royaldunne

Excellent post above royaldunne, I fully agree with you, I can only reiterate what you've just said, the excuses, the inability to play beyond 50mins, the lack of a clear gameplan over the last 3 years, the apparent lack of a plan B etc etc All these things are very disappointing after 3 years in the job and I can't see a logical reason to believe these things will change if he's kept on, again MOD's future will simply come down to either common sense or politics.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 10/08/2015 13:39:52    1767248

+1 Htaem. Tyrone would probably have got a goal from another attack the last day (if they didn't get the penalty/goal) if they really needed it. Yes the penalty left Meath chasing the game, but you always had the feeling like in 2013 that if Meath got close or level, Tyrone would get the next few scores and stay ahead. They have also improved greatly since that match, so anybody using it as an excuse to say we are much closer to say an All-Ireland semi-final standard is crazy.

I think tonight instead of a vote on MOD (given recent developments), the meeting should really discuss having all parties interested in the managers position (including MOD) submit their candidature within the next few weeks, before having a vote and making a final decision. That is the common sense thing to do, where they can make a decision based on reality not uncertainty.

GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 10/08/2015 13:41:36    1767251

Some Posters just releasing venom. Maybe someone close to them not picked on team.
Better to read over your script before hitting the post button.

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 518 - 10/08/2015 14:02:44    1767273

Kerry need two gos (and a bit of luck along the way) to beat Cork.
Kildare beat Cork comprehensively.
By logic Kerry vs. Kildare would be a close enough game, but no it was a massacre.

The result and winning/losing margin in the Tyrone vs. Meath match is irrelevant as a yardstick to where we are at against other teams nationwide e.g. Monaghan.

GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 10/08/2015 14:06:31    1767275

I put a post on here this morning,which obvisouly the moderator must have judged the content as not been appropiate, I respect that decision but it was a point of view not expressed already on here, I will not bother to repeat it now but will wait and see what happens tonight. In any case I would urge all delegates to represent their clubs wishes on the subject with no agenda other than the one of having the best opporntunity to have the very best person qualified available as the the next Meath senior County football manager. Personally I hope that after tonight the process will be opened up to the clubs to propose persons to be the next senior manager and I hope the method used in this case to reappoint Mick O' by the CB will be questioned as to its legality and measures put in place for people at the top of the CB not be allowed to act in such a dictatorial fashion in the future especially as at best they showed a complete lack of judgement. This sort of carry on is cringeworthy and is very embarrassing for me working on the ground in the club trying to create a positive image of the GAA and create the image that it is not a parish pump politics kind of set up. The dubs are even sorry for us as they know with this carry on by the Meath CB, it makes it all the more remote any sort of a decent challenge to them in Leinster. As someone deeply involved in club football and fanatical about Meath I hope the delegates have the courage tonight to do something positive for Meath football and in the process put the embaraasment of they themselves been responsible for sacking Eamon O'Brien after his 2 years when he took us to an all-ireland semi one year and leinster champions in another. If the delegates decide to back the CB executive decision it will mean by their action they sacked a guy doing a reasonable job but decide to keep a guy doing a horrendous job (after 3 years is making the same basic mistakes over and over again and some how expecting different results).

madmeath (Meath) - Posts: 50 - 10/08/2015 15:49:24    1767366

The clubs will decide tonight on the future or not of MOD, thats democracy which has been afforded to us by County Board. They as an executive decided to back MOD which is also democracy because we as delegates from our clubs have voted these people in there in the first place. It was a different executive that voted out Eamon O'Brien who I think was doing a good job at the time and should have been given more time. At least the clubs have been given the opportunity to do this in August which to be fair is unusual so thats a plus from CB. When we get our answer tonight lets get on with whatever has to be done as quickly as possible to ensure we have either a new Manager or allow MOD get on with the task. Looking at several matches over the weekend I think whoever is in charge will have their work cut out because there is not enough talent in Meath to reach All Ireland heights anytime soon. No vendetta against Ziggy but between himself and royalDunne they must be the most negative people on this forum. I hope both do some work with their own clubs because they seem to spend an unusual amount of time on this forum.

castleroyal (Meath) - Posts: 57 - 10/08/2015 16:23:39    1767401

First off castleroyal you are only i think the second person on here ever to call me negative, i am a extremely positive person regarding Meath football, as i am sure ziggy htaem or anyone else even those who never agree with me could testify too.
However i am also one of those that call a spade a spade, and when we are out of championship i feel is the time to speak of these things, mod has been a disaster this year and in fairness last year, i cannot abide the lame pathetic excuses that he has come out with and the tiny grains of something that he and now the players are using to justify any continuation, mod is a gentleman, he is just not cut out to be a county manager, you either have it or you haven't, now some say he staying and wanting to stay shows character i see it differently i see it as a inability to see your own shortcomings and believe no matter what you will get it right, every year since his appointment we have gone back steadily and to say otherwise is bs, that's not negative that's reality , and if i said different then id be a liar. I cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear, i don't do spin. I have no other interest other than football, i am useless at golf, i don't really like soccer, i find hurling boring and ill watch the odd Rugby game but again i have only attended one international in my lifetime, however i go to O'Byrne league and championship games , actually i miss very little over 40 odd years. I do coach underage but not within Meath , i have very little attachment to either my former clubs in Meath and both are well represented on county panel so i have no axe to grind on that either.
My only consideration is for Meath football and the place it is in at the mo, the lowest i can ever remember, and the pathetic unmeath like excuses and silly nonsense statements, i feel a no nonsense shoot from the hip management team is needed, we should not settle for moral victories against the likes of Roscommon Westmeath and Tyrone. We are not no matter who is in charge all ire contenders but we better than what mod has us at.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/08/2015 17:29:54    1767471

Htaem that's it the inability to recognize when you doing something wrong is so frustrating and to throw out any old excuses is cringworthy .
We cannot play at any intensity for anything over 50 mins, so really opposition knows keep us to within 6/7 points going into last 20 mins they have a great chance of winning. And i think we only county that can be said of, its a embarrassing state of affairs.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/08/2015 17:47:49    1767486

I just don't want the politics to come into it.
If we need to have a less lucrative sponsor then so be it, if they that fickle then we don't need them anyway.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/08/2015 17:51:42    1767490

So I guess everyone on this Forume wants a new manager to come in...and with the same message.."This will be a 3 year project!! Its going to take 3 years to turn things around here..Blah Blah!!"
Because if you get your wish and we get a new manager, thats the first thing you are going to hear!!

So let me ask what your expectations are here?
A new manager to win the All Ireland and beat dublin in a leinster straight away??? haha
Or a new Manager to come in with another "3 year grace period" and wait until then to see how we get on!!
Or what?????

MOD is under serious pressure now to perform. This is EXACTLY what type of manager we need now!
Maybe he will bring in a very experienced selector.....with those qualities that only come with age (Tyrone would be nowhere near an AI Semi final if they had a new manager)

We are all talking about bringing in all these other guys and to be honest, of all the names mentioned, have any of them won anything significant at the highest levels??? If they did MOD would not hav got the job in the first place!
And to be honest if you compared managerial CVs of all of them, MOD probably still has the best..no joking (2 Leinster Final appearences and whatever he won with club)!!
And lets be brutally honest here!! We are not exactly producing a conveyor belt of O'Shea's, O Donoghues, Coopers, Brogans etc.....

So unless you you are prepared to go another 3 years into the unknown, I would prefer to see what reaction MOD can give to this years dissappointment as opposed to starting for square 1 again and be another "3 years in transition"

JonnieG (Meath) - Posts: 218 - 10/08/2015 18:23:03    1767511

RD our current sponsor was willing/offered to sponsor the senior team before MOD came on the IC scene. The old county board went with others instead at the time. I know that for certain. However, I'm not privy to any financial information, the T&Cs or insider knowledge regarding the current deal, but it makes far more sense for our current sponsor that the team go far in the championship for maximum coverage on TV and to a national audience. They should have sponsored Tyrone this season! So having the best team manager is in their best interests too, not just those of us who are only concerned with relative footballing success. So I just cannot accept that MOD and a certain sponsor come as a package of sorts, although some might like to spin it as that. Maybe since MOD works in banking, there is other things he brings to the table, possibly involving Dunganny and elsewhere. I don't know but yes I agree with you ... it should have no bearing of who is senior team manager. Everyone should do their very best for Meath in whatever way they can, and not with preconditions or the you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours mentality. We're a one team county (not a two team soccer city) so everybody should be united for the common/greater good. We win, lose and draw together.

GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 10/08/2015 18:37:58    1767526

JonnieG ... MOD was under serious pressure to perform in 2015 (the final year of his 3-year mandate and after the 2014 season) and how did that turn out? What makes you think 2016 will be any better?

Any new manager shouldn't talk the talk about three or five year plans, but walk the walk with incremental improvements year on year from the outset. MOD's 2015 season will mean they are starting from a low base, so it shouldn't be that hard to improve on.

GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 10/08/2015 18:50:01    1767535

Glas i agree. But it is just what u heard re a connection, to me it would make lot more sense for any sponsor to have their brand on display at businesses end of championship.
Now to answer the other posters questions, not one of us is expecting a new manager to win all ire or beat Dublin, we are looking for mediocre improvement, been able to play for 70 mins would be a start, play players in right position, set us up hard to beat, make us tough to break down, be competitive against dubs should we meet. Start again against Westmeath with our record and make sure the players know how important our record against them was, and that the pinnacle of the team (the capt) actually knew the had never beaten us.
Fight hard for promotion as we need to be in div 1 and we have failed abysmally in a lot easier div 2 than next year, reach by hook or by crook the last 8, that would satisfy me for year one of a new management team. Non of that will happen if we continue with the current failed system, in actual fact all we doing is probably relegated from league and depending on draw out in quarters of Leinster and tame exit to ulster opposition in all ire. We will continue to deteriorate under mod, every year since his appointment we have gradually got worse, if he stays next year will be the same.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/08/2015 19:22:15    1767567

We have seen mediocre teams punch well above their weight in the past with a good manager on their side and the importance of a good manager especially in this tactical age cannot be emphasized enough. This transition nonsense has done us no good. Even back in 2009/2010 at our peak we were still considered 'in transition'. It's about time we done something to establish ourselves and not only compete with the best but stay there.

Jimin10 (Meath) - Posts: 783 - 10/08/2015 19:27:55    1767575

Well said jimin. I feel a new manager will not come out with the nonsense of needing 3 years and then saying actually its 5 years . After tonight he will probably say he needs 10 years. Its all deflection away from his own lack of any success, a new management team should be given two years, with a clear proposal to have us in division one by end of that term and last 8 regularly.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/08/2015 20:04:22    1767602

Micko is back!

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1790 - 10/08/2015 20:35:44    1767635

Mick O'Dowd ratified as manager following a brief discussion with some opposition regarding the process that the Co Board followed

On meath chronicle sports twitter page

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 10/08/2015 20:35:46    1767636

Yeah , another two years of abject failure.
We need now to start the process of organising a proper management team, we will be relegated under mod of that there is little doubt, so our next manager will have to start off from div 3. The clubs bottled it unfortunately and the cb should hang their heads in shame.
Ahh well at least we are getting used to been laughed at, so we wont be too bad.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/08/2015 20:43:29    1767645

The farce is now complete and we can erase any illusions we previously had that this county board is different from the others which let us down in the past. As for the delegates, honestly they're a breed of animal I just don't understand, so I can't comment because I really don't know what to say about them.

Anyway, look I'd like to wish Mick all the best over the next 2 years, personally I have little faith in him but I genuinely want him to succeed. I have no ulterior motive, I just desperately want to see Meath performing to a high standard again and I have nothing to gain from MOD not doing well over the next 2 seasons, so genuinely all the best.

Ps, the current state of Meath football isn't Mick O'Dowd's fault, we all know that, but the way the new county board have conducted themselves over the last few years is very disheartening. So on the off chance that anybody on the board is reading this I'd just like to say, shame on you and cop the f**k on.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 10/08/2015 21:16:41    1767669

Well said Htaem, i cant add anything other than what you have said 100% correct, i wish mick well and i hope he is successful, again i have no agendas, only what's best for Meath football. I hope he can turn things around. As for the county board? They can go and play with themselves.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/08/2015 21:24:45    1767680