He certainly hasn't rushed his announcement of selectors since he pobably knew that Sean and Trevor were quitting at least as far back as the days after Tyrone game.

I am disappointed but not surprised that he didnt take the meeting of the steering group with the delegates as an opportunity to announce the selectors.

Seems as if he is just ambling along. no sense of urgency at all.

oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 25/08/2015 14:55:11    1775966

He was in a serious position three years ago (and with his first choice selectors), yet we have regressed year on year. As of now, he is in a poorer position, despite CB approval. Looking for selectors and having lost lots of goodwill. The only thing serious is our current predicament and that his IC managerial tenure is in last chance saloon territory.

GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 25/08/2015 15:11:06    1775986

anfearbeag
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The first and most obvious answer is that that is what all players say when they are asked.

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Well i don't know about it been the obvious answer...because they all seem to be singing off the same hymn sheet on this one..even when Colm Coyle,EOB and Banty you will always hear the same end of year mutterings from players! Like even Jim Mcguinness came under attack from 1 or 2 players within his squad in the first year..i know Ziggy said "Also when asked by the media,what else are they going to say?" but i am not media nor do i have a direct line to MOD to share the latest of intrigues...meaning its not media or tweets i get my info from!

Its interesting i must say ..or maybe love is blind after all :/

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 25/08/2015 16:42:10    1776081

but i am not media nor do i have a direct line to MOD to share the latest of intrigues...meaning its not media or tweets i get my info from!

You seem to be vaguely hinting at something there longface, but I really couldn't be bothered trying to figure out what that is.
Why not come straight out and say what you mean, and drop the cryptic nonsense,

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 25/08/2015 19:47:16    1776215

The player's seem to be genuinely happy with MOD..I know everybody has there own theories on why that maybe..

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 25/08/2015 20:48:18    1776248

WhyTheLongFace

1776248 The player's seem to be genuinely happy with MOD..I know everybody has there own theories on why that maybe..

So, what's your point?

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 26/08/2015 08:12:05    1776298

That lad Tonny (on page 4) has it spot on.

Meath have no succession plan or structure in place to progress players and coaching staff from underage grades all the way through to Senior.
Look at Dublin - Gilroy, Gavin and Farrell (the next manager) all served with the minors and under 21's and knew the talent coming through. Dublin have won minors and U21's and those players could step straight into the Dublin set up as the knew the structures.
Look at Kerry - Fitzmaurice was a selector under Jack O'Connor and managed the minors and U21's before taking the senior job. Jack O'Connor is back with the minors and Darragh O'Se the U21's. Darragh will likely step up when Fitzmaurice steps aside.
These counties have identified the value of having succession playing and involving future managers as selectors before they get the top jobs.
Look at Donegal - McGuinness took the U21's and Seniors together, won and U21 all Ireland. I'm sure the two panels trained together so that players from U21 could come in and know the systems.

Meath need to start doing this too. Hopefully the "Steering Committee" might see these problems and do something about it. O'Rourke had a plan years back and was laughed out of it by the county board based on costings. How dumb it was on their part and its why I worry about this steering group and what impact they will have.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 26/08/2015 08:46:34    1776304

Brian

To be fair I am not sure Boylan,O'Rourke or McEntee would do this job if they were not listened too..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 26/08/2015 09:42:17    1776326

Didn't Colm Coyle manage the U21s and Senior side at the same time?

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 26/08/2015 09:44:18    1776330

There's certainly a case to be made for bringing managers through from minor and U21 up to senior, it's a model that does work well for other counties but there are many more things we need to get right as well.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 26/08/2015 10:33:12    1776357

That's ok if the managers prove to be up to the task. However, we havent been doing well at underage, probably not always due to management of individual teams but we have had some cases of underachievement based on talent available.

oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 26/08/2015 11:21:40    1776399

Do you know what really grinds my gears? jealous football analysts who were torn a new one years ago by Meath sticking their boot in when we are down. Looking at the RTE coverage was one of the most biased in some time v Westmeath. 'What has happened to Meath? their tradition is gone, their team is gone. Just look at the manager...lost...(unknown jibberish) he doesn't know what to do. Something special has happened in Croke Park today' Carr couldn't hide his delight. The fact of the matter is if we had the resources and the fitness of the bigger counties we would be at the very top because we have something they don't have that Anthony Moyles alluded to - Honesty and a no nonsense attitude. Lets put the moaning aside now and wipe the smile off Tom Carr, Martin Carney, Martin Mc Hugh, Kevin Mc Stay, Tony Davis and Pat Spillane's et al. faces and put Meath back on the map again.

Jimin10 (Meath) - Posts: 783 - 26/08/2015 12:10:23    1776434

anfearbeag
County: Meath
Posts: 682

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WhyTheLongFace

1776248 The player's seem to be genuinely happy with MOD..I know everybody has there own theories on why that maybe..

So, what's your point?

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Lord Savior Jaysus...i ask you at the start "What is your feelings on when the players say we need to keep the same manger"

You gave your answer and thanks...i gave my opinion on the matter also!

Was i meant to agree with you anfearbeag me goodman?

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 26/08/2015 13:46:32    1776541

To be honest with you longface, I didn't really see you give much of an opinion on anything. I have looked through the posts and can't really see what you are getting at at all. You say that the players seem genuinely happy with MOD, and sort of hint that you have an inside track on that. But that's about it. Do you think that is a good thing or a bad thing? Do you think that MOD is doing a decent job? Do you think he should have remained in place? Do you think it is likely that we will do any better in the next two years under MOD than we did in the past three years? What do you think will need to change if we are to do any better than we have been doing? Do we need to change anything at all?
Of course you don't have to agree with me or anyone else on here. But if you disagree, at least come out and say so, and it would benefit the discussion a bit if you would give your reasons why.

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 26/08/2015 14:00:32    1776551

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County: Meath
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Fair point anfearbeag..

Well it seem that everything MOD has done off the pitch with training,organisation and preparation has been top notch ...and yet on the pitch at game time he has not got that knock on effect or reap any rewards!

But my personal view on it without doing any kind off gymnastics with the English language or facts...give him another year that's my gut instinct!

anfearbeag my gut instinct could be that auld black pudding thats lodged there for the last month..now at the same time one could question are you sure its not lodged between the two ears :)

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 26/08/2015 16:57:35    1776705

Whythelongface

would that suggest in match time that MOD is not capable of reading the game in real time,perhaps panics,or does nothing.At times it appears he does the wrong things at the wrong time..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 26/08/2015 17:11:45    1776714

Whythelongface

On what basis are you saying that MOD's organisation has been top notch? I am not saying it is bad but I wouldn't be heaping the praise that you have. They say that the proof is in the pudding and our fitness levels could be better - surely indicative of preparation.

oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 26/08/2015 18:24:25    1776771

A few things here presented as facts which I don't think have been researched. Darragh O'Se is not the Kerry u21 manager and Jim McGuinness never won an u21 All-Ireland with Donegal and never managed both u21s and seniors at the same time. Pat Gilroy never managed the minors or u21s and Jim Gavin never managed the minors. Eamonn Fitzmaurice never managed the Kerry minors. Dessie Farrell's 3 years as u21 manager is up now so the players coming into him will be players he never worked with before. It's very questionable to say he will be the next Dublin senior manager. Jim McGuinness applied for the Donegal job several times before he got it and even said himself, the only reason he actually did get it was because there was no one else. So to be honest, if you actually examine the facts, it's a little bit different.

This idea of a succession plan only works well when an underage manager actually wins something. It's a bit like people on here and Mick O'Dowd. The plan was a 5 year term. After 3, everyone wanted him out because he won nothing. I can guarantee you nobody on this forum would support a minor manager getting an u21 job if he won nothing.

Obviously it makes perfect sense to promote a successful minor manager to u21 and a successful u21 manager to senior. But they have to be successful to justify promoting them.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 26/08/2015 18:30:08    1776773

ziggy32001
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Whythelongface

would that suggest in match time that MOD is not capable of reading the game in real time,perhaps panics,or does nothing.At times it appears he does the wrong things at the wrong time..


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Ziggy some people walk in the rain, others just get wet...ok we going to use a example here...Young Harry Rooney taken off at the Westmeath match..Fans interpretation of this would be bad decision flood gates opened game over! But in truth how i seen it was the young chap ran himself into the ground,now that leaves the question why was he not fit to last the full 70 mins by fans..he was replaced by another young lad who could not get up to the pace of the game..bit like John Mcdermott if i am not mistaken if memory serves me right replay with Dublin 1991(i am sure Former_Poster has that some were in his archive ) John Mcdermott goes on and 10mins later John Mcdermott comes off..just could not get to the pace off the game,but Sean had the luxury of replacing John..were as Mod had no such luck!

if you look at the Monaghan v Donegal match this year in the ulster final..Donegal had a chance to win that game they did not seize the chance only to kick 11 wides and let the energy moment slip...for a season team like donegal it was uncharacteristic,and yet when 130 odd years came running at us down the pitch in the shape of Westmeath they bloody kick everything over the bar for a team like westmeath it was uncharacteristic...When i sat in the stand and i seen things unfolding even with 8 points on the score board i new we were going to lose..that old gut instinct, you knew it to Ziggy everybody knew and sadly i feel the players knew it as well so a rot set in ! Bit like Colm Parkinson when he talked to Sean Boylan about the time they played Meath in the O'Byrne Cup ..laois were 10 points up at half time and Colm touched on it he new and felt in the second half Meath were going to come back at us..he was right Meath won..but it was his own head and thinking that defeated him! (for the younger reader Colm head did not eat him)

Now Ziggy thinking how in the name of Jaysus did Longface come up with all that and still not answer the bleeding bejaysus question..all mangers make mistakes and panic it how they learn from them that makes them better and the same for footballers... A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new!

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 26/08/2015 19:57:04    1776819

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Whythelongface

On what basis are you saying that MOD's organisation has been top notch? I am not saying it is bad but I wouldn't be heaping the praise that you have. They say that the proof is in the pudding and our fitness levels could be better - surely indicative of preparation.

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Well its up to good standard anyway...but a full time fitness and condition coach will help alot,look anything new and more will help Meath Gaa...the Fitness thing that surrounds this Meath team its a strange one alright..but you are correct the evidence is with you on this one my good friend..but from Mods end of things he is just not turning the hard work into results..

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 26/08/2015 20:44:43    1776838