Agreed men of 49. I think we are on the same wavelength that there are alternatives out there. Hopefully the county board and clubs will think this one through and try and find out what alternative managers would be available.

oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 29/07/2015 17:46:42    1760969

Look lets be honest if the clubs don't do what they should and mod remains , we are far more likely to get relegated than promoted.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/07/2015 17:48:38    1760971

Surely the clubs are fully aware of the consequences of giving Micko another term, at this stage its just to big a risk for Meath football At this stage any potential candidate's may be hesitant to put their hand up after CB giving its backing to MoD. Imagine there will be plenty of interest if post becomes available..

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2145 - 29/07/2015 19:16:41    1761009

seadog

exactly,nobody is going to declare their interest now,but they will if the job is available. The clubs won't be naive in thinking that nobody else wants the job..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 29/07/2015 19:47:12    1761030

Seadog i am living in Westmeath and i know of 2 people who would jump at the chance (both Meath men and have experience) but until as they put it the job is available they wont announce out of respect for cb, clubs and indeed mod. But they want it badly, anyone who thinks no one is interested are absolutely wrong, i think 5 at least would declare once position is available. Clubs should know this id say.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/07/2015 21:21:02    1761068

I just read part 2 of Anthony Moyles in Chronicle "The way it is". This was the classic cop out when he said "this is not the day for specifics" Instead he decides to attack the fans and their expectations. He did admit it would take a smarter man than himself to come up with some answers. I describe his article as rubbish,woffle. lacking in any attempt at overall analysis of the real problems. THE REAL PROBLEM IS NOT THE FANS " Fans have expectations yes,Those expectations are reasonable yes. I dont know what he hoped to achieve with this rubbish,but i was drawn to the title "The way it is". Instead we get just one small part about the fans.....nothing else.....Anthony if that is your best attempt at FULL analysis i think you should stick to the day job!!

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1224 - 30/07/2015 13:32:18    1761201

No bull this is a mentality that has creeped into Meath football over the years, blame the fans and say they have unrealistic expectations, that is total bs, our expectations this year was to hopefully get out of a division 2 that was weaker than any year, probably easier than div 3, the only stand out team was Galway and they were missing so many due to clubs etc. So we failed spectacularly in that and then management says they have no regrets??? How insulting is that to the fans?
Our next big expectations was to beat one of the lowest ranked teams in country who's best players were injured, if they had taken chances they would have beat us, oh and to beat a Westmeath team on a downward curve when we up by 10 point's, yeah very high over expectations!!!! My eye .
Problem is team not managed properly.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/07/2015 15:00:26    1761267

I fully agree with nobull the amount of waffle in his article was astonishing. The fans have nothing to do with the success of the team. Donal Keogan crying about how the fans always jump on their backs was embarrassing. A fan doesn't kick a ball over the bar. A fan doesn't treat the Meath jersey as an accolade while putting in 110 percent effort in every endeavour be it training or an important championship match. A fan doesn't show pride in the jersey and resolve to hold onto a 10 point lead that slowly melts away due to mental collapse. The fans were just as vocal as the Westmeath fans on that fateful day. To blame the fans on the lack of success is a cop out.

Jimin10 (Meath) - Posts: 783 - 30/07/2015 15:12:27    1761277

I fully agree with nobull the amount of waffle in his article was astonishing. The fans have nothing to do with the success of the team. Donal Keogan crying about how the fans always jump on their backs was embarrassing. A fan doesn't kick a ball over the bar. A fan doesn't treat the Meath jersey as an accolade while putting in 110 percent effort in every endeavour be it training or an important championship match. A fan doesn't show pride in the jersey and resolve to hold onto a 10 point lead that slowly melts away due to mental collapse. The fans were just as vocal as the Westmeath fans on that fateful day.

Jimin10 (Meath) - Posts: 783 - 30/07/2015 15:20:12    1761280

royaldunne Yes ,and to suggest this years expectations as you described them accurately are not realistic is total BS .To be honest i thought Anthony would say it as it is in the title of his article. I think it displays arrogance on his part to think fans cant see through the smokescreen.i have just deleted him from my possibles on the management team.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1224 - 30/07/2015 15:49:44    1761289

nobull

I am a fan of Anthony Moyles,but agree that his article was disappointing and said very little in truth..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 30/07/2015 16:06:24    1761295

Well Keoghan should be saying the collapse against Westmeath is not good enough etc,he never mentioned that once..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 30/07/2015 16:10:24    1761298

Agreed Rd and Nobull- a Nothing article by Moyles which ignores the elephant in the room. By his logic fans should not be concerned about a humiliating 16 point defeat by Dublin, then Armagh, and then the post League NO REGRETS comments and bs soundbites, and then this years Westmeath & Tyrone failures. It is implied that the Meath team could Not have been better prepared and managed in the last 3 years. The dogs in the street know this is false for many reasons which all go back to Mod being out of his depth in my opinion.
But NO Its the FANS FAULT according to this article that we are leaderless, not fit, weak minded, have few working tactics and the results are getting WORSE. Then the apologists and PR hacks start talking about CONTINUITY. The last thing we need right now is this type of bloody Continuity.
We need to change this cycle of defeat and set our team up competitively. If Pete Mcgrath and Cribben and many others can set up their teams to not be pushovers then so can we with the appropriate hard work, practice , attitude and the right leadership. Realistically, we are in such disarray now after 3 years that it allows many potential managers scope to take over the senior squad and still not do worse.
But NO its the FANS Fault...no specifics ... such bull. Nobody expects All Irelands but it would be nice not to be regetting unnecessary losses in games and then to cry about injuries (even Sean Boylan came out against hearing this excuse over and over). God help us and protect us from anymore Mr 'Je ne regrette rien'. Lets move on, Thank You, & Good luck, Next...

meath1967 (Meath) - Posts: 56 - 30/07/2015 16:28:41    1761311

Yes ZIGGY and Donal is captain. Have to admit finding the politics and bull s. hard to take.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1224 - 30/07/2015 16:38:46    1761317

Meath1967 , ziggy,nb and all others are absolutely correct. I am a huge fan of Donal as a player , but in my opinion his comments show why he makes a bad captain blaming fans for getting on their backs? And worst of all not knowing we had never lost to Westmeath, i think in that alone is enough for him to go back to been a top corner back in country but vacate the captains role.
Look the apologists seem to be hanging onto any positives i including cb in that as they don't want to have to admit they made a huge mistake and should never have appointed mod in first place. The one line that the cb and apologists go for is totally new men got rid of dead wood blah blah , but then the one they trying to apologize for comes.out and says it was LACK of experience that cost us against wm and it blows up their whole theory. Look mod is a gentleman and i am sure he wants to succeed so none of my comments are personal, and i think if he steps back and takes a look he will agree its time for someone new.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/07/2015 17:46:39    1761351

Well going by hs we are worse now than when banty left, we were ranked 14 on their rankings that time , now we at 16.
Mod has brought us to a new low. It is impossible to disagree with that , actually i think Tipp are ahead of us too. But that's another debate.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/07/2015 19:08:40    1761394

Yes the rankings dont look pretty..

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 30/07/2015 19:18:40    1761398

Moyles clearly does not want to upset anyone from the management to players in the squad,and if your are unwilling to say what you really think,then he should not have written the article.It is clear he will not go into it..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 30/07/2015 19:22:54    1761399

Ziggy I think his lack of forthrightness in his column may harm him when and if management position comes available.
Shows a lack of telling things as they are, i guess we lucky to find this out now.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/07/2015 19:30:42    1761403

Did this section of the article catch anybody else's eye?

"Regardless of your standing within a club we need to get out there and realise that we are all working towards a greater goal.
Who cares if I just managed an under 14 team to the Division 1 final, if I just played my strongest team all the way along and steamrolled everyone.
We should look to the manager who develops players both strong and not so strong with a view that as these kids develop, quite often the big 14-year-old may become the small 21-year old. What I am talking about may seem like a massive undertaking, but it is not."


I've been voicing this throughout my own club for my whole adult life and this is the first time I've seen or heard somebody else echo exactly what I think.

I once got the telling off of my life a few years back when I was managing our Clubs U16 and put on all the subs at half time (about 5/6 changes) we were winning at the time and ended up losing. I couldn't believe parents were actually telling me I was wrong to let a young lad have a run out in game of football! I haven't been a manager of a team since because it's clearly obvious that U16 titles are more important than developing players

Uncle_Fester (Meath) - Posts: 217 - 30/07/2015 20:00:44    1761409