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Lads has MOD ever won a qualifier game???
I'm racking my brains and don't remember it ever happening??
I think we've lost leinster finals 3 years running and were out in round 4 of the qualifiers and out last year to Tyrone??

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1955 - 16/06/2016 10:00:10    1867540

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Replying To brian:  "Lads has MOD ever won a qualifier game???
I'm racking my brains and don't remember it ever happening??
I think we've lost leinster finals 3 years running and were out in round 4 of the qualifiers and out last year to Tyrone??"
No we've never won a Qualifier game under MOD, in 2013 we lost to Tyrone, 2014 lost to Armagh and 2015 we lost to Tyrone again.

Teams we've beaten in the championship under MOD include = Wicklow twice, Wexford, Carlow, Kildare and Louth, so we really have to try and pull the socks up this year and improve, which hopefully we can.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 16/06/2016 10:12:56    1867544

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All the tactics in the world and all the formations can be tried but reality is that Dublin and a lot of other teams are far superior to us in the present time. Thrre will always be the chance of an upset and were it to happen it eould be bigger than Tipp beating Cork. Bookies say 13 points i would be hopeful of keeping it to single digits with a decent performance

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1468 - 16/06/2016 10:15:39    1867548

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Replying To brian:  "Lads has MOD ever won a qualifier game???
I'm racking my brains and don't remember it ever happening??
I think we've lost leinster finals 3 years running and were out in round 4 of the qualifiers and out last year to Tyrone??"
Sadly he hasn't,we were beaten by an average Armagh side too..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 16/06/2016 10:28:44    1867564

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Replying To WhyTheLongFace:  "I do believe Htaem that Meath would improve greatly if we were playing Division 1 football without question ..But Mayo are the most consistent Division 1 team but there relationships with all Ireland days hasn't been exactly Brokeback Mountain !

But again you my be right ..maybe media and soccer pundits have pushed the EPL agenda as the greatest league in the world ...but look at our own Gaa pundits with there after match analysis "it was a division 1 team playing a Division 3 team Micheal thats why they lost" every game ! I wouldn't mind but the division 3 may have only lost by a point..then gaa pundits tells us its the shrewdness and the quick thinking and the intensity of playing in division 1 won them the game...but if a division 3 team beats a division 1 team nowadays its call "over achieved "

Maybe there is truth in it...but maybe players nowadays from division 2 or 3 when they cross that white line they have that already in there head as excuse why they lost !

Look i don't know.."
I think Mayo are an exceptional case though WhyTheLongFace, they're perennial underachievers, they're like the Jimmy White of the Gaa.

As for pundits, honestly I don't listen to them, I see little or no value in what they do or say, they're really only there to burn a bit of time. They do this by regularly talking absolute sh1te and trying to cause as much controversy as possible in an effort to self promote. But when it comes to actual analysis they revert back to trite statements like 'they lost because they're in div3' etc.

You could have a point about some players being psychologically beaten before they take to the field just because they're in a lower division, but it can also motivate other lads, depends on the person I suppose.

But what doesn't help is comments from your manager basically telling the players that they can't beat opposition from a higher division. This is something that MOD suggested after our defeat to Tyrone when he claimed that they're realistically a div1 team, even though they were actually playing in div2!

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 16/06/2016 10:30:05    1867566

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Replying To Htaem:  "I think Mayo are an exceptional case though WhyTheLongFace, they're perennial underachievers, they're like the Jimmy White of the Gaa.

As for pundits, honestly I don't listen to them, I see little or no value in what they do or say, they're really only there to burn a bit of time. They do this by regularly talking absolute sh1te and trying to cause as much controversy as possible in an effort to self promote. But when it comes to actual analysis they revert back to trite statements like 'they lost because they're in div3' etc.

You could have a point about some players being psychologically beaten before they take to the field just because they're in a lower division, but it can also motivate other lads, depends on the person I suppose.

But what doesn't help is comments from your manager basically telling the players that they can't beat opposition from a higher division. This is something that MOD suggested after our defeat to Tyrone when he claimed that they're realistically a div1 team, even though they were actually playing in div2!"
Htaem

But Mayo are still up there amongst the top teams and could win the All-Ireland,I am sure if they were in dv2 hovering over relegation they wouldn't be winning Connacht titles and been thereabouts in the All-Ireland.
Meath are nowhere near this,and as you say we probably have to get to dv1 to get there.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 16/06/2016 11:03:04    1867584

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Replying To Analyst:  "All the tactics in the world and all the formations can be tried but reality is that Dublin and a lot of other teams are far superior to us in the present time. Thrre will always be the chance of an upset and were it to happen it eould be bigger than Tipp beating Cork. Bookies say 13 points i would be hopeful of keeping it to single digits with a decent performance"
I understand the lack of optimism for this game Analyst but again whatever we think the players should only focus on winning the game. I'd hate to think they're planning for anything else, there should be no talk damage limitation or anything like it.

Big upsets are rare but they do happen, there'd be no point in watching sport if the favourites won every single time. The Dubs are brilliant but they're human like everybody else, we have to hit them early, hit them hard and try our best to plant seeds of doubt.

In fact it's intriguing and exciting trying to think of ways to beat the best team around, it's what sport is all about and I really hope the players and management embrace that challenge, turn it into a positive.

I'd love to see our lads go out and leave everything on the pitch and never drop the heads, we can't ask for much more than that.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 16/06/2016 11:48:42    1867617

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "Htaem

But Mayo are still up there amongst the top teams and could win the All-Ireland,I am sure if they were in dv2 hovering over relegation they wouldn't be winning Connacht titles and been thereabouts in the All-Ireland.
Meath are nowhere near this,and as you say we probably have to get to dv1 to get there."
I agree 100% ziggy, division 1 is where the big boys are and has to be our aim to get there and stay there, simple as that.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 16/06/2016 11:52:49    1867621

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All the tactics in the world and all the formations can be tried but reality is that Dublin and a lot of other teams are far superior to us in the present time. Thrre will always be the chance of an upset and were it to happen it eould be bigger than Tipp beating Cork. Bookies say 13 points i would be hopeful of keeping it to single digits with a decent performance

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1468 - 16/06/2016 11:56:34    1867622

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "Sadly he hasn't,we were beaten by an average Armagh side too.."
Jesus above I'll never forget that day. My oul fella was on a season ticket and out in the open on the cusack side? I took his ticket off him so he'd be under cover higher up in the stand but he still got drenched. An abysmal day for sure.
Didn't Shane start that day out of the blue and Biggy was dropped before the start??

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1955 - 16/06/2016 13:16:52    1867664

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Interesting and insightful by Jim McGuiness. Tactical breakdown in how he believes teams can beat Dublin. Well worth a read.

RoyalClass (Meath) - Posts: 789 - 16/06/2016 14:48:34    1867695

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Allot of talk of the section of Paddy O'Rouke and Biggy. There my thinking as things stand at the moment I would drop both of them. POR because of discipline record is very poor. Biggy on the other hand just dose not work hard enough often enough in my opinion, a blind man could see that. So I drop both of them for different reasons. So maybe not today or maybe not tomorrow. But they will once again let the team down when we need them in my opinion. Now having said that I think MOD has a part to play here everyone knows the history of the 2 boys. So MOD how come and the backroom staff cant sort it ? Its MOD 3rd year now. The only other older experienced player i can think of is Mickey Burke. Mickey should be a example of how the boys should behave honest and hard working. Mickey Burke seems to be only older experienced left that MOD kept (or was able to control). POR and BIggy seem to have a mind of there own and do there own thing and are unreliable.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 16/06/2016 15:03:07    1867702

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Replying To brian:  "Jesus above I'll never forget that day. My oul fella was on a season ticket and out in the open on the cusack side? I took his ticket off him so he'd be under cover higher up in the stand but he still got drenched. An abysmal day for sure.
Didn't Shane start that day out of the blue and Biggy was dropped before the start??"
Yes,but Biggy was very poor that year.Been dropped gave him a bit of kick in the ass,he came on and played well.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 16/06/2016 15:56:52    1867734

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "Allot of talk of the section of Paddy O'Rouke and Biggy. There my thinking as things stand at the moment I would drop both of them. POR because of discipline record is very poor. Biggy on the other hand just dose not work hard enough often enough in my opinion, a blind man could see that. So I drop both of them for different reasons. So maybe not today or maybe not tomorrow. But they will once again let the team down when we need them in my opinion. Now having said that I think MOD has a part to play here everyone knows the history of the 2 boys. So MOD how come and the backroom staff cant sort it ? Its MOD 3rd year now. The only other older experienced player i can think of is Mickey Burke. Mickey should be a example of how the boys should behave honest and hard working. Mickey Burke seems to be only older experienced left that MOD kept (or was able to control). POR and BIggy seem to have a mind of there own and do there own thing and are unreliable."
MOD's 4th year

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 16/06/2016 15:57:59    1867735

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Bob ,

Unless I'm mistaken , both of those guys are some of the more experienced players on the panel .And apart from their erratic behaviour during game time and that includes not putting enough in . How would you replace them ?. and with Who .
Ive noted GR move up thru the ranks of Meath football from Juvenile right up thru minor , U21 etc. he has always been spoken of in a special scense . I believe all those years of plastering his name on the media as the best player that we have got , has made him naturally complacent in my opinion . And that's why we only see little sparks of the potential that he has . And I m afraid that's all down to every coach that has put him on a pedestal since he was a little one .
Hes a 50/50 player . Only wants to do the attacking with no tracking back gear etc. He has been allowed to do it all his life and nobody has challenged him directly for it .
Hes only 50% of the footballer he can be ,because he has neglected the 50% as a defender that he should be to complete the development.
Buts that's down to all the managers/coaches at club as well as county level whose hands he has passed thru up to this point .... Some would say , a spoilt footballer.

On POR , get a dedicated goalie . One that has learned his trade all the way up . don't be utilising a makeshift goalie just to have a position the panel for him . Because that is the real reason why he is there .......
Skryne use him in goals don't they .......

Chaisleain_Abu (Meath) - Posts: 220 - 16/06/2016 16:03:44    1867737

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The Round 2 qualifier fixtures are down for July 2nd (2A) and July 9th (2B). We were in section A originally, so I presume it's still the same. That means if we lose on the 26th we are looking at a 6 day turnaround. They seem to be determined to force us into that situation this year seeing as we would have also faced one had Louth beaten us.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 16/06/2016 16:34:26    1867753

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I think both Harnan and keoghan should be dropped for this game, keoghan got roasted last 2 times we played Dublin, bring in Finn.
As for Harnan? Remember it was him who cost us our proud record v wm ,

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 16/06/2016 16:39:57    1867759

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Replying To RoyalClass:  "link

Interesting and insightful by Jim McGuiness. Tactical breakdown in how he believes teams can beat Dublin. Well worth a read."
Yes, and we have at least two 11s to reek damage on sweeper system. Imagine O'Sullivan and Reilly interchanging at the top of their game supplying ball to inside forwards and having ability to kick their own scores from the 45.

One can only imagine

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 16/06/2016 16:45:13    1867762

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Replying To bert09:  "
Replying To RoyalClass:  "link

Interesting and insightful by Jim McGuiness. Tactical breakdown in how he believes teams can beat Dublin. Well worth a read."
Yes, and we have at least two 11s to reek damage on sweeper system. Imagine O'Sullivan and Reilly interchanging at the top of their game supplying ball to inside forwards and having ability to kick their own scores from the 45.

One can only imagine"
Yes I was thinking of Cillian O'Sullivan in particular myself. If he got on a lot of ball and started influencing the attack Cian O'Sullivan would have to track him. This would inhibit his placement in front of the D where he's usually operating as a sweeper. Pull him away and hit accurate passes targeting the Dublin full back line and we'll see how they cope.

The only thing is do we have the quality forwards inside to really trouble Dublin? I'm not convinced however it would be interesting to see how MOD approaches the game.

RoyalClass (Meath) - Posts: 789 - 16/06/2016 17:25:47    1867785

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Replying To RoyalClass:  "
Replying To bert09:  "[quote=RoyalClass:  "link

Interesting and insightful by Jim McGuiness. Tactical breakdown in how he believes teams can beat Dublin. Well worth a read."
Yes, and we have at least two 11s to reek damage on sweeper system. Imagine O'Sullivan and Reilly interchanging at the top of their game supplying ball to inside forwards and having ability to kick their own scores from the 45.

One can only imagine"
Yes I was thinking of Cillian O'Sullivan in particular myself. If he got on a lot of ball and started influencing the attack Cian O'Sullivan would have to track him. This would inhibit his placement in front of the D where he's usually operating as a sweeper. Pull him away and hit accurate passes targeting the Dublin full back line and we'll see how they cope.

The only thing is do we have the quality forwards inside to really trouble Dublin? I'm not convinced however it would be interesting to see how MOD approaches the game."]We do if the right players play.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 16/06/2016 17:28:34    1867790

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