or semifinals.

The system of 1 up 1 down isn't great though. Too many teams just hanging on to their senior status.

Meath teams just aren't quite good enough at Leinster level. It's not the formats fault.

There's an arrogance in Meath regarding your standing as a strong football county. It's becoming less justified as the year's go on.

You have to stop blaming things like club championship formats and get back to the real problem. You aren't producing the players that you once were and as a result your teams aren't good enough.

I'm not really familiar with the juvenile structures but I believe there have been changes to it in recent years. Hopefully that'll see you on the path to improvement. These things don't get reversed overnight though and they don't get fixed by ignoring the real problems.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 26/11/2016 13:47:40    1936818

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