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Replying To NaNa: "I think they were promoted as beaten finalists" Ah right I stand corrected
Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 17/08/2016 12:23:16
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Replying To anfearbeag: "The big difference between Skryne, Summerhill, Seneschalstown and the other "small rural clubs" is that in those 3 cases, there is only one club in the parish. That is why they have a big pick to choose from. Should players from those parishes be penalised and prevented from playing Junior football just because in other parishes people can't get on, and instead split the players available into 2 or 3 smaller clubs?
Incidently, anyone like to hazard a guess as to when the last time a second team won the Junior A championship? The reality is that the winners list for the Junior A championship is dominated by first teams. Regardless of how much moaning that goes on about it, the reality is that the best team ends up winning the competition, and that is usually a first team, very often from a "small rural club"." Could b wrong but kells 1992
Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 17/08/2016 17:16:32
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Omahonys 1974
Walterstown 1978
Gaeil Colmcille 1992
3 second teams in 42 years none in 24 years all could change this year but reckon bective and Dunsany clan na gael should be good enough not to allow that
glenny (Meath) - Posts: 1108 - 17/08/2016 17:53:00
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Yes, for all the moaning about second teams in the Junior championship, none of them have won it since Gaeil Colmcilles in 1992. The reality is that second teams are almost irrelevant in the Junior A championship. Every year 2-4 of them reach the quarter finals. Every year the best first team in the championship wins it out, exactly the same as if the second teams were not there at all. Some years the worst of the first teams get relegated, the same as if the second teams were not there. Other years, one of the second teams get relegated. So in fact, the main way that the second teams distort the competition is that occasionally they prevent one of the "small rural clubs" from being deservedly relegated.
Having said that, I do think that it could be changed to ensure that the second teams were more even throughout the competition. I think the idea of a club having to name a 20 man first team squad before the championship is a good one. Obviously the panels would have to be carefully scrutinised to ensure that they were genuine, but there could be a rule that all of them had to have played with the first team the previous year. To make it fair, I think the list would have to be revised after maybe two rounds of the championship - anyone on the panel who hadn't actually got a game with the first team would then become eligible again for junior. Otherwise a lad could be named on the first team panel, fall out of favour with the management, and then be left without any championship football for the year.
I would also consider having a rule where a lad not on the 1st team panel could play once for the first team (as a sub?), and still be eligible for the second team. Too often you see lads being brought on for 5 minutes at the end of a Senior game, and then never played again. Then their season is effectively over.
anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 17/08/2016 22:50:22
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Replying To anfearbeag: "Yes, for all the moaning about second teams in the Junior championship, none of them have won it since Gaeil Colmcilles in 1992. The reality is that second teams are almost irrelevant in the Junior A championship. Every year 2-4 of them reach the quarter finals. Every year the best first team in the championship wins it out, exactly the same as if the second teams were not there at all. Some years the worst of the first teams get relegated, the same as if the second teams were not there. Other years, one of the second teams get relegated. So in fact, the main way that the second teams distort the competition is that occasionally they prevent one of the "small rural clubs" from being deservedly relegated.
Having said that, I do think that it could be changed to ensure that the second teams were more even throughout the competition. I think the idea of a club having to name a 20 man first team squad before the championship is a good one. Obviously the panels would have to be carefully scrutinised to ensure that they were genuine, but there could be a rule that all of them had to have played with the first team the previous year. To make it fair, I think the list would have to be revised after maybe two rounds of the championship - anyone on the panel who hadn't actually got a game with the first team would then become eligible again for junior. Otherwise a lad could be named on the first team panel, fall out of favour with the management, and then be left without any championship football for the year.
I would also consider having a rule where a lad not on the 1st team panel could play once for the first team (as a sub?), and still be eligible for the second team. Too often you see lads being brought on for 5 minutes at the end of a Senior game, and then never played again. Then their season is effectively over." Completely agree with all of that. the best argument I've heard on it so far but I don't think it will be implemented as the ywould have to do it the whole way down to Junior D and I can't see them being bothered doing that.
de_man (Meath) - Posts: 192 - 18/08/2016 09:58:48
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would the solution to be take all the 2nd teams and put them in junior b and mirror from junior b down like the 1st team championship
i.e junior b = senior, junior c = idinterimiate and let all 2nd teams and in some cases 3rd go up and down this like the 1st teams in senior intermediate and junior?
might take a b it of logistics with taking the teams out of junior b but surely that would be the best solution?
srgt_slaughter (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 18/08/2016 11:11:17
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Right lads we will include Junior C and D in Junior predictions from now on
JFC D semi-final
Wolfe Tones v Moynalty..... Moynalty
Ballinlough v Gaeil Colmcille.. God its all very local.. Ballinlough
JFC C quarter-final
Duleek/Bellewstown v Seneschalstown... Duleek should have too much for Yellow Fruze 3rds
JFC C semi-final
Na Fianna v St.Michaels... Na Fianna
JFC B preliminary quarter-final
St.Peters Dunboyne v Gaeil Colmcille.. Dunboyne got some hiding last week so have to go for Kells
JFC preliminary quarter-final
Summerhill v St.Peters...Tough one Dunboyne recovered well to beat Brigids as Summerhill went under to Bective.. wild card Summerhil
JFC quarter-final
Dunshaughlin v Skryne.. Think Dunshaughlin to book semi spot
glenny (Meath) - Posts: 1108 - 18/08/2016 11:47:58
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Replying To glenny: "Right lads we will include Junior C and D in Junior predictions from now on
JFC D semi-final
Wolfe Tones v Moynalty..... Moynalty
Ballinlough v Gaeil Colmcille.. God its all very local.. Ballinlough
JFC C quarter-final
Duleek/Bellewstown v Seneschalstown... Duleek should have too much for Yellow Fruze 3rds
JFC C semi-final
Na Fianna v St.Michaels... Na Fianna
JFC B preliminary quarter-final
St.Peters Dunboyne v Gaeil Colmcille.. Dunboyne got some hiding last week so have to go for Kells
JFC preliminary quarter-final
Summerhill v St.Peters...Tough one Dunboyne recovered well to beat Brigids as Summerhill went under to Bective.. wild card Summerhil
JFC quarter-final
Dunshaughlin v Skryne.. Think Dunshaughlin to book semi spot" Here goes -
JFC D semi-final
Wolfe Tones v Moynalty - Moynalty
Ballinlough v Gaeil Colmcille - Gaeil Colmcille
JFC C quarter-final
Duleek/Bellewstown v Seneschalstown - Duleek
JFC C semi-final
Na Fianna v St.Michaels - Na Fianna
JFC B preliminary quarter-final
St.Peters Dunboyne v Gaeil Colmcille - Gael Colmcille
JFC preliminary quarter-final
Summerhill v St.Peters - Summerhil
JFC quarter-final
Dunshaughlin v Skryne - Skyrne
RedMeath12 (Meath) - Posts: 117 - 18/08/2016 11:58:46
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JFC D semi-final
Wolfe Tones v Moynalty - Wolf Tones
Ballinlough v Gaeil Colmcille - Ballinlough
JFC C quarter-final
Duleek/Bellewstown v Seneschalstown... Duleek
JFC C semi-final
Na Fianna v St.Michaels - Na Fianna
JFC B preliminary quarter-final
St.Peters Dunboyne v Gaeil Colmcille - Gaeil Colmcille
JFC preliminary quarter-final
Summerhill v St.Peters Dunboyne - Summerhill
JFC quarter-final
Dunshaughlin v Skryne - Skyne
de_man (Meath) - Posts: 192 - 18/08/2016 13:59:20
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JFC D semi-final
Wolfe Tones v Moynalty - Moynalty
Ballinlough v Gaeil Colmcille - Ballinlough
JFC C quarter-final
Duleek/Bellewstown v Seneschalstown... Duleek
JFC C semi-final
Na Fianna v St.Michaels - Na Fianna
JFC B preliminary quarter-final
St.Peters Dunboyne v Gaeil Colmcille - Gaeil Colmcille
JFC preliminary quarter-final
Summerhill v St.Peters Dunboyne - Summerhill
JFC quarter-final
Dunshaughlin v Skryne - Dunshaughlin
rightthere (Meath) - Posts: 128 - 18/08/2016 17:47:44
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Replying To srgt_slaughter: "would the solution to be take all the 2nd teams and put them in junior b and mirror from junior b down like the 1st team championship
i.e junior b = senior, junior c = idinterimiate and let all 2nd teams and in some cases 3rd go up and down this like the 1st teams in senior intermediate and junior?
might take a b it of logistics with taking the teams out of junior b but surely that would be the best solution?" Why should a second team have to play in a worse grade of football that they do presently? Why should clubs be penalised for having strength in depth, and putting effort and resources into their second or third team? Why should a lad playing for a second team not be allowed play at they highest level that his talents warrant?
And what happens when a second team wins the Junior B? Why should their players not be rewarded for that by being allowed to go up a grade the following year?
I don't think it is a particularly good suggestion to be honest. The second teams are in Junior A because they are good enough to be there. If not, they would be relegated. The only problem with them being there is that they might field uneven teams throughout the championship. That could be lessened with a bit of thinking, and a bit of effort on behalf of the county board. But at the end of the day, the best team in the competition will still win it. And that will probably be a first team.
anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 18/08/2016 22:38:26
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Whats going on with the junior championship. Full joke Monday nights and Wednesday night wot that about.
Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 19/08/2016 07:04:22
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Replying To anfearbeag: "Why should a second team have to play in a worse grade of football that they do presently? Why should clubs be penalised for having strength in depth, and putting effort and resources into their second or third team? Why should a lad playing for a second team not be allowed play at they highest level that his talents warrant?
And what happens when a second team wins the Junior B? Why should their players not be rewarded for that by being allowed to go up a grade the following year?
I don't think it is a particularly good suggestion to be honest. The second teams are in Junior A because they are good enough to be there. If not, they would be relegated. The only problem with them being there is that they might field uneven teams throughout the championship. That could be lessened with a bit of thinking, and a bit of effort on behalf of the county board. But at the end of the day, the best team in the competition will still win it. And that will probably be a first team." im not saying its the worst grade but its hardly fair when a team like O'Mahonys for example can play 6 or 7 senior lads at the start of the champonship for the first 2-3 rounds and beat the 1st teams of some clubs then when they get to KO stage have a severely weakend team. seen this last year where effectively they had a 2nd senior team for the first 3 rounds and basically knockout st brigids and meath hill then come to the 1/4 final against curraha have a completely different team. i know its not the players or clubs fault but something will need to be done
srgt_slaughter (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 19/08/2016 07:41:58
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Replying To srgt_slaughter: "im not saying its the worst grade but its hardly fair when a team like O'Mahonys for example can play 6 or 7 senior lads at the start of the champonship for the first 2-3 rounds and beat the 1st teams of some clubs then when they get to KO stage have a severely weakend team. seen this last year where effectively they had a 2nd senior team for the first 3 rounds and basically knockout st brigids and meath hill then come to the 1/4 final against curraha have a completely different team. i know its not the players or clubs fault but something will need to be done" That's exactly it. It's the inconsistency of it all. Putting out strong teams in the first few rounds, ah sure we'll give these Senior lads some game time, then have much weaker teams the next few rounds. They don't care about Junior football. You say something has to be done about it - well, one thing we could start doing is getting teams to name their squads before C'ship starts, like we go in A+B League. Would help to a certain degree. Alongside putting second teams into their own group.
meathgaa91 (Meath) - Posts: 48 - 20/08/2016 13:29:44
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1/4 final pairings all sorted
Some good games to look forward too.
Bective v Clann na Gael ----- Bective at ease. Poor result by Clann na Gael in tailteann cup.
Carnaross v Senchelstown ---- Carnaross in a close game JL Magee will have too much scoring power.
Dunshaughlin v Skryne --- Dunsahughlin will win by 10 tonight and will be in the final
Dunsany v Summerhill --- Summerhill to beat Dunsany. Hurling getting in Dunsany's way.
Semi
Bective v Carnaross ---- Carnaross to go one better this year and make the final
Summerhill v Dunshaughlin --- Dunshaughlin in a close game. Summerhill will lose players to senior
Final
Carnaross v Dunshaughlin --- Dunshaughlin to have an intermediate team next year.
Footballonly (Meath) - Posts: 128 - 22/08/2016 17:56:52
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JFC Relegation Play Off
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Drumconrath, St Brigids and Clonard ------ Drumconrath to go down
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Bective v Clann na Gael ----- Bective by 5pts
Carnaross v Senchelstown ---- Carnaross by 2pts
Dunshaughlin v Skryne --- Dunsahughlin by 6pts
Dunsany v Summerhill --- Dunsany by 2pts - will be very close here, hard to call
Semi
Bective v Carnaross ---- Bective by 8pts. Think this will be easy for them
Dunsany v Dunshaughlin --- Haven't seen much of Dunshaughlin but Dunsany are in form. Dunsany by 3pts
Final
Bective v Dunsany --- Bective by 4ts and to do well in Intermediate next year.
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Replying To meathgaa91: "JFC Relegation Play Off
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Drumconrath, St Brigids and Clonard ------ Drumconrath to go down
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Bective v Clann na Gael ----- Bective by 5pts
Carnaross v Senchelstown ---- Carnaross by 2pts
Dunshaughlin v Skryne --- Dunsahughlin by 6pts
Dunsany v Summerhill --- Dunsany by 2pts - will be very close here, hard to call
Semi
Bective v Carnaross ---- Bective by 8pts. Think this will be easy for them
Dunsany v Dunshaughlin --- Haven't seen much of Dunshaughlin but Dunsany are in form. Dunsany by 3pts
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Bective v Dunsany --- Bective by 4ts and to do well in Intermediate next year." Carnaross will win by the biggest margin in the 1/4 finals
NaNa (Meath) - Posts: 49 - 22/08/2016 19:40:15
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Skryne defeated Dunshaughlin this evening by 1 point in their quarter final.
jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 22/08/2016 21:56:16
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Replying To ziggy32001: "FFS to be fair...
As far as the structure goes,the clubs should be told,well this is happening etc for the good of the competitions." Problem is the clubs have the final say
numberedjerseys (USA) - Posts: 348 - 22/08/2016 22:25:34
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Replying To glenny: "Omahonys 1974
Walterstown 1978
Gaeil Colmcille 1992
3 second teams in 42 years none in 24 years all could change this year but reckon bective and Dunsany clan na gael should be good enough not to allow that" I think Summerhill also won Junior Football Championship in 1975 (I think - may be a year out but I don't think so)
MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1063 - 22/08/2016 23:07:15
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