Nibull id pretty much agree with that assessment

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/03/2015 15:13:09    1706453

This game is going to really tell us where we are at the present and moving forward.
The team selected will above all tell us where-Players are in mickos mind
B-Fitness of certain players
c-Position of players
d-Subs who come on
e-Players who get no game-time
f-Attidude of team from throw in
g-Must win at all costs-Treat it like championship
A very interesting game with a national audience makes it even more important
I truly believe if we play right team and make right changes at proper times we can deliver a good performance and a must win.
Dublin were under severe pressure going to mayo but with a few changes and proper attidude they delivered why cant we now
Roll on Saturday
Love to see orourke and bray in 2 man full forward line with newman ,biggy and Wallace playing off them

tampa (Meath) - Posts: 54 - 25/03/2015 17:14:23    1706522

When has SOR had a good game for Meath?

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 25/03/2015 18:34:02    1706556

bert

I honestly think the constant injuries have stunted SOR,I don't really see him as a serious option now,nothing against the man as he has had a terrible time with injuries.

I have a feeling we will win this game actually.I know we would lose to Galway and the Rossies,but don't have that feeling for this game.Would be great though to see Keoghan back in the corner,with Kev at 6.

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 25/03/2015 20:09:24    1706591

Ziggy - agree, injuries have hampered him and surprised to see him back in the fold to be honest.I think we should win the next one.

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 25/03/2015 20:54:38    1706617

KNEW we would lose to Galway and Roscommon is what I meant. :)

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 25/03/2015 21:25:09    1706628

meath haven't been able to sustain a good level of play for 70 mins in any of their matches this year. they do have ability but playing in stops and starts wont suffice at this level. we have no business in division 1. anyone who believes we do is dillusional

royalperro (Meath) - Posts: 21 - 26/03/2015 10:58:04    1706685

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meath haven't been able to sustain a good level of play for 70 mins in any of their matches this year. they do have ability but playing in stops and starts wont suffice at this level. we have no business in division 1. anyone who believes we do is dillusional


Fully agree with ye royal perro....
better off in division 2 for now,aint near that level yet,but going the right way

the seal (Meath) - Posts: 583 - 26/03/2015 11:39:10    1706698

Cian Mackey of Cavan claims they have promotion in their sights despite being level with us on points, 9 points down on score difference and having played and lost to Down and drew with Roscommon. Surely in that case we should be aiming at top of the table!

Jimin10 (Meath) - Posts: 783 - 26/03/2015 12:24:34    1706716

@ roaylpareo and theseal.
Ok i have asked this question a few times and no one who advocates staying in div 2 has answered it, id appreciate if either of you did.
Lets assume a few things as it stands at the moment
1, Down and Roscommon get promoted
2, Kildare and Westmeath get relegated, from division 1 we have Derry and one of say Tyrone or Monaghan coming down,
3, Armagh and Fermanagh get promoted.
Div 2 looks like this next year
Meath
Cavan
Galway
Tyrone /Monaghan
Laois
Armagh
Fermanagh
Derry
We haven't played Cavan yet, Laois we couldn't beat in navan, Galway beat us well, we wouldn't have a hope against Tyrone /Monaghan (recent league records prove this) Armagh beat us on way to relegation last year and in championship, Fermanagh we had hard time beating two years ago, Derry were always a tough team to beat especially in Derry.
So how does that instill confidence of promotion next year? Have we shown so much that we know we can beat that opposition?
Ill continue, i know barring maybe rossies and perhaps down we would struggle against most other teams in div 1, but remember we should have beaten Donegal last year , a run out against dubs would only do us good, as most teams in div 1 try things out and experiment so if we go all out we may even stay up, whereas in div 2 every team is trying to get promoted, it can be harder .
Give me getting relegated from div 1 than from div 2 another div 3 campaign? No thanks.
I look forward to your response, as i just cant fathom how not getting promotion in this weak div 2 is better than what will face us next year.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/03/2015 13:16:55    1706731

RD. Do you not think if we lose 5 or 6 games in the league next year that it will damage confidence and lead to a poor championship?

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 26/03/2015 15:04:33    1706769

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RD. Do you not think if we lose 5 or 6 games in the league next year that it will damage confidence and lead to a poor championship? exactly!!

RD is deluded if he thinks we can match teams in div1,we haven't a strong enough panel of players for div1
at the minute,its as simple as that and getting our a**** handed to us on a plate every week would be no good for team confidence...etc..
Time you realized were not the team of old .....

the seal (Meath) - Posts: 583 - 26/03/2015 15:22:26    1706774

RD, your logic is basically that you want promotion NOW but only for the sake of it. Yes this was the easiest year for a long long time to achieve that, but alas it is looking like they missed the boat again.

If they cannot get promoted out of this years NFL2 (the weakest in a long long time) they do not belong in NFL1, plain and simple. If next years D2 is going to be much tougher and they struggle to stay there (that is their level at most), why do you think they are worthy of D1 status. And even if they fluked their way to division one this year like Westmeath two years ago, would you prefer seven defeats (moral victories/learning-demoralising experiences) in D1 to two or three praiseworthy victories in D2?

We would all like to be in the top flight division in order to really improve (and added spice), but you get there on merit, not wishful thinking or past glories. There is no point been there by accident either. You should be there on the basis that it is sustainable, otherwise you will not improve. We need regular division one football to really improve (to the standard we would all like), but that would not be achieved by a fleeting visit fo D1. Westmeath didn't improve as a result of their short visit there, why would we be any different.

Anyway a NFL2 season playing tougher Northern teams (blanket defenses) are the kind of challenges they need to get the measure of before moving to the next step and wanting to compete as equals with Dublin, Kerry and Mayo etc.

GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 26/03/2015 15:30:21    1706779

Barney , firstly how many teams in the scenario that i pointed out would we beat? Laois maybe Cavan, that's still 5 at best 4 beatings

Theseal. Rather than a personal attack, why don't you answer my questions, could we beat Tyrone , Monaghan, Armagh Galway etc?? No matter what division we are in, fair enough if you saying we will get relegated next year, ill accept that is your position. I just cant understand that getting as you put it our ass handed to us in div 2. Is any better than it happening in div 1, going into a championship, just want to get it clear that you feel we are better been relegated from div 2. Than division 1.
Now try to answer that, no personal stuff. Lets have a open honest debate, if you make a claim back it up.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/03/2015 15:41:39    1706785

Glas yes that's exactly what um saying. Look most people think we may beat Down this weekend, we should have beat Roscommon, one if not both them will go up, how could playing dubs or mayo in division one in navan not bring on the team? Or better still playing dubs in croke park not help further down the line?
I have one philosophy, you should always be ready and striving for top football regardless of results. You and i both know if the teams i mentioned are in div 2 next year we are in all likelihood heading for division 3 . How is that better , a year in div 1, would prepare us better for a sustained push the following year , sort of been there done that, no matter when we go up it will be difficult. But yeah ill take getting relegated from div 1 all week and twice on a Sunday than getting relegated from div 2.
Now i agree that we wont get promotion this year. But we shouldn't be slapping ourselves on the backs saying isn't that great, cause what will come next year will destroy us.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/03/2015 16:00:13    1706788

RD, what are you smoking? - you would prefer us to get beaten up to seven times in D1 because you think we are likely to get beaten maybe up to five times in D2 and possibly get relegated to D3. What business would we have in D1 then if we weren't good enough for D2.

Most people here would prefer we got to D1 when we are well and truly ready for it - able to sustain D1 status in the medium to longer term. But and this is it, most would be more confident than you are that we would be able to hold our own in next year's tougher D2 and not even contemplate relegation. We can give any of the teams likely to be in D2 a game at PT (with a better than 50/50 chance of victory) and more than a sporting chance of victory away from home with the right attitude and a healthy squad to choose from. This years or past games were once offs (relatively small margins so far! not like Monaghan games of old) where the same game next year may give an entirely different outcome.

GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 26/03/2015 16:05:20    1706791

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Q1: how could playing dubs or mayo in division one in navan not bring on the team? Or better still playing dubs in croke park not help further down the line?

Q2: i know if the teams i mentioned are in div 2 next year we are in all likelihood heading for division 3 . How is that better , a year in div 1, would prepare us better for a sustained push the following year , sort of been there done that, no matter when we go up it will be difficult. But yeah ill take getting relegated from div 1 all week and twice on a Sunday than getting relegated from div 2.

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A1: We played the Dubs in Navan this year and at Croke Park for the last three LF's - It hasn't helped our league campaigns or back door games. The gap is widening.

A2: Kildare and Westmeath both relegated from D1 (last year) and the most likely ones to get relegated from D2 (this year).

GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 26/03/2015 16:17:00    1706796

This thread has turned into an RD lovefest for some reason. Back to this weekend's game. Down have notched up between 10 and 19 scores per game in the 5 games so far. They've also hit the net in all their games, something we struggle to do. We've gotten either 13 or 14 scores per game so far, which barring a flood of goals will not be enough to win this one. Whether the team/squad is good enough for Div 1 at the moment is a pointless argument. If we're not good enough to get out of Div 2 should be answer enough.

moylagh (Meath) - Posts: 484 - 26/03/2015 16:52:45    1706815

Ahh thanks moylagh. I didn't know you cared :).
But yeah there be enough time to reflect on this league when its over.
But no one has still given a reasonable answer to my questions. But sure we will leave it at that.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/03/2015 17:08:18    1706824

All of our 5 points so far have been against teams from Leinster.. Is this telling?

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 26/03/2015 17:46:53    1706845