Mentioned this before in a previous thread but do the county board provide anything for teams representing meath in leinster competitions? Free use of facilities, coaches etc.?

begining (UK) - Posts: 300 - 09/11/2015 14:18:31    1805611

I honesty don't think there is a huge difference between the grades in Meath at the moment to be honest..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 09/11/2015 14:44:58    1805622

I was at the match yesterday and conditions were terrible, two matches in this time of year should not have been played in same venue. The Kildare ref was a home town ref and obviously had little experience at that level (NOM had 3 players yellow carded and one red carded to zero for home team). Meath teams are not going to get much from those quarters away from home.

Good comments made by Jimin10 and Jgc81 some of whom were obviously at the game and can see what goes on. It is in quite a contrast to the many negative 'armchair' posters on this tread who appear judging by their opinions to know very little about our games. Some of them (judging by their posts) are so deluded that they think that junior and intermediate football is of a higher standard than senior!. I am not sure what some folk have been watching over the last 12 months! but if I am correct one of NOM's younger forwards was the highest scorer and best forward in all of our county u21 matches this year. In the Kerry county final the score was 9 points apiece -enough said. I do agree that NOM should be doing better, however it is difficult to go away and win- yesterday the match could have gone either way and it is 'senior' football where there is usually only a point or two between the top teams.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 09/11/2015 14:49:55    1805625

Look the young cf is certainly worth his place on the team. But while killoe are a good side they are by no means a great one. Portlaoise will beat them, id rate them behind the aforementioned also ballybodens , vincents, st lomans etc, so really what we are looking at is the Meath champions are around 8/9 in Leinster. This is not slagging them off but its a poor reflection on the current state of club football within the county, now i feel next years champions will give a better account of themselves (im referring to rathoath) who i think will take all the beating. I never really had a problem with 5 lads except the fact they didn't do well last year.
Let them be senior intermediate or junior i want the best players on county team.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/11/2015 15:07:58    1805631

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I was at the match yesterday and conditions were terrible, two matches in this time of year should not have been played in same venue. The Kildare ref was a home town ref and obviously had little experience at that level (NOM had 3 players yellow carded and one red carded to zero for home team). Meath teams are not going to get much from those quarters away from home.

Good comments made by Jimin10 and Jgc81 some of whom were obviously at the game and can see what goes on. It is in quite a contrast to the many negative 'armchair' posters on this tread who appear judging by their opinions to know very little about our games. Some of them (judging by their posts) are so deluded that they think that junior and intermediate football is of a higher standard than senior!. I am not sure what some folk have been watching over the last 12 months! but if I am correct one of NOM's younger forwards was the highest scorer and best forward in all of our county u21 matches this year. In the Kerry county final the score was 9 points apiece -enough said. I do agree that NOM should be doing better, however it is difficult to go away and win- yesterday the match could have gone either way and it is 'senior' football where there is usually only a point or two between the top teams.

It's ok you can reference me properly if you like. Now to clarify a few things;

1) I did not state that Junior or Intermediate was better than Senior but highlighted that our representatives have performed much better at the provincial competitions at those levels than our senior representatives have, this is a fact. Having said that I genuinely do not think that the difference between Intermediate and Senior football in Meath is all that big.
2) I am in no way deluded and simply give my opinion as I see it, if claiming that one of the O'Mahonys players was our top scorer and best forward in all Meath's U21 matches is being claimed as some sort of victory then I would suggest you are deluded and not I.
3) I am not an "armchair" supporter or anything like it, despite living in Donegal and performing shift work I attended 5 out of 7 of Meath's League games in 2015, all Meath's championship matches and two O'Byrne cup matches to boot as well as several club matches throughout the year at senior and intermediate level so for a man living about 186km from where he was reared I don't think that's bad going.

I am not trying to have a pop at NOM at all but to have the most successful club in the county fail to make any sort of an impact at provincial level is worrying and I know that Navan players and supporters who are all honourable and decent people will be the most dissapointed at this result but as Meath supporters we all are, perhaps the current climate has turned us all a bit negative, is that surprising? I usually do my utmost to remain positive but of late it has been hard and we all yearn for something positive, some green shoots to grasp onto and we all hoped NOM would provide one of those green shoots and the fact that they didn't has dissapointed us all.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 09/11/2015 15:34:35    1805641

Richie

You are correct,there is not a big difference between Senior and Intermediate in recent years. Teams that come up generally do well and teams that go down struggle to get back up or even have struggled in Intermediate.Look at Oldcastle..Also Curraha will do well in Intermediate next year.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 09/11/2015 15:42:08    1805646

Disappointed that NOM couldn't get the job done yesterday. Wasn't at the game but as with everywhere else yesterday, conditions would have had a lot to do with the low scoring. Conditions can turn games into a bit of a lottery at this time of year. If memory serves correct, the last Meath club side to get to a provincial final was Skyrne, about 10yrs ago or so, correct me if I'm wrong. Think Dunshaughlin won Leinster a couple of years before that. Since then the record for Meath clubs in this competition is pretty abysmal. Is it a case of clubs/players not really being interested, or is the standard in Meath gone back to such an extent that it's hard to see a team getting to a final?

moylagh (Meath) - Posts: 484 - 09/11/2015 16:25:08    1805667

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Disappointed that NOM couldn't get the job done yesterday. Wasn't at the game but as with everywhere else yesterday, conditions would have had a lot to do with the low scoring. Conditions can turn games into a bit of a lottery at this time of year. If memory serves correct, the last Meath club side to get to a provincial final was Skyrne, about 10yrs ago or so, correct me if I'm wrong. Think Dunshaughlin won Leinster a couple of years before that. Since then the record for Meath clubs in this competition is pretty abysmal. Is it a case of clubs/players not really being interested, or is the standard in Meath gone back to such an extent that it's hard to see a team getting to a final?

Your 100% right Skryne got to the final in 2004 and lost out to Portlaoise, Dunshaughlin won in 2002 and before that Senchelstown were very unlucky not to win the title in 1994 as I recall

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 09/11/2015 16:45:16    1805680

I'd have to disagree Richieq that Seneschalstown were unlucky not to win in 1994. The memory isn't as good as it used to be, so remembering games played 20 years ago isn't easy. But my memory of that game is that they just came up against a better team on the day in Kilmacud Crokes, who fully deserved their victory. If memory serves me right, they had a huge man from Wexford (?Mick Dillon) at midfield who lorded the centre of the park at kick-outs. And they managed to snuff out the threat of Padraig Coyle who had provided most of Seneschalstown's scores earlier in the year.
I never could understand though why O'Mahony's could never get going in Leinster championship. Even in the 80's when they dominated Meath football, they never got even as far as a final. Whether it was a mental thing, or whether they just didn't take it seriously I don't know.

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 09/11/2015 19:51:58    1805749

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I'd have to disagree Richieq that Seneschalstown were unlucky not to win in 1994. The memory isn't as good as it used to be, so remembering games played 20 years ago isn't easy. But my memory of that game is that they just came up against a better team on the day in Kilmacud Crokes, who fully deserved their victory. If memory serves me right, they had a huge man from Wexford (?Mick Dillon) at midfield who lorded the centre of the park at kick-outs. And they managed to snuff out the threat of Padraig Coyle who had provided most of Seneschalstown's scores earlier in the year.
I never could understand though why O'Mahony's could never get going in Leinster championship. Even in the 80's when they dominated Meath football, they never got even as far as a final. Whether it was a mental thing, or whether they just didn't take it seriously I don't know.

You could be right was there only a point or twoin it though at the end?? Maybe I'm mixing my games up was if played in newbridge I had a recollection it was there but I could be easily mistaken.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 09/11/2015 20:37:55    1805762

Quote 'You are correct,there is not a big difference between Senior and Intermediate in recent years'- No team from intermediate ranks since the Tones in 2006 (having won Interm in 2006)has won the senior championship in the last 8 years and only two teams have won it in last 5 years so I am not sure how that statement could be correct. In fact only 11 teams have won the senior championship in the past 59 years and 4 of those were clubs that won it on a single occasion. In the same period over 44 teams have won Intermediate!

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 09/11/2015 20:55:14    1805767

Well anfearbeag

As you admit the memory is not what it used to be so its all a bit disingenuous to offer an opinion on a match that was played 20 years ago that clearly is only a distant and inaccurate memory. Just for recalibration the name of the midfielder that you are searching for is actually Mick O'Keeffe, the name that you have offered of Mick Dillon shows the effect of memory loss, the name of Mick Dillon refers to a stalwart of the Seneschalstown team from the 70s whose son, David, actually played on that day, thankfully the same Mick is still very active in the club and actually managed the Junior B team to Championship success a few weeks ago.

Royal_Rover (Meath) - Posts: 72 - 09/11/2015 20:57:33    1805768

Royal-Rover - I suggest that before you try and lecture me on here, you get your own facts in order.

Mick Dillon (from Wexford) was midfield for Kilmacud Crokes in 1994 and indeed captained the side to victory. As it happens, he wasn't the player I was thinking about - that was his midfield partner Mick Leahy. He wasn't as good a player as Dillon, but he was big and strong and bossed the aerial duels on the day.

Mick O'Keeffe on the other hand played corner forward for Kilmacud in the late 1990's and 2000's but was not on the team in 1994.

And please don't make an idiot of yourself by trying to tell me about Mickey Dillon from Seneschalstown. I've known the man for over thirty years. In fact, he and his wife attended my wedding many years ago.

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 10/11/2015 10:10:44    1805825

anfearbeag - you are correct and I remember Mick Dillon - very big good footballer and may I add very difficult to play against.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 10/11/2015 11:38:48    1805863

NOM have been the strongest team in Meath for last 10 years and yet again they fail to progress. Just another indication of how low the standard has fallen and that the problem is that the club's are not producing players at the standard required. Need major coaching injection @ underage level.

MeathGAAHead (Meath) - Posts: 87 - 10/11/2015 12:48:29    1805914

With NOM out Ratoath are our main chance for provincial (and maybe All-Ireland) glory. What do people make of their chances?

nmsmithy96 (Meath) - Posts: 108 - 10/11/2015 14:48:20    1805996

I think rathoath might win Leinster but id say marys will win all Ireland, also curraha could get to Leinster final.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/11/2015 15:09:31    1806005

Typical Meath, giving no respect to Longford teams. I've been on here a few times over the years reading comments on how Meath could lose to a Longford team. Over the last 15 years come championship time whether Minor or U-21 ( as we haven't met in senior in god knows all long) we've beaten Meath. Killoe beat NOM 2 years ago and in the early 00's Clonguish beat Blackhall Gaels. That Killoe team had a lot of those Minor and U-21 players who won a Leinster Minir and got to one or two Leinster U-21 finals. Now, Killoe aren't much liked in Longford for their big headed supporters but what they put out on the field is a good football team. So lads, get off your high horses and at least give Longford teams a bit of credit. Because at this stage with previous results it should be us that should be surprised if Meath beat us.

Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 1236 - 10/11/2015 16:57:11    1806069

Spinx, I totally agree, a lot of people on this seem to be totally delusional....

TheNotorious (USA) - Posts: 14 - 10/11/2015 18:01:02    1806101

Spinx

Starting off with "typical Meath" is a bit silly and vague, but that nonsense aside my disappointment isn't specifically with losing to the Longford champions (not sure why that should matter anyway), but rather our very poor record of late at both club and intercounty level. We haven't had a team in the Leinster senior club final since 2004.

In Meath we have 52 football clubs, comprising of over 110 teams altogether and a county population of 180,000+, so it's fair to say that we're not even nearly getting the best out of what we have and that's very frustrating. For a start our club championships badly need an overhaul, you can lose 3 games (maybe more, but unlikely) and still win our championships or lose 5 out of 5 and not get relegated, it's crazy and no wonder there's a serious lack of intensity in Meath football.

Ps, for the record I actually like Longford, I have some very good mates from there and I'd love to see Killoe doing well, you shouldn't be taking these comments personally Spinx.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 10/11/2015 18:15:40    1806106