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Replying To ziggy32001: "When does McEntee finish up with Ballyboden??" Depends. If they get to another All Ireland final he'll be with them all the way to St Patricks Day RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 09/08/2016 17:21:22 1898970 Link
Replying To Jinxie: "Not till March 18th at approximately 4.26am." lol! ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 09/08/2016 17:28:45 1898981 Link
Replying To browncows: "It was stated at the end of the Dublin championship" So if they win it,he still leaves after the Dublin championship? ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 09/08/2016 17:29:14 1898983 Link
Replying To bdbuddah: "One of the main reasons for Sean Boylans success is he looked beyond the Senior clubs when picking his teams, Robbie O' Malley, Martin O' Connell, Bernard Flynn etc. If the manager sticks to senior clubs he will be loosing out on many of the countys better players. Anyway is the Meath Senior championship in that much of a huge step up from intermediate ?, look at how Na Fianna won the intermediate and in their first 3 years in Senior got to 2 finals. Navan get hammered in Leinster Club championship each year they play in it while Ratoath won Leinster intermediate fairly easily while Curraha won the Leinster Junior (as Meath clubs win it most years)." One of the main reasons for Sean Boylans success is he looked beyond the Senior clubs when picking his teams, Robbie O' Malley, Martin O' Connell, Bernard Flynn etc. If the manager sticks to senior clubs he will be loosing out on many of the countys better players. Anyway is the Meath Senior championship in that much of a huge step up from intermediate ?, look at how Na Fianna won the intermediate and in their first 3 years in Senior got to 2 finals. Navan get hammered in Leinster Club championship each year they play in it while Ratoath won Leinster intermediate fairly easily while Curraha won the Leinster Junior (as Meath clubs win it most years). bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts:238 - 09/08/2016 12:44:35 1898736 Post Reply Link 0 0 No doubts or arguments with me about the players you named but they were exceptional players in terms of skill and mental toughness. The core of the team was senior footballers who were in and around the business end of the keegan cup year on year, which was far more serious competition than where its at now. . Lyons x 2 Ferguson Coyle Harnan Hayes McEntee Cassells Beggy O Rourke Stafford all formed the core which allowed the lads coming in from the lower levels to step up. Remember Boylan didnt let them train with their clubs as the level was way below where they needed to be. The business end of the championship is still a serious place to be. No doubt the championship in its drawn out form is a poor competition and has diluted the competitive streak in our players. Na fianna are a good team, Ratoath have yet to win a game at senior but O Mahonys summerhill don ash simonstown na fianna dunboyne and skryne are tough outfits and my point is picking the best from those teams plus our other talents will stand you in better stead for your county team than SOME of who's representing us currently from junior and intermediate levels. leftnright (Meath) - Posts: 30 - 09/08/2016 18:02:14 1898993 Link
Replying To browncows: "bdbuddah (Meath)- I am not aware of any players of the calibre of Bernard Flynn or Martin O'Connell in any junior , intermediate clubs (or any club for that matter)- not sure what you have been watching over the past couple of years. And you should know that the standards are higher as to go to higher grades." Was replying to a message which said NcEntee should be looking to senior club players for his Meath squad as the standard is so much higher. I used the fact that Boylan found many of his players (including many if his best players) from intermediate/ junior clubs to show this was nonsence and also said on recent evidence the gap between Senior grade and the grades below in Meath club football is not particularly big (based on Na Fianna coming up and qualifying for 2 finals in 3 years and the performance of Meath champions in in the various Leinster club competitions). bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 09/08/2016 18:51:41 1899023 Link
Andy McEntee's first training session with Meath: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnSccAokV3c Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 09/08/2016 19:30:18 1899038 Link
Replying To browncows: "I would agree 100%" Very Best of luck to Andy & GMc and Donal, Finno and Sully. A veritable mountain of work to get through but no one more capable of addressing it. The buzz round the county, dare I say hype is palpable, already. A fresh start, new manager and I expect that every player in the county is eligible for inclusion in his Meath panel. Show him what youve got if you want to be represent your county. The old Meath panel and ways are gone forever. meath1967 (Meath) - Posts: 56 - 09/08/2016 19:34:17 1899041 Link
Replying To bdbuddah: "Was replying to a message which said NcEntee should be looking to senior club players for his Meath squad as the standard is so much higher. I used the fact that Boylan found many of his players (including many if his best players) from intermediate/ junior clubs to show this was nonsence and also said on recent evidence the gap between Senior grade and the grades below in Meath club football is not particularly big (based on Na Fianna coming up and qualifying for 2 finals in 3 years and the performance of Meath champions in in the various Leinster club competitions)." Boylan casts some shadow over meath football. It's time we moved on from the great man's achievements and forge a new era for Meath football. bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1790 - 09/08/2016 21:18:06 1899108 Link
Reading this thread and the one on the main board reminds of Newcastle United fans when Kevin Keegan was reappointed circa 2008. A simple managerial appointment would solve all our problems and things would turn around and a road to glory was inevitable. Don't get me wrong Andy McEntee was the outstanding candidate and thoroughly deserves the opportunity to be Meath manager. But can some of you please calm down. We are starting from a very low base. Barely above Div 3 standard and qualifier fodder. He has a monumental task to overcome this and no guarantee he can turn it around given the raw material he has at his disposal. Best of luck to them man but lets not set him up for a gigantic fall. We've gone for decent club managers and that hasn't worked before (Barry, MOD), we tried a Boylan era hero (Coyle) and that fell apart, we tried a Boylan selector (EOB) and it didn't work out and we went outside (Banty) and that didn't work either. Perhaps managerial appointments aren't the issue and the problem lies deeper. Deeper than McEntee can influence. RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 10/08/2016 09:33:03 1899231 Link
I would temper the excitment a little bit. I am sure mcentee and co are a good appointment. I can only see inprovement under his tenure but that is coming from a very poor base. Tangible objectives need to be set and archieved. Definitely returning to division one in the league has to be a priority if not in year 1 then in year 2. However the problem lies in the quality of player at his disposal, are there better players out there than in the current squad, can new players make a difference? The management will need to scour the county, from junior to senior level to look at players galore. He will need to identify a style that will suit the players and that can help them achieve the goals. In the championship he will need to set targets for each of the years , which at the very least should be getting to Leinster finals and then pushing on in the qualifiers. There is no point in saying just because tipp are in a semi final that is what is achievable. The obsession with the better days of the boylan era need to be moved on from as whilst it conveys the traditional aspects of Meath football it is not relevant to the current era. Maybe a reference point but that is it. Hoping that Dublin regress over the next few years is irrelevant as they have still a core of players that are under 25,.Fenton, mccaffrey, small, Byrne, Kilkenny, Costello, mannion, o Callaghan etc. etc. so this might not happen. It is time for Meath to get their house in order from the top down and give this and following managers the best chance possible to move up the ladder and become a really competitive county again. Adamski (Dublin) - Posts: 339 - 10/08/2016 10:04:22 1899248 Link
Meath were better in the league than championship under MOD and for several years. Only one result away from promotion (in at least) for two successive seasons. Andy & Co. (in conjunction with players of course) can bridge that gap, although maybe not in his first year, as next years D2 will be very competitive. But I wouldn't rule it out. It should be the target from day one. GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 10/08/2016 10:10:02 1899256 Link
What do we think of the plans for games development on the main page? ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 10/08/2016 10:35:38 1899273 Link
Replying To RoyalBadger: "Reading this thread and the one on the main board reminds of Newcastle United fans when Kevin Keegan was reappointed circa 2008. A simple managerial appointment would solve all our problems and things would turn around and a road to glory was inevitable. Don't get me wrong Andy McEntee was the outstanding candidate and thoroughly deserves the opportunity to be Meath manager. But can some of you please calm down. We are starting from a very low base. Barely above Div 3 standard and qualifier fodder. He has a monumental task to overcome this and no guarantee he can turn it around given the raw material he has at his disposal. Best of luck to them man but lets not set him up for a gigantic fall. We've gone for decent club managers and that hasn't worked before (Barry, MOD), we tried a Boylan era hero (Coyle) and that fell apart, we tried a Boylan selector (EOB) and it didn't work out and we went outside (Banty) and that didn't work either. Perhaps managerial appointments aren't the issue and the problem lies deeper. Deeper than McEntee can influence." EOB didn't work out?? He was shafted... McEntee can bring some spirit back,as Meath supporters if we see fight and heart we will be happy and that is a good starting point.We have to get to a decent level before we can get to a higher level. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 10/08/2016 10:46:59 1899280 Link
Replying To ziggy32001: "What do we think of the plans for games development on the main page?" Encouraging RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 10/08/2016 10:47:25 1899281 Link
Replying To leftnright: "One of the main reasons for Sean Boylans success is he looked beyond the Senior clubs when picking his teams, Robbie O' Malley, Martin O' Connell, Bernard Flynn etc. If the manager sticks to senior clubs he will be loosing out on many of the countys better players. Anyway is the Meath Senior championship in that much of a huge step up from intermediate ?, look at how Na Fianna won the intermediate and in their first 3 years in Senior got to 2 finals. Navan get hammered in Leinster Club championship each year they play in it while Ratoath won Leinster intermediate fairly easily while Curraha won the Leinster Junior (as Meath clubs win it most years). bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts:238 - 09/08/2016 12:44:35 1898736 Post Reply Link 0 0 No doubts or arguments with me about the players you named but they were exceptional players in terms of skill and mental toughness. The core of the team was senior footballers who were in and around the business end of the keegan cup year on year, which was far more serious competition than where its at now. . Lyons x 2 Ferguson Coyle Harnan Hayes McEntee Cassells Beggy O Rourke Stafford all formed the core which allowed the lads coming in from the lower levels to step up. Remember Boylan didnt let them train with their clubs as the level was way below where they needed to be. The business end of the championship is still a serious place to be. No doubt the championship in its drawn out form is a poor competition and has diluted the competitive streak in our players. Na fianna are a good team, Ratoath have yet to win a game at senior but O Mahonys summerhill don ash simonstown na fianna dunboyne and skryne are tough outfits and my point is picking the best from those teams plus our other talents will stand you in better stead for your county team than SOME of who's representing us currently from junior and intermediate levels." Personally I don't think the issue is a Senior club players v. Intermediate/ Junior club players argument at all, some of the players from Senior clubs being picked may not be the most talented either. Manager just needs to try to pick players based on their ability regardless of what club they play for. (In reality by doing this anyway he will end up picking mostly Senior club men along with some from lower ranked clubs, Ratoath in 2015 having a lot of players on squad was an exception but remember they won the Leinster intermediate that year). I would hate to see talented players excluded just because they won't transfer to a senior club. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 10/08/2016 10:51:41 1899287 Link
Replying To ziggy32001: "What do we think of the plans for games development on the main page?" It's good news a start anyway let's just hope it's implemented correctly. Co board on a roll AndyMc and funding for underage what next? PT? Hopefully with the extra money some could be used for the 18/21 age group development. username.if (Meath) - Posts: 67 - 10/08/2016 11:03:15 1899294 Link
Replying To username.if: "It's good news a start anyway let's just hope it's implemented correctly. Co board on a roll AndyMc and funding for underage what next? PT? Hopefully with the extra money some could be used for the 18/21 age group development." What stuck out for me was player retention from U13 to U17.These are key years and the more players you keep in the game the better. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 10/08/2016 11:11:14 1899302 Link
Replying To RoyalBadger: "Reading this thread and the one on the main board reminds of Newcastle United fans when Kevin Keegan was reappointed circa 2008. A simple managerial appointment would solve all our problems and things would turn around and a road to glory was inevitable. Don't get me wrong Andy McEntee was the outstanding candidate and thoroughly deserves the opportunity to be Meath manager. But can some of you please calm down. We are starting from a very low base. Barely above Div 3 standard and qualifier fodder. He has a monumental task to overcome this and no guarantee he can turn it around given the raw material he has at his disposal. Best of luck to them man but lets not set him up for a gigantic fall. We've gone for decent club managers and that hasn't worked before (Barry, MOD), we tried a Boylan era hero (Coyle) and that fell apart, we tried a Boylan selector (EOB) and it didn't work out and we went outside (Banty) and that didn't work either. Perhaps managerial appointments aren't the issue and the problem lies deeper. Deeper than McEntee can influence." While I understand why you are cautious I don't think anyone is getting carried away, yes many posts are optimistic but also recognise the difficult job Andy Mc faces. It is good to see a bit of optimism from Meath posters, its the least we deserve after the last few years. seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2142 - 10/08/2016 11:43:42 1899320 Link
Replying To Adamski: "I would temper the excitment a little bit. I am sure mcentee and co are a good appointment. I can only see inprovement under his tenure but that is coming from a very poor base. Tangible objectives need to be set and archieved. Definitely returning to division one in the league has to be a priority if not in year 1 then in year 2. However the problem lies in the quality of player at his disposal, are there better players out there than in the current squad, can new players make a difference? The management will need to scour the county, from junior to senior level to look at players galore. He will need to identify a style that will suit the players and that can help them achieve the goals. In the championship he will need to set targets for each of the years , which at the very least should be getting to Leinster finals and then pushing on in the qualifiers. There is no point in saying just because tipp are in a semi final that is what is achievable. The obsession with the better days of the boylan era need to be moved on from as whilst it conveys the traditional aspects of Meath football it is not relevant to the current era. Maybe a reference point but that is it. Hoping that Dublin regress over the next few years is irrelevant as they have still a core of players that are under 25,.Fenton, mccaffrey, small, Byrne, Kilkenny, Costello, mannion, o Callaghan etc. etc. so this might not happen. It is time for Meath to get their house in order from the top down and give this and following managers the best chance possible to move up the ladder and become a really competitive county again." Agree with most of your post and it now seems that Meath are putting the structures in place (eventually) to give us a fighting chance in years to come, as for hoping Dublin regress; that will not happen seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2142 - 10/08/2016 11:47:53 1899323 Link
Replying To GlasagusOr: "Meath were better in the league than championship under MOD and for several years. Only one result away from promotion (in at least) for two successive seasons. Andy & Co. (in conjunction with players of course) can bridge that gap, although maybe not in his first year, as next years D2 will be very competitive. But I wouldn't rule it out. It should be the target from day one." If memory serves me correctly we were lucky in league under MOD. We ended up depending on results elsewhere to just stay in the division! bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1790 - 10/08/2016 12:02:35 1899327 Link