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Joe Sheridan

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I do know what you are saying,
But lets look at it this way for a minute, picture last year against Westmeath they coming hammer and thong's at us we up by a point or two, and the announcer says number 17/18/26 is replacing an other, Joe Sheridan, Cian Ward, can you imagine the cheer the Meath support would give? But as I was it happened to be joey Wallace, (absolutely no disrespect to the lad , but hardly as much as a physiological boost as the other two? Same this year with Dalton McDonagh,. I actually did disagree with both been dropped along with byrne, and Farrell as I still thought they all had something to offer,FROM THE BENCH, not as starters as important impact subs, I last year advocated using bray as one and people started slating me saying I wanted to drop him, nothing could be further from the truth, what I wanted was to keep him another year or two, been sprung from bench with 30/25 to go would have done that, unfortunately we no longer have the players to get the crowds going this year, the only excited cheers came for Burke mostly when he went up field, keoghan if he dispossessed a player, Reilly for one of his runs or O'Sullivan. The rest lack any of the spark to ignite the atmosphere and in turn lift the team."
I think he was dead right to drop them at the time, could they have offered something from a playing pov? Probably in the short term but while we may have beaten w/meath we were heading nowhere with them. At the time everyone wanted to see Meath adapt to the modern game (something I feel we are doing now) and Joe, Cian and Ward didn't adapt, fantastic footballers but not what we needed going forward. As a county I think we would be two years behind our current standing if we kept with them.

It's hard to win with the punters, fickle doesn't begin to describe the Meath ones though.

shldrs2thewheel (Meath) - Posts: 200 - 14/07/2016 16:25:25    1883303

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I think he was dead right to drop them at the time, could they have offered something from a playing pov? Probably in the short term but while we may have beaten w/meath we were heading nowhere with them. At the time everyone wanted to see Meath adapt to the modern game (something I feel we are doing now) and Joe, Cian and Ward didn't adapt, fantastic footballers but not what we needed going forward. As a county I think we would be two years behind our current standing if we kept with them.

It's hard to win with the punters, fickle doesn't begin to describe the Meath ones though.

shldrs2thewheel (Meath) - Posts: 200 - 14/07/2016 16:46:49    1883318

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I think Mod was right to drop one or two of the lads..But Cian Ward was dropped and when he went back to his club he improved again ,their is also a right to drop a player but also a right to bring a lad back into a squad when he improves and finds a bit of form !

Just for the record i wouldn't have dropped Joe Sherdian ..yes he have look lost at the Tyrone game in 2013..but name me one player who hasn't look lost since then for leadership ? He dropped a lot of the old guard more or less after that game ..did things improve ?

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 14/07/2016 17:40:44    1883366

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At the time of the high profiled players being cut, MOD cut leaders to bring in a younger generation. This young generation should of been introduced through the Meath Junior team if it was organised right with the proper structures in place. In any team no matter what level. You need the right mix of youth and experience and in my opinion MOD did not account for that which was a huge Flaw in his management saga with Meath. Hopefully we will thank him down the line when some of these young players develop into class acts but only time will tell.

rightthere (Meath) - Posts: 128 - 14/07/2016 17:45:15    1883371

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Replying To shldrs2thewheel:  "I think he was dead right to drop them at the time, could they have offered something from a playing pov? Probably in the short term but while we may have beaten w/meath we were heading nowhere with them. At the time everyone wanted to see Meath adapt to the modern game (something I feel we are doing now) and Joe, Cian and Ward didn't adapt, fantastic footballers but not what we needed going forward. As a county I think we would be two years behind our current standing if we kept with them.

It's hard to win with the punters, fickle doesn't begin to describe the Meath ones though."
Do you honestly think we are 2 years ahead?? Really cause you are the first person to say that, vast majority myself included feel that we have regressed massively under mod, if anything we have fallen further behind the chasing group, with light players who offer very little, we have adapted at all to the modern game.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/07/2016 17:51:19    1883376

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Replying To rightthere:  "At the time of the high profiled players being cut, MOD cut leaders to bring in a younger generation. This young generation should of been introduced through the Meath Junior team if it was organised right with the proper structures in place. In any team no matter what level. You need the right mix of youth and experience and in my opinion MOD did not account for that which was a huge Flaw in his management saga with Meath. Hopefully we will thank him down the line when some of these young players develop into class acts but only time will tell."
Couldn't agree more,

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/07/2016 17:58:00    1883380

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Replying To WhyTheLongFace:  "I think Mod was right to drop one or two of the lads..But Cian Ward was dropped and when he went back to his club he improved again ,their is also a right to drop a player but also a right to bring a lad back into a squad when he improves and finds a bit of form !

Just for the record i wouldn't have dropped Joe Sherdian ..yes he have look lost at the Tyrone game in 2013..but name me one player who hasn't look lost since then for leadership ? He dropped a lot of the old guard more or less after that game ..did things improve ?"
Actually that was probably the last time we competed with a so called top team. It all went downhill afterwards.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/07/2016 18:00:15    1883382

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Do you honestly think we are 2 years ahead?? Really cause you are the first person to say that, vast majority myself included feel that we have regressed massively under mod, if anything we have fallen further behind the chasing group, with light players who offer very little, we have adapted at all to the modern game."
I totally agree with shoulders still 2nd best in Leinster which is not something I am crowing about or indeed is something to crow about but is true.
I remember the shambles before mick came in relegated to division 3 and the debacle in tullamore with banty taking the bib off tom Keague and running out on the pitch. I was never as embarrassed in all my life. That was a shambles a real shambles

glenny (Meath) - Posts: 1108 - 14/07/2016 18:14:52    1883390

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Replying To glenny:  "I totally agree with shoulders still 2nd best in Leinster which is not something I am crowing about or indeed is something to crow about but is true.
I remember the shambles before mick came in relegated to division 3 and the debacle in tullamore with banty taking the bib off tom Keague and running out on the pitch. I was never as embarrassed in all my life. That was a shambles a real shambles"
But we are not second best in Leinster, how could we be? That is Westmeath, Even Alan brogan has stated this.
Come on lads are we really kidding ourselves that we are second best in Leinster?
Longford could beat Monaghan , all we got were hammerings, Laois beat Armagh, two years ago we fell apart against them.
Its very much yoyo, but with all this how bad we were with banty, lets get a few facts straight, we never had a 8/10 ht point lead turned over under him, we actually beat a team rated higher than us under him, and we had a hell of a better score difference v dubs under him, yeah we went to div 3 , two teams that were also in div 3 that year was former ulster champs Monaghan and Roscommon, now they progressed, we regressed and that can only be layed square at one mans door,, mod

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/07/2016 19:39:47    1883425

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Replying To glenny:  "I totally agree with shoulders still 2nd best in Leinster which is not something I am crowing about or indeed is something to crow about but is true.
I remember the shambles before mick came in relegated to division 3 and the debacle in tullamore with banty taking the bib off tom Keague and running out on the pitch. I was never as embarrassed in all my life. That was a shambles a real shambles"
No that had nothing on mod standing with his arms folded putting on a totally inexperienced player as our 130 odd years record of never loosing to our neighbours was been shattered, and not informing our capt about the history, and to make it worse he tried to put a positive spin on it saying how great we played in first half, or his cring worthy attempts to big up staying in division 2 this year as a great achievement, or giving out about Jason Ryan complaining about a late tackle, and saying Dublin or Meath never whinge, then after getting annihilated by dubs, rushing back into press room to say a player had been bitten, do you forget that? Now that is a shambles and truly shows that he has been the worst manager not only in Meath but country over past 20 years.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/07/2016 19:51:36    1883430

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Every dog has his day.

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 14/07/2016 20:43:45    1883454

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Banty or Mod..which was the better manger!

Has anybody ever seen two bald men fight over a hair comb ?

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 14/07/2016 20:59:02    1883468

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Replying To WhyTheLongFace:  "Banty or Mod..which was the better manger!

Has anybody ever seen two bald men fight over a hair comb ?"
Dont get me wrong, I thought banty was a disaster too, I just mistakenly thought we couldn't get worse. But hey.
Anyway both are now gone, so time to move on, I was looking today around the area and seeing the wm flags on cars and people getting excited, and best of luck to them, but I can't say there wasn't a slight pang of jealousy in me. But we are where we are and honestly if we appoint the best man (Andy McEntee) then this pain will subside cause I know our future will be brighter.
Hon the Royal

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/07/2016 22:16:27    1883528

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Replying To royaldunne:  "But we are not second best in Leinster, how could we be? That is Westmeath, Even Alan brogan has stated this.
Come on lads are we really kidding ourselves that we are second best in Leinster?
Longford could beat Monaghan , all we got were hammerings, Laois beat Armagh, two years ago we fell apart against them.
Its very much yoyo, but with all this how bad we were with banty, lets get a few facts straight, we never had a 8/10 ht point lead turned over under him, we actually beat a team rated higher than us under him, and we had a hell of a better score difference v dubs under him, yeah we went to div 3 , two teams that were also in div 3 that year was former ulster champs Monaghan and Roscommon, now they progressed, we regressed and that can only be layed square at one mans door,, mod"
This is what's wrong with us
Results prove everything
Dublin mauled us in 2nd gear
Westmeath beat us last year in championship
So how are we 2nd best in leister? ?
3rd or 4th
been kind

umpireview (Meath) - Posts: 55 - 14/07/2016 23:02:06    1883563

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Dont get me wrong, I thought banty was a disaster too, I just mistakenly thought we couldn't get worse. But hey.
Anyway both are now gone, so time to move on, I was looking today around the area and seeing the wm flags on cars and people getting excited, and best of luck to them, but I can't say there wasn't a slight pang of jealousy in me. But we are where we are and honestly if we appoint the best man (Andy McEntee) then this pain will subside cause I know our future will be brighter.
Hon the Royal"
You will be going to the game this Sunday I guess RD ? Will you shout for your woman's home county or will you be shouting for your adopted county? Tough choice :)

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 14/07/2016 23:05:35    1883565

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Replying To umpireview:  "This is what's wrong with us
Results prove everything
Dublin mauled us in 2nd gear
Westmeath beat us last year in championship
So how are we 2nd best in leister? ?
3rd or 4th
been kind"
Yeah, and that hurts me to say the least.
We are certainly behind dubs and Westmeath, and if I'm honest you could throw a blanket over ourselves, Kildare, Laois. Even Longford.
We ain't second best in Leinster, far from it, not that that's anything to cheer about either, your either 1 or nothing.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 15/07/2016 00:25:17    1883593

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Replying To WhyTheLongFace:  "You will be going to the game this Sunday I guess RD ? Will you shout for your woman's home county or will you be shouting for your adopted county? Tough choice :)"
I have no intention of going, I wouldn't waste money on watching either of them, I know a few lads on wm team and they sound, however I would have to sell up and move if they actually eon, ad I couldn't listen to my neighbours, as for dubs? While I have nothing against dub people ( I married one) I absolutely hate their football team , and again couldn't listen to them going on and on.
Its a real Sophie choice, I hate both in footballing terms, cant they both just loose?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 15/07/2016 00:33:54    1883594

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I think player-wise Meath have the second best in Leinster.But the likes of Westmeath are better as a team.Kildare,Offaly,Longford and Laois could easily beat us though.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 15/07/2016 09:31:13    1883650

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Do you honestly think we are 2 years ahead?? Really cause you are the first person to say that, vast majority myself included feel that we have regressed massively under mod, if anything we have fallen further behind the chasing group, with light players who offer very little, we have adapted at all to the modern game."
RD while you're clearly a passionate meath man your short sightedness and obsession with the Westmeath game is clearly influencing your opinion.

To answer your q's.. Yes I 100% believe if we didn't change both the players and the culture attached to them, we would be at least two years behind where we are. You might not like it but that group was going absolutely nowhere, and without trying to offend anyone involved in that panel, there were no real leaders bar sham and bray.

And yes again, I genuinely believe we hold the incredibly hollow title of 2nd best in leinster. At times you could see flashes of the potential this group has, the glaring lack of consistency and mental grit is the issue. No disrespect to management but they were clearly inept at this, along with their inability to read a game in real time and make the necessary changes.

The foundations are in place and despite all the doom and gloom you read on here I'm optimistic and excited about the next 3/4 years! Tenfold more if Andy Mc gets involved!

An Mhí Abú!!

shldrs2thewheel (Meath) - Posts: 200 - 15/07/2016 11:09:56    1883721

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Replying To shldrs2thewheel:  "RD while you're clearly a passionate meath man your short sightedness and obsession with the Westmeath game is clearly influencing your opinion.

To answer your q's.. Yes I 100% believe if we didn't change both the players and the culture attached to them, we would be at least two years behind where we are. You might not like it but that group was going absolutely nowhere, and without trying to offend anyone involved in that panel, there were no real leaders bar sham and bray.

And yes again, I genuinely believe we hold the incredibly hollow title of 2nd best in leinster. At times you could see flashes of the potential this group has, the glaring lack of consistency and mental grit is the issue. No disrespect to management but they were clearly inept at this, along with their inability to read a game in real time and make the necessary changes.

The foundations are in place and despite all the doom and gloom you read on here I'm optimistic and excited about the next 3/4 years! Tenfold more if Andy Mc gets involved!

An Mhí Abú!!"
Hey I'm excited too once Andy gets the job, mod was left too long,
My main issue is that the transition is supposed to mean that , transition, it is not throwing on a leaving cert student with no experience lads around him. That is not a team in transition, that's a team with ineptitude on sideline.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 15/07/2016 13:12:53    1883800

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