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Replying To ziggy32001:  "Achieved nothing with Ashbourne??

Getting Ashbourne into the senior ranks for the first time in a very long time is no achievement???
Ashbourne had not that great of a side and were nowhere near winning the Intermediate.He did it and did it with style.The Ashbourne team of the last few years is much better than the one he had I can assure you.He had a lot of players on that Ashbourne team who were stumbling along for years and had little direction or confidence in actually winning anything."
Achieved nothing with Ashbourne??

Getting Ashbourne into the senior ranks for the first time in a very long time is no achievement???
Ashbourne had not that great of a side and were nowhere near winning the Intermediate.He did it and did it with style.The Ashbourne team of the last few years is much better than the one he had I can assure you.He had a lot of players on that Ashbourne team who were stumbling along for years and had little direction or confidence in actually winning anything.
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:6214 - 21/07/2016 14:13:32 18876

Ziggy, are you really an Ashbourne man???? Maybe you are only there in recent years but Andy Mc went to Donaghmore/Ashbourne because he could see what was coming. As a Dunboyne man I can remember the battles we had with teams all the way up from U14, U16 and Minor. Remember they won their 1st minor in 2006 and followed on with U21. That Intermediate team was made up from most of the brilliant minor teams and also lads who were very good footballers only a few years older that them. Granted Andy was lucky to get to senior in his first year but the work had been done by many managers at underage and it paid off. Likewise if Meath get their act together which I think they are doing, they too will be back to where we think we deserve to be. Ziggy as a Dunboyne man I know these things so I wish you would think before you open your big gob. I hope Andy does get the job because I think he is a lucky manager aswell as having a way with teams. He does not expect of anyone what he wouldn't put in himself.

castleroyal (Meath) - Posts: 57 - 21/07/2016 18:08:39    1887841

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Replying To runnerin:  "Sorry how are Ballyboden the 6th best team in Dublin?? I have no problem with Andy getting the job but less of the bull. Ballyboden are the biggest club in Dublin player wise and have multiple teams in every age group all the way from u8 to minor and have had for years.Who do we blame if this doesn't work.It was all Bantys fault 4 years ago as the team were too slow and too one dimensional.MOD did what people wanted and changed it up but that didn't work.We haven't had a decent team in 15 years so stop blaming every management team and blame the county board.The players aren't there anymore.You reap what you sow."
Just checked there and even this year, as defending dub/Leinster and all ire champions, they 15/2 to win I out with Vincents , ballymun, kilmacrud all ahead of them in betting, Las year judes were ahead of them and I think Sarsfields too but I open to correction on last one, my wife is a dub (for her sins) and the in-laws are very into the club acew, trust me it was a shock that boden won dubs senior champ last year,

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/07/2016 18:10:43    1887843

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Well as they say the bookies very seldom get it wrong, ballboden were 6th fav to win the Dublin senior championship, this is a well known fact , so going by that mostly, Vincents were fav to win it out, so no hyperbole from me just stating facts, I actually thought everyone knew boden were 6th fav to win it last year, it was widely spoken of after they won Leinster and even more so after all ire, maybe I should have made the facts clear, sorry , I actually genuinely thought everyone knew they were 5/6 team in Dublin last year. My apologies."
I have no interest in betting so whether Ballyboden were 6th 5th or 2nd favourite's I wouldn't have known but don't say you're stating facts by saying they were 6th best because the bookies said so.As I asked in my previous post what happens if this doesn't work as personally I cannot for the life of me see how any management could bridge the gap on how far we have fallen behind.I also find it amazing that no blame is put at the door of Trevor Giles and Sean Kelly who were also part of MODs team until last year.Is this because of the high regard people hold these two men in or is just easy to use MOD as a scapegoat thus masking the real problems regarding the mess that is Meath football.We all have to realise it not all one mans fault

runnerin (Meath) - Posts: 202 - 21/07/2016 18:25:31    1887848

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Replying To dunboynelad:  "I can say it as fact, quote me on it in 2017 if he is offered the job."
A fact according to who?

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1790 - 21/07/2016 18:31:22    1887851

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Replying To runnerin:  "I have no interest in betting so whether Ballyboden were 6th 5th or 2nd favourite's I wouldn't have known but don't say you're stating facts by saying they were 6th best because the bookies said so.As I asked in my previous post what happens if this doesn't work as personally I cannot for the life of me see how any management could bridge the gap on how far we have fallen behind.I also find it amazing that no blame is put at the door of Trevor Giles and Sean Kelly who were also part of MODs team until last year.Is this because of the high regard people hold these two men in or is just easy to use MOD as a scapegoat thus masking the real problems regarding the mess that is Meath football.We all have to realise it not all one mans fault"
The mess the seniors is in is one man's fault.

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1790 - 21/07/2016 19:02:28    1887860

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Replying To runnerin:  "I have no interest in betting so whether Ballyboden were 6th 5th or 2nd favourite's I wouldn't have known but don't say you're stating facts by saying they were 6th best because the bookies said so.As I asked in my previous post what happens if this doesn't work as personally I cannot for the life of me see how any management could bridge the gap on how far we have fallen behind.I also find it amazing that no blame is put at the door of Trevor Giles and Sean Kelly who were also part of MODs team until last year.Is this because of the high regard people hold these two men in or is just easy to use MOD as a scapegoat thus masking the real problems regarding the mess that is Meath football.We all have to realise it not all one mans fault"
From what I have heard both Kelly and Giles had minimum input into set up, and this is why both ran not walked away last year, but yet the main problem was was reappointed without any consultation, no one is expecting the gap to be bridged significantly and i haven't seen one person suggest it, all anyone is saying is that we will be better than what we are, due to having a decent manager. And yes bodens were 6th team in Dublin last year, and how is anyone going to rank them if not through bookies? I mean I can say mayo are number one team to win all Ireland cause they have all stars all over place etc, but bookies and most reasonable people will say no its Dublin.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/07/2016 19:10:28    1887863

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Replying To runnerin:  "I have no interest in betting so whether Ballyboden were 6th 5th or 2nd favourite's I wouldn't have known but don't say you're stating facts by saying they were 6th best because the bookies said so.As I asked in my previous post what happens if this doesn't work as personally I cannot for the life of me see how any management could bridge the gap on how far we have fallen behind.I also find it amazing that no blame is put at the door of Trevor Giles and Sean Kelly who were also part of MODs team until last year.Is this because of the high regard people hold these two men in or is just easy to use MOD as a scapegoat thus masking the real problems regarding the mess that is Meath football.We all have to realise it not all one mans fault"
I dont think any poster on here expects new manager to work miracles, what I would hope for, is for team to be competitive once more, not making the same mistakes week in week out and to put a halt to our downward spiral

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2142 - 21/07/2016 20:06:49    1887881

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Replying To royaldunne:  "From what I have heard both Kelly and Giles had minimum input into set up, and this is why both ran not walked away last year, but yet the main problem was was reappointed without any consultation, no one is expecting the gap to be bridged significantly and i haven't seen one person suggest it, all anyone is saying is that we will be better than what we are, due to having a decent manager. And yes bodens were 6th team in Dublin last year, and how is anyone going to rank them if not through bookies? I mean I can say mayo are number one team to win all Ireland cause they have all stars all over place etc, but bookies and most reasonable people will say no its Dublin."
Thats true about Trevor and Sean Kelly having a very small input ..i think anything good about the team over the first 3 years had Sean Kelly finger prints all over it ! Plus Sean Kelly was the leinster railway cup manger last year ..shame they never played a game but players were very impressed by him from other counties !

And remember Stephen Bray also committed himself to leinster last year , despite announcing his intercounty retirement..which in itself was a vote of confidence to Kelly!

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 21/07/2016 20:33:12    1887890

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Replying To castleroyal:  "Achieved nothing with Ashbourne??

Getting Ashbourne into the senior ranks for the first time in a very long time is no achievement???
Ashbourne had not that great of a side and were nowhere near winning the Intermediate.He did it and did it with style.The Ashbourne team of the last few years is much better than the one he had I can assure you.He had a lot of players on that Ashbourne team who were stumbling along for years and had little direction or confidence in actually winning anything.
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:6214 - 21/07/2016 14:13:32 18876

Ziggy, are you really an Ashbourne man???? Maybe you are only there in recent years but Andy Mc went to Donaghmore/Ashbourne because he could see what was coming. As a Dunboyne man I can remember the battles we had with teams all the way up from U14, U16 and Minor. Remember they won their 1st minor in 2006 and followed on with U21. That Intermediate team was made up from most of the brilliant minor teams and also lads who were very good footballers only a few years older that them. Granted Andy was lucky to get to senior in his first year but the work had been done by many managers at underage and it paid off. Likewise if Meath get their act together which I think they are doing, they too will be back to where we think we deserve to be. Ziggy as a Dunboyne man I know these things so I wish you would think before you open your big gob. I hope Andy does get the job because I think he is a lucky manager aswell as having a way with teams. He does not expect of anyone what he wouldn't put in himself."
Before I open my big gob? excuse me sir...

I know many of the players who were on that ASH team and they had no marquee players at that stage.Sure I know most of the lads who played,some of them I went to school with etc FFS.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 21/07/2016 21:21:13    1887925

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "Before I open my big gob? excuse me sir...

I know many of the players who were on that ASH team and they had no marquee players at that stage.Sure I know most of the lads who played,some of them I went to school with etc FFS."
They had a very young Andy Tormey,but players like Joey Long,Ciaran Byrne,Padraig Durkan,Sean Harmon,Rory O'Connor,Eoin Carroll,Eoin Riordan,Paul Finn,Ian Dowd,were hardly brilliant players.Some of those are playing junior now and some don't even play.Hardly the same as someone like Ratoath winning it with the talent they have.Andy improved Ashbourne as a team greatly and I reckon if he stayed longer he would have won a Senior champ,with the talent that was about to come through.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 21/07/2016 22:13:51    1887939

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Replying To royaldunne:  "From what I have heard both Kelly and Giles had minimum input into set up, and this is why both ran not walked away last year, but yet the main problem was was reappointed without any consultation, no one is expecting the gap to be bridged significantly and i haven't seen one person suggest it, all anyone is saying is that we will be better than what we are, due to having a decent manager. And yes bodens were 6th team in Dublin last year, and how is anyone going to rank them if not through bookies? I mean I can say mayo are number one team to win all Ireland cause they have all stars all over place etc, but bookies and most reasonable people will say no its Dublin."
Yep agree the reappointment proccess or lack of one was a joke but dont forget a lot of posters thought all our problems would end when Banty left so I see a lot of similarities here.I also would be very surprised if Sean and Trevor had no input(esp Sean) into the setup but I'm not saying MOD is not blameless far from it but the squad is at best is poor by inter county standards which is mainly due to the lack of investment in juvenile football by the Co Board over a long number of years.I hope Andy gets the job but the expectation being put on him already is crazy.He won with boden who have more adult players than any club in the country.He got Don/Ash to senior but its the 2nd biggest town in Meath and his minor team that got to the AI final lost 3 games in the championship that year.This would be by far his biggest challenge and I really hope he succeeds if he gets it but Im not at all confident he will

runnerin (Meath) - Posts: 202 - 21/07/2016 22:34:27    1887947

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Replying To Htaem:  "Mick O'Dowd stepped down on the 9th of July, has the County Board even met up to discuss his replacement? and if not, why not?"
Nomination papers are out and have to be returned by 5 pm on Friday the 29th.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 21/07/2016 23:00:19    1887967

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Replying To runnerin:  "Yep agree the reappointment proccess or lack of one was a joke but dont forget a lot of posters thought all our problems would end when Banty left so I see a lot of similarities here.I also would be very surprised if Sean and Trevor had no input(esp Sean) into the setup but I'm not saying MOD is not blameless far from it but the squad is at best is poor by inter county standards which is mainly due to the lack of investment in juvenile football by the Co Board over a long number of years.I hope Andy gets the job but the expectation being put on him already is crazy.He won with boden who have more adult players than any club in the country.He got Don/Ash to senior but its the 2nd biggest town in Meath and his minor team that got to the AI final lost 3 games in the championship that year.This would be by far his biggest challenge and I really hope he succeeds if he gets it but Im not at all confident he will"
What expectation is been put on him?

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/07/2016 00:28:13    1887980

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runnerin (Meath)- One of the few posters that makes a bit of logic. A lot of rubbish being posted over the last few weeks

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 22/07/2016 01:04:28    1887986

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "What expectation is been put on him?"
The expectation that he will bring game plans tactics(plan A plan B plan C etc) leadership motivation winning mentality clarity for players s&c programmes nutrition & hydration programmes fitness programmes which in turn will fix everything.My point is the manager is always to blame never the squad he has to work with.Whether he got it right or wrong MOD tried a vast amount of players but unfortunately we lack a lot of quality at the moment.We all are looking in from outside the squad and we cant know that all of the above werent already in place with the last setup as most clubs would have similar ideas.Andy Mc or whover gets the job hasnt got a magic wand to fix all thats wrong with adult football in the county.We are still deluding ourselves if we think that our juveniles coaching stuctures are fixed and we will not progress even if Jim Gavin got the job untill this is sorted.Every house needs a solid foundation so thinking that changing the senior football manager will fix all thats wrong is madness

runnerin (Meath) - Posts: 202 - 22/07/2016 07:20:46    1887994

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Replying To runnerin:  "The expectation that he will bring game plans tactics(plan A plan B plan C etc) leadership motivation winning mentality clarity for players s&c programmes nutrition & hydration programmes fitness programmes which in turn will fix everything.My point is the manager is always to blame never the squad he has to work with.Whether he got it right or wrong MOD tried a vast amount of players but unfortunately we lack a lot of quality at the moment.We all are looking in from outside the squad and we cant know that all of the above werent already in place with the last setup as most clubs would have similar ideas.Andy Mc or whover gets the job hasnt got a magic wand to fix all thats wrong with adult football in the county.We are still deluding ourselves if we think that our juveniles coaching stuctures are fixed and we will not progress even if Jim Gavin got the job untill this is sorted.Every house needs a solid foundation so thinking that changing the senior football manager will fix all thats wrong is madness"
I think we are well capable of been competitive and beating teams like Westmeath and Derry for example.We are way off challenging All-Irelands.Can we make it to the last 8? Are we capable of getting to dv1? I think we are.That would be your starting point.MOD failed to achieve this and admitted we have a good enough panel to achieve this.
What is your issue with the juvenile structure right now?

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/07/2016 08:48:44    1888005

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Replying To runnerin:  "The expectation that he will bring game plans tactics(plan A plan B plan C etc) leadership motivation winning mentality clarity for players s&c programmes nutrition & hydration programmes fitness programmes which in turn will fix everything.My point is the manager is always to blame never the squad he has to work with.Whether he got it right or wrong MOD tried a vast amount of players but unfortunately we lack a lot of quality at the moment.We all are looking in from outside the squad and we cant know that all of the above werent already in place with the last setup as most clubs would have similar ideas.Andy Mc or whover gets the job hasnt got a magic wand to fix all thats wrong with adult football in the county.We are still deluding ourselves if we think that our juveniles coaching stuctures are fixed and we will not progress even if Jim Gavin got the job untill this is sorted.Every house needs a solid foundation so thinking that changing the senior football manager will fix all thats wrong is madness"
Look I am not saying he will fix everything, the problem in Meath football is a deep one, these players have not been coached to their potential the whole way up to seniors from their clubs onwards for the most part. What I will say though is that having plans abc are the managements job, having a senior county team fit to play for 70 mins is the management job, having players mentally strong and belief in the way the play is the management job.
No one is expecting a magic wand, as you said, if we had Gavin, McGuinness, Boylan, O'Dwyer we still wouldn't win all ire. As we don't have the players.
However loosing 7/8/10 point leads is unacceptable, once off and you can take it on the chin, however Laois last year in league, , Westmeath in championship Cavan Galway in league this year Derry in championship, that's bad management. That's not mentioning the ones we scraped by while comprehensively loosing the second half, I'm thinking about Kildare, Wicklow, Louth etc. And for me that started against Kildare in Leinster semi final where we were in cruise control, yet if they had actually taken their chances we were out, at time I and most others put it down to complacency and taking foot of pedal, unfortunately it was something more. I think those teams I have mentioned we are as good as (mostly div 2,3 teams) so things like that shouldn't happen under Andy, or any manager for that matter, that is all anyone expects from him, we will still get beat by the top teams, the dubs, mayos, Kerry Tyrone over the next few years, but we wont ever see us conceding 100% of kick outs, again that was not players that was under management instructions.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/07/2016 09:02:39    1888011

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "I think we are well capable of been competitive and beating teams like Westmeath and Derry for example.We are way off challenging All-Irelands.Can we make it to the last 8? Are we capable of getting to dv1? I think we are.That would be your starting point.MOD failed to achieve this and admitted we have a good enough panel to achieve this.
What is your issue with the juvenile structure right now?"
We are not good enough for Division 1 end of yes we are on the same level as Derry and Westmeath who also are not good enough for Division 1.On the structures there are still no coaches sent on a structured way into the primary schools in the county(GPO system).This works as whatever excuses we use about Dublins population etc the real reason they are so good is how hard they worked on the ground over the last 15 yrs using this system getting kids to play the game.Until we at the very least use the same template we will remain at best a 2nd tier county

runnerin (Meath) - Posts: 202 - 22/07/2016 09:10:35    1888016

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I don't accept we are not good enough to at least get promoted to Div. One,(staying there will bring its own problems) barring the collapse against Cavan/Galway this year we would have been there or thereabouts. Time to stop fixating on how good the Dubs are, few if any teams can live with them at full throttle. Getting promoted should be the priority for next year, if we manage this the confidence boost should carry over into championship. No poster on this sight as far as I have read is looking for miracles or magic wands just improvement.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2142 - 22/07/2016 09:32:14    1888025

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Teams , no matter the grade with strong link to local schools is a must going forward, get kids to identify with their parish team and Meath GAA in general, may help to win back some of the young lads born in Meath but with aspirations to play with Dublin. But easier said than done.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2142 - 22/07/2016 09:38:08    1888031

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